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Andy Dalton value

Postby Jcedwards » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:32 am

What would you pay for him right now?

Guy put him on the trading block and is asking for a 3rd or a 2020 2nd. With the uncertainty of Winston, my backup QB right now is Osweiler (yuck). Granted I have Mahomes, so I only need a QB for week 12.

I was already contemplating taking a QB in the upcoming draft for depth, but would it be better to go ahead and grab Dalton instead?
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Bernard / Justice Hill / Chris Thompson / Collins
WR- M Thomas / OBJ / Cooper / Lockett/ Kirk / Fitzgerald / Perriman
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Njoku
D/ST- Bears / Pats
K- Butker

IR- Herndon

Taxi- Minshew / Pollard / Sutton / Diontae Johnson / Boykin / Dawson Knox

Picks- 2020: 1st, 3rd, 3rd
2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd

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Re: Andy Dalton value

Postby Jigga94 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:46 am

That's not a bad pick to deal for him, but I wouldnt worry much about one week. I'd still be fine with rolling out Winston and Brock occasionally
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - 14 Keepers
QB: Mahomes, Baker, D. Jones, Minshew, Luck
RB: Sony, D. Freeman, Penny, Mostert, Snell, J. Jackson, Hyde, Gaskin
WR: Tyreek, Julio, DJM, Hollywood, Cooks, C. Davis, Preston, Parris, MVS
TE: Andrews, Henry, Fant, Irv
2020: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02, 4.08

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - 20 Keepers
QB: Dak, Ryan, Foles, Minshew, Cam
RB: CMC, Jacobs, Hunt, Penny, J. Samuels, J. Jackson, Gaskin
WR: DJM, Mike Will, Hollywood, Deebo, Diontae, C. Davis, Lazard, Parris, MVS, AB
TE: Andrews, Henry, Gesicki, Jonnu, Thomas
2020: 1.09, 2.02, 2.05
2021: 1, 1, 2, 3

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Re: Andy Dalton value

Postby Hofbrau » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:52 am

Nah, Id just grab a guy off the WW for week 12. 49ers qb maybe?

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Re: Andy Dalton value

Postby Jcedwards » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:16 am

Jigga94 wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:46 am
That's not a bad pick to deal for him, but I wouldnt worry much about one week. I'd still be fine with rolling out Winston and Brock occasionally
Well it would be for 1 week for this year, but he would be a viable backup going into next year too. Winston probably will have a starting on again next year (might not be with the Bucs), but who knows with him. At least Dalton is a decent backup. Brock may not even have the starting job come week 12.
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Bernard / Justice Hill / Chris Thompson / Collins
WR- M Thomas / OBJ / Cooper / Lockett/ Kirk / Fitzgerald / Perriman
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Njoku
D/ST- Bears / Pats
K- Butker

IR- Herndon

Taxi- Minshew / Pollard / Sutton / Diontae Johnson / Boykin / Dawson Knox

Picks- 2020: 1st, 3rd, 3rd
2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd

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Re: Andy Dalton value

Postby Jcedwards » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:18 am

Hofbrau wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:52 am
Nah, Id just grab a guy off the WW for week 12. 49ers qb maybe?
I actually tried grabbing him off the wire this last week. Guy with the #1 pick actually nabbed him. I picked up Osweiler off of FA after waivers. The only 1 on the wire that is even a starter for his team is McCown and he probably won’t be starting week 12.
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Bernard / Justice Hill / Chris Thompson / Collins
WR- M Thomas / OBJ / Cooper / Lockett/ Kirk / Fitzgerald / Perriman
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Njoku
D/ST- Bears / Pats
K- Butker

IR- Herndon

Taxi- Minshew / Pollard / Sutton / Diontae Johnson / Boykin / Dawson Knox

Picks- 2020: 1st, 3rd, 3rd
2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd

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Re: Andy Dalton value

Postby ArrylT » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:36 am

You'd most likely have to spend - league dependant - a mid-late 2nd to early 3rd on a QB in your rookie draft - and many seem to think that the 2019 QB class is weak - so a 3rd for Dalton seems like a solid move to shore of a position of 'need'. Dalton is one of those QBs who will never be elite but can have QB1 production from time to time (3-4 QB1 games this year so far). The only issue from a short term standpoint is the loss of AJ Green - but longer term Dalton as your QB2 is a solid choice imo.
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Re: Andy Dalton value

Postby Jcedwards » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:42 am

ArrylT wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:36 am
You'd most likely have to spend - league dependant - a mid-late 2nd to early 3rd on a QB in your rookie draft - and many seem to think that the 2019 QB class is weak - so a 3rd for Dalton seems like a solid move to shore of a position of 'need'. Dalton is one of those QBs who will never be elite but can have QB1 production from time to time (3-4 QB1 games this year so far). The only issue from a short term standpoint is the loss of AJ Green - but longer term Dalton as your QB2 is a solid choice imo.
Well the problem is that I do not have a 2019 3rd right now, so I’d have to send a 2020 2nd (I have 2). One of them is my own pick and if my roster stays intact, I think it will be late anyway (number 1 in the league right now, and most of my roster should stay with me next year, so barring injury, I should be late), so im willing to part with that one.

