The Red Rifle Thread: Dalton to Big D

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Re: Dalton, is there a good fit for him next year

Postby Paul717 » Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:39 am

Here's an interesting article that this thread reminded me of: https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/10/3 ... itmus-test

In the right system, with the right pieces around him; he has shown he can succeed. Then again, how many teams with all those things in place need a QB, typically?
"Marathon Square" - 16 team full PPR league with 24 player roster. Keep 16 per year indefinitely, draft 8. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 Team DST
QB: Deshaun Watson, Tyrod Taylor
RB: Aaron Jones, Jalen Richard, DeAndre Washington, Peyton Barber, Trayveon Williams, Darrel Williams, Dare Ogunbowale, J.D. McKissic
WR: Calvin Ridley, A.J. Brown, Jamison Crowder, Emmanuel Sanders, James Washington, Zach Pascal, DaeSean Hamilton, Jakobi Meyers, Kendrick Bourne, Paul Richardson, Geronimo Allison, Antonio Brown :(
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Re: Dalton, is there a good fit for him next year

Postby Patsfan86 » Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:43 am

The truth is he needs to do what Tannehill did. Sign up to be a back up behind a shaky Qb with a tenuous grip on the job then hope that QB plays bad so you get your shot again. Tampa Bay for instance.

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Re: Dalton, is there a good fit for him next year

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:52 pm

Broncos aren't a good fit but I wouldn't out it last Elway
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - 14 Keepers
QB: Mahomes, Baker, D. Jones, Minshew, Luck
RB: Mostert, Sony, Penny, D. Freeman, Snell, J. Jackson, Hyde, Gaskin
WR: Tyreek, DJM, Julio, Hollywood, Cooks, Preston, Parris, C. Davis, MVS
TE: Andrews, Henry, Fant, Irv
2020: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02, 4.08

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - 20 Keepers
QB: Dak, Ryan, Minshew, Cam
RB: CMC, Jacobs, Hunt, Penny, J. Jackson
WR: DJM, Chark, Hardman, Mike Will, Diontae, Parris, C. Davis, Lazard
TE: Andrews, Henry, Gesicki
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Re: Dalton, is there a good fit for him next year

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:59 pm

I think the Alouettes could use him.
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Re: Dalton, is there a good fit for him next year

Postby MrUbuto » Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:38 pm

bjd5211 wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:00 am
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=193106&p=1764346#p1764346

We barely need 1 Andy Dalton thread, we certainly don't need 2.
The dalton line is 1.5 dalton threads

Guess he is elite.
QB - DWatson(HOU)Winston(TB)Finely(DEN)
RB - TGurley(LAR)DJohnson(ARI)NChubb(CLE)DHenry(TEN)
WR - ODB(NYG)AJ Green(CIN)ACooper (DAL)CDavis(TEN)
TE - HHenry(SD)DGoeddart(PHI)
K - Zurlien(LAR)Badgley(LAC)
Def - JAGS DET
[rookie] NHarry(NE)MBrown(BAL)Haskins(WAS)

1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2 - 2020's
Rosters must always be 3qbs 4wrs 4rbs 2tes 2kickers 2dst and protected players dont take up a roster spot, but are only for rookie/2nd year players that were drafted

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Re: Dalton, is there a good fit for him next year

Postby ArrylT » Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:24 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:59 pm
I think the Alouettes could use him.
As an Alouettes fan I think Vernon Adams is actually doing alright - when he is on the field.

https://montrealgazette.com/sports/foot ... n-adams-jr
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Re: Andy Dalton

Postby Kaz » Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:11 pm

I don't think Dalton is as bad as everyone is making him out to be. He's basically playing behind a high school offensive line. I could see the Bears making some sense for him.
QB: Brees, Ryan
RB: McCoy, McKinnon, R.Jones, B.Love, D.Ogunbowale, D.Hillard, McKinnon
WR: D.Adams, T.Hill, A.Rob, Edelman, Lockett, Anderson, Kirk, P.Campbell, J.Watson, D.Willis
TE: Kittle, Olsen, M.Andrews
DL: Jordan, Ngakoue, Tuitt, F.Cox, C.Harris, Banogu
LB: Mosley, D.Jones, Warner, Treviathan, R. Evans, R.McMillan, K.White
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Re: Andy Dalton

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:29 pm

Kaz wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:11 pm
I don't think Dalton is as bad as everyone is making him out to be. He's basically playing behind a high school offensive line. I could see the Bears making some sense for him.
He's not bad necessarily... But useless in 1QB for sure. Doesn't instill much confidence for me to go get him in SF/2QB either
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - 14 Keepers
QB: Mahomes, Baker, D. Jones, Minshew, Luck
RB: Mostert, Sony, Penny, D. Freeman, Snell, J. Jackson, Hyde, Gaskin
WR: Tyreek, DJM, Julio, Hollywood, Cooks, Preston, Parris, C. Davis, MVS
TE: Andrews, Henry, Fant, Irv
2020: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02, 4.08

