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Re: Mahomes Value in 1 QB League
Wouldn't even be a question, except that he got hurt and hasn't been quite as bananas as last year - absolutely worth those guys, yes.
But some people devalue QB more for a bunch of reasons, etc. etc. - which while I can see that take, it's not one I agree with is all.
To each their own, it's FF after all, so valuing guys differently for a host or good, bad, and bizarre reasons is part of the fun!
But some people devalue QB more for a bunch of reasons, etc. etc. - which while I can see that take, it's not one I agree with is all.
To each their own, it's FF after all, so valuing guys differently for a host or good, bad, and bizarre reasons is part of the fun!
35 Team Dyn PPR, 3 x Copy SF start 2TE Super Prem (TE 2 PPR, 8pt TD), 6 pt/non-TE TD, 1pt/20 yds pass (300 +3pt), 1pt/10 yds rush/rec (100 +3pt)
Start 12: 1QB 1SFLX 2RB 4WR 2TE 2FLX | 30 Active Roster, unlim Taxi, 3 IR/Out (+) | est. '21 | playoffs '21, '22
QB - J Allen, T Lawrence ...
RB - A Ekeler, S Barkley, J Cook, I Pacheco ...
WR - AJ Brown, C Ridley, G Pickens, C Sutton ...
TE - D Njoku, D Knox ...
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RB - A Ekeler, S Barkley, J Cook, I Pacheco ...
WR - AJ Brown, C Ridley, G Pickens, C Sutton ...
TE - D Njoku, D Knox ...
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Re: Mahomes Value in 1 QB League
Seeing what Wilson, Watson, and Lamar do people still feel Mahomes is a rare player? I think he had a historic year last year, but I don't see a player more valuable than the other top tier options going forward.
Re: Mahomes Value in 1 QB League
I'd consider dealing anyone except maybe the top five at RB & WR for Mahomes if my team is in a rebuild. I like the idea of having QB stability for the next decade, and likely elite production for most of those seasons.
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Re: Mahomes Value in 1 QB League
The question is, is it only Mahomes you would do that for? Or would you do relatively similar deals for Watson, Lamar, and even Russ who is still fairly young?
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Re: Mahomes Value in 1 QB League
Yesterday I faced a team with Russ in a 1 QB league with 6 points per TD pass. I still wouldn't trade a top 5 RB or WR for him or any of the top guys.
10 Team .5 PPR 1 QB League
QB: Goff, Brady, Herbert, Tannehill
RB: CEH, JT, Akers, Dobbins, Mixon
WR: Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Lamb, Chark, Claypool, Pittman, Diontae, Anderson
TE: Andrews, Goedert
Picks:
2021: 4 1sts, 1 2nd
2022: 1 1st, 2 2nds
QB: Goff, Brady, Herbert, Tannehill
RB: CEH, JT, Akers, Dobbins, Mixon
WR: Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Lamb, Chark, Claypool, Pittman, Diontae, Anderson
TE: Andrews, Goedert
Picks:
2021: 4 1sts, 1 2nd
2022: 1 1st, 2 2nds
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Re: Mahomes Value in 1 QB League
I had an offer of 1.08 in a 10 teamer this past off season with Wentz & Baker also on my roster. I didn't even think twice before hitting decline. To me he's worth an early first in a 10 team league. I doubt I'll ever get that offered to me so he'll prolly be on my roster for the length of his career.
10 tm ppr 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 Flex, TE, K, TDEF (Yr 6)
QB - Ryan, Wentz
RB - Gurley, A Jones, Cohen, Kerryon, Dam Williams, Duke, I Smith, Armstead, T Carson
WR - AJG, Watkins, ARob, A. Cooper, K Allen, M Williams, Godwin, Callaway, JJAW
TE - Gesicki, I Smith, Herndon, Eifert, Sternberger, Dissly
10 tm TE prem 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, K, 2 DB, 2 DL, 2 LB (Yr 5)
QB - Mahomes, Mayfield, Wentz,
RB - Zeke, Chubb, Kerryon, Duke, Edmonds, B Hill
WR - Nuk, AJG, ARob, JJS, Samuel, MVS, T Smith, D Hamilton, Gallup, K Johnson
TE - Njoku, Eifert, Herndon, I Smith, I Thomas, Moreau
DL - Watt, K Clark, Q Williams
LB - D Jones, D Bush
DB - K Neal, Bell
DLF Early Birds - 16 tm SF (1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex, 1 SF
QB - A Rodgers, Darnold, Rosen, M Rudolph, Luck
RB - Damian Williams, J Howard, Duke, AP, Gore
WR - Julio, Golladay, Kirk, Stills, Manny Sanders, N Harry
TE - Jarwin, Gesicki, Boyle, Sprinkle
QB - Ryan, Wentz
RB - Gurley, A Jones, Cohen, Kerryon, Dam Williams, Duke, I Smith, Armstead, T Carson
WR - AJG, Watkins, ARob, A. Cooper, K Allen, M Williams, Godwin, Callaway, JJAW
TE - Gesicki, I Smith, Herndon, Eifert, Sternberger, Dissly
10 tm TE prem 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, K, 2 DB, 2 DL, 2 LB (Yr 5)
QB - Mahomes, Mayfield, Wentz,
RB - Zeke, Chubb, Kerryon, Duke, Edmonds, B Hill
WR - Nuk, AJG, ARob, JJS, Samuel, MVS, T Smith, D Hamilton, Gallup, K Johnson
TE - Njoku, Eifert, Herndon, I Smith, I Thomas, Moreau
DL - Watt, K Clark, Q Williams
LB - D Jones, D Bush
DB - K Neal, Bell
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QB - A Rodgers, Darnold, Rosen, M Rudolph, Luck
RB - Damian Williams, J Howard, Duke, AP, Gore
WR - Julio, Golladay, Kirk, Stills, Manny Sanders, N Harry
TE - Jarwin, Gesicki, Boyle, Sprinkle
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Re: Mahomes Value in 1 QB League
I do. If you're looking simply at points-per-game, then other quarterbacks -- like Wilson, Watson, Jackson, and maybe others -- will approach or even surpass Mahomes in a given year. I'm looking at more than just PPG, though: I'm looking at how the QB gets those points.