And since I do not have a 2019 3rd, I would be spending a 1st (1.12 right now), or a 2nd (2.02 right now) on a QB in the draft.
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Bernard / Justice Hill / Chris Thompson / Collins
WR- M Thomas / OBJ / Cooper / Lockett/ Kirk / Fitzgerald / Perriman
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Njoku
D/ST- Bears / Pats
K- Butker

IR- Herndon

Taxi- Minshew / Pollard / Sutton / Diontae Johnson / Boykin / Dawson Knox

Picks- 2020: 1st, 3rd, 3rd
2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd

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Re: Andy Dalton value

Postby Jcedwards » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:46 am

So I’m in discussions with the Dalton owner. I offered my 2020 2nd (currently 2.12). I’m not sure he is even worth a late 2nd, but I’m willing to do that. My team should be good for the long haul, so that pick should stay as late. I have another 2nd round pick (currently 2.1), and he is wanting that pick. I know that things change within a year, so my pick could end up being mid and so could that other pick, but would you trade an early 2020 2nd right now for Dalton?

For the record, he is going off Dalton having a fantastic year. He also traded Brees last year for a mid 2nd, so of course Brees is better than Dalton. And he also traded a 2019 3rd and Keenum for Dalton before the year. Am I nuts for thinking that is too much for Dalton?
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Bernard / Justice Hill / Chris Thompson / Collins
WR- M Thomas / OBJ / Cooper / Lockett/ Kirk / Fitzgerald / Perriman
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Njoku
D/ST- Bears / Pats
K- Butker

IR- Herndon

Taxi- Minshew / Pollard / Sutton / Diontae Johnson / Boykin / Dawson Knox

Picks- 2020: 1st, 3rd, 3rd
2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd

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Re: Andy Dalton value

Postby PTW32 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:50 pm

I think an early 2nd is too much.

I traded dalton for a 2019 3rd (mid) and Teddy Bridgewater.
12 Team PPR
QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 2Flex

QB: Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers, Jameis Winston
RB: Dalvin Cook, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Royce Freeman, TJ Yeldon, Darwin Thompson, Alexander Mattison, Traveon Williams, Miles Gaskin, Bryce Love,
WR: Odell Beckham Jr., Chris Godwin, Kenny Golladay, Larry Fitzgerald, Jamison Crowder, Keke Coutee, Miles Boykin, Equanimeous St. Brown, Josh Doctson, Antonio Callaway
TE: Travis Kelce, George Kittle, O.J. Howard, Kahale Warring

2020 Picks: none


10 Team PPR
QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex, 1K
QB: Baker Mayfeild, Drew Lock, Big Ben, Tom Brady
RB: Raheem Mostert, Gio Bernard, Frank Gore, Peyton Barber, Justin Jackson
WR: Stefan Diggs, Allen Robinson, Cortland Sutton, DK Metcalf, TreQuan Smith, Diontae Johnson, Dante Pettis, Andy Isabella, Albert Wilson, Adam Humphries
TE: Mark Andrews, David Njoku, Vance McDonald, Irv Smith Jr, Hayden Hurst, Delanie Walker

2020 Picks: 1.01,1.02,1.03,1.04, 2.07, 2.08, 2.09

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Re: Andy Dalton value

Postby Jcedwards » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:12 pm

Dynasty n00b wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:50 pm
I think an early 2nd is too much.

I traded dalton for a 2019 3rd (mid) and Teddy Bridgewater.
This guy traded Case Keenum and a 2019 3rd for Dalton. What has he done this year to make his value skyrocket to an early 2020 2nd (at the moment of course)?
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Bernard / Justice Hill / Chris Thompson / Collins
WR- M Thomas / OBJ / Cooper / Lockett/ Kirk / Fitzgerald / Perriman
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Njoku
D/ST- Bears / Pats
K- Butker

IR- Herndon

Taxi- Minshew / Pollard / Sutton / Diontae Johnson / Boykin / Dawson Knox

Picks- 2020: 1st, 3rd, 3rd
2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd

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Re: Andy Dalton value

Postby honcho55 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:56 pm

Man, maybe it’s me but it seems QBs get way too devalued in this forum.