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - 20 Keepers
QB: Dak, Ryan, Minshew, Cam
RB: CMC, Jacobs, Hunt, Penny, J. Jackson
WR: DJM, Chark, Hardman, Mike Will, Diontae, Parris, C. Davis, Lazard
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Re: Andy Dalton

Postby Cameron Giles » Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:36 pm

Kaz wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:11 pm
I don't think Dalton is as bad as everyone is making him out to be. He's basically playing behind a high school offensive line. I could see the Bears making some sense for him.
Andy Dalton is like working a dead-end 9-5 job:

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You're probably making enough money to take care of yourself, but you're not going anywhere or doing anything interesting. You're just stuck...in the middle.

No QB personifies league average more than Dalton:

62.2 Career Completion
7.1 yards/att
88.0 Career passer rating
Almost 200 career TD's
112 career interceptions

He's clearly a starting QB, you may even make the playoffs with him...but he's just there. You'll always feel like you can do better, but you'll always have the tendency to settle too.

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Re: Andy Dalton

Postby Phaded » Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:25 pm

Bengals fans continue to love him, his charity has been blowing up with $14 donations.

I could see him ending up as a starter next year. He's not a gamebreaker but there are several current starters he is better than.

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Re: Andy Dalton

Postby ArrylT » Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:28 pm

Not to mention such a classic nickname!
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Re: Andy Dalton

Postby MrUbuto » Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:13 am

Kaz wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:11 pm
I don't think Dalton is as bad as everyone is making him out to be. He's basically playing behind a high school offensive line. I could see the Bears making some sense for him.
Exactly.

He just got dropped in my main league.

I'll be dropping rosen for him next week
QB - DWatson(HOU)Winston(TB)Finely(DEN)
RB - TGurley(LAR)DJohnson(ARI)NChubb(CLE)DHenry(TEN)
WR - ODB(NYG)AJ Green(CIN)ACooper (DAL)CDavis(TEN)
TE - HHenry(SD)DGoeddart(PHI)
K - Zurlien(LAR)Badgley(LAC)
Def - JAGS DET
[rookie] NHarry(NE)MBrown(BAL)Haskins(WAS)

1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2 - 2020's
Rosters must always be 3qbs 4wrs 4rbs 2tes 2kickers 2dst and protected players dont take up a roster spot, but are only for rookie/2nd year players that were drafted

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Re: Andy Dalton

Postby Cult of Dionysus » Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:28 am

He's a serviceable NFL starter as well as in Superflex. But if an NFL organization WANTS him, they are a defeatist organization who essentially accepts mediocrity.

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Re: Andy Dalton

Postby jenkins.math » Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:36 am

Cult of Dionysus wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:28 am
He's a serviceable NFL starter as well as in Superflex. But if an NFL organization WANTS him, they are a defeatist organization who essentially accepts mediocrity.
If a team wants him as a long term solution then they are accepting mediocrity. But he could win a Super Bowl on a team like the Bears who are in win now mode. Sign Dalton and shore up that offensive line and the Bears are infinitely better.

Dalton is like the bulk of NFL QBs in that he can't raise his team and teammates to new heights, but he is a more than capable player at this level.
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Re: Andy Dalton

Postby ArrylT » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:02 am

jenkins.math wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:36 am
Cult of Dionysus wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:28 am
He's a serviceable NFL starter as well as in Superflex. But if an NFL organization WANTS him, they are a defeatist organization who essentially accepts mediocrity.
If a team wants him as a long term solution then they are accepting mediocrity. But he could win a Super Bowl on a team like the Bears who are in win now mode. Sign Dalton and shore up that offensive line and the Bears are infinitely better.

Dalton is like the bulk of NFL QBs in that he can't raise his team and teammates to new heights, but he is a more than capable player at this level.
I concur with this - and add in that QBs tend to be in their prime in their 30s in the new NFL - not saying Dalton is going to be better but rather he's at an age where his physical, mental & emotional intelligence are at a peak. He'll learn playbooks faster than rookies, read defences easier & have the experience to not make (as many) dumb plays. So for a team that feels they just need a 'game manager' to help them across the finish line - sort of like what Jacksonville wanted from Bortles in 2018 & Foles in 2019 - Dalton may be a reasonable option.

At worst he plays like Flacco, and that helps you get the early pick in the next draft. ;)
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