Mahomes' points come almost exclusively from his arm. Watson's and Jackson's come in large part from their legs. I will always, always bet on the guy who can produce QB1 numbers with his arm alone. Far lesser risk to injury in the short- and long-term and far greater likelihood of a sustained career. There are simply too many examples of QBs depending on their legs for fantasy points whose careers have been shortened if not derailed by injuries.
In comparing Mahomes to Wilson, though Wilson should still have many good years left, the age discrepancy can't be dismissed.
Now, if you want to trade Mahomes for one of those three QBs plus something else of need / value, then I could sign off on that. But, independently, Mahomes remains far more valuable than any of the other three quarterbacks listed -- and than any other quarterback in the NFL.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball
QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th
12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball
QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186
IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): --
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball
QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th
12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball
QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186
IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): --
Re: Mahomes Value in 1 QB League
I'd want an early first or two mid firsts, maybe a bit more to move Mahomes.
But no way am I moving a top 5 RB/WR for him
But no way am I moving a top 5 RB/WR for him
Re: Mahomes Value in 1 QB League
I'd probably do the same for Watson, though I value Mahomes more. Not so much for Lamar as I don't think he'll survive long term running this much. Not for Wilson, as he is so up & down on an annual basis.
I value the stud QBs more than most as I hate 1) wasting multiple roster spaces playing matchups and 2) hate wasting draft picks trying to get a good starter.
In years past, I've rode Peyton Manning, Brees, and Tom Brady for many consecutive seasons and acquired other QBs just to sell off. I can focus my energies on the more lucrative trading positions of RB & WR when I don't have to worry about QB production.
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Re: Mahomes Value in 1 QB League
I think one can look at Mahomes as a rare talent and still not pay top 5 WR/RB prices for him. I'm all for paying to get stud QBs even in 1QB leagues and would value Mahomes as an early/mid 1st in 2020. But there's no way I think he's worth an early/mid startup value. Even if there's a significant gap between him and the #2 QB, I'm not sure how much of an advantage that gives you in a 1QB league compared to the stud WRs and RBs (and having to start multiple players at those position).
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Re: Mahomes Value in 1 QB League
Update: Guy just offered me Watson for Mixon, and 2 firsts right now which are 1.01, and 1.02. Easy decline for me and I really need a QB under 40
10 Team .5 PPR 1 QB League
QB: Goff, Brady, Herbert, Tannehill
RB: CEH, JT, Akers, Dobbins, Mixon
WR: Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Lamb, Chark, Claypool, Pittman, Diontae, Anderson
TE: Andrews, Goedert
Picks:
2021: 4 1sts, 1 2nd
2022: 1 1st, 2 2nds
QB: Goff, Brady, Herbert, Tannehill
RB: CEH, JT, Akers, Dobbins, Mixon
WR: Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Lamb, Chark, Claypool, Pittman, Diontae, Anderson
TE: Andrews, Goedert
Picks:
2021: 4 1sts, 1 2nd
2022: 1 1st, 2 2nds
Re: Mahomes Value in 1 QB League
I think you should go back and take a look at the past years and then reevaluate your comment on Wilson.Pac_Eddy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:07 pmI'd probably do the same for Watson, though I value Mahomes more. Not so much for Lamar as I don't think he'll survive long term running this much. Not for Wilson, as he is so up & down on an annual basis.
I value the stud QBs more than most as I hate 1) wasting multiple roster spaces playing matchups and 2) hate wasting draft picks trying to get a good starter.
In years past, I've rode Peyton Manning, Brees, and Tom Brady for many consecutive seasons and acquired other QBs just to sell off. I can focus my energies on the more lucrative trading positions of RB & WR when I don't have to worry about QB production.
Re: Mahomes Value in 1 QB League
In my 4pt/pass TD leagues, last year he was #9. 2017 he was #1. 2016 he was #10. 2015 he was #3. He's elite, but up & down. I see Mahomes as consistently being top five.thebeast wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:55 pmI think you should go back and take a look at the past years and then reevaluate your comment on Wilson.Pac_Eddy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:07 pmI'd probably do the same for Watson, though I value Mahomes more. Not so much for Lamar as I don't think he'll survive long term running this much. Not for Wilson, as he is so up & down on an annual basis.
I value the stud QBs more than most as I hate 1) wasting multiple roster spaces playing matchups and 2) hate wasting draft picks trying to get a good starter.
In years past, I've rode Peyton Manning, Brees, and Tom Brady for many consecutive seasons and acquired other QBs just to sell off. I can focus my energies on the more lucrative trading positions of RB & WR when I don't have to worry about QB production.
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Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL and for Dynasty
Pains me to say it as a Raiders fan, but this guy is the QB1 in real life and Dynasty. 24-0 and he's already got them back in the game. There is nobody better.
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Re: Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL and for Dynasty
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