Dalton is QB15 at a quick glance I’m the one league I got him in. So, very firmly a weak but not awful starter or great backup. I don’t see how that station doesn’t hold more value in people’s eyes. Particularly so in special cases: SF slots, teams that are stacked everywhere else, QBBC, etc.

So for OPs scenario: I see a 3rd as a steal. Bye week filler for one, but also I’d Mahomes goes down that team is hurting, could very easily be the difference between competing and not.
my main league, half PPR, all TDs 6, -3 for INT
14 team
start 1QB, 1RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT. Roster 15, 2 IR. keep 10 *transitioning to more keepers

QB: Wilson, Carr
RB: E Elliot, D Henry, M Ingram, M Boone, P Laird
WR. O. Beckham, J Smith-Schuster, M Thomas, AJ Brown, C Beasley, B Perriman
TE. T Kelce, D Goedert

2020 picks: 1.02, 1.03, 2.02, 3rd, 4th
2021: two 1sts, 2, two 3s, 4
2022: three 1sts, 2nd, 3rd, 5th

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Re: Andy Dalton value

Postby Jcedwards » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:37 pm

honcho55 wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:56 pm
Man, maybe it’s me but it seems QBs get way too devalued in this forum.

Dalton is QB15 at a quick glance I’m the one league I got him in. So, very firmly a weak but not awful starter or great backup. I don’t see how that station doesn’t hold more value in people’s eyes. Particularly so in special cases: SF slots, teams that are stacked everywhere else, QBBC, etc.

So for OPs scenario: I see a 3rd as a steal. Bye week filler for one, but also I’d Mahomes goes down that team is hurting, could very easily be the difference between competing and not.
This is a 1 QB league, so there are no special cases going on. I agree though that if Mahomes goes down I could be in big trouble. Fingers crossed it doesn’t happen. Even though he said that he wants a 3rd round pick or 2020 2nd, he wouldn’t take that unless it was a early 2020. I have no 3rd this year, but I have 2020 2nds. One is 2.01 right now, while the other is 2.12. Obviously a lot can change within a year, but is Dalton really worth the early 2020 2nd right now?
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Bernard / Justice Hill / Chris Thompson / Collins
WR- M Thomas / OBJ / Cooper / Lockett/ Kirk / Fitzgerald / Perriman
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Njoku
D/ST- Bears / Pats
K- Butker

IR- Herndon

Taxi- Minshew / Pollard / Sutton / Diontae Johnson / Boykin / Dawson Knox

Picks- 2020: 1st, 3rd, 3rd
2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd

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Andy Dalton

Postby Big Al » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:38 am

NFL.com's Tom Pelissero reports the Bengals will bench Andy Dalton following their Week 9 bye.
A move several years in the making, we are still surprised the arch-conservative Bengals are making it. The Bengals will turn to fourth-round rookie Ryan Finley following their Week 9 bye. He'll be taking on the Ravens. There was no longer any point in leaving 32-year-old Dalton under center for an 0-8 team. Missing his No. 1 receiver and playing behind a bombed-out offensive line, Dalton had struggled to do anything positive this season. After a mini career peak in 2015 that ended with a finger injury, Dalton has found himself in a mostly-endless valley. The most ordinary starter in the NFL has looked more and more like a backup. Nevertheless, quarterback-desperate teams are sure to phone before Tuesday's trade deadline, but moving Dalton would not be the Bengals' style.

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter
Oct 29, 2019, 1:03 PM ET

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Re: Andy Dalton

Postby Dibbles » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:55 am

Does anyone honestly think Finley profiles as anything more than a career backup? Dink and dunker with middling arm strength is all I know, would be interested if anyone else sees something more?

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Re: Andy Dalton

Postby notweswelker » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:10 am

Dibbles wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:55 am
Does anyone honestly think Finley profiles as anything more than a career backup? Dink and dunker with middling arm strength is all I know, would be interested if anyone else sees something more?
A huge arm isn't necessary to succeed...That being said I think Ryan Finley is most likely not the long term solution there.
Still he has some value in SF leagues or deep leagues as he will probably start the rest of the season.
Seeing the Bengals record and the QBs coming out this year, I can pretty confidently bet they will be drafting one who will be given every chance to start.
Finley would have to light the world on fire this season to even have a shot. It's borderline impossible, as watching the Bengals Dalton had no chance to succeed behind that line. Could see Dalton traded to Chicago or maybe Denver or to the Steelers if they weren't rivals.


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