What does your league do to help out the weaker teams

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What does your league do to help out the weaker teams

Postby Wizard » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:53 pm

I'm assuming most leagues do a reverse order rookie draft to help the weaker teams get first shot at the incoming studs but what if that's not enough. I look at my league and I see 3 or 4 teams that are in such bad shape it would take multiple years of hitting on studs in 1st and 2nd rounds to get back into it. We all know the odds of hitting studs in both rounds is pretty slim to none. I'm concerned that some owners might just bail since it seems hopeless. Does anyone have any suggestions? I was thinking at least to hold the rookie draft very near the start of the season so they can see what rookies are producing in preseason games and who it getting talked up the most. It might increase their odds of picking up the right player but at the same time I don't want to punish the better teams who probably put in more homework trying to build up their teams. Any ideas are appreciated.
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Re: What does your league do to help out the weaker teams

Postby Paul717 » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:16 pm

In our 16 team league, the 8 teams who do NOT make the playoffs are entered in a drawing for draft position the following year. Worst team gets the most "lottery balls" in drawing for the 1st pick, etc. Later we implemented a tweak: Team with worst record shall pick no later than 3rd, and team with 2nd worst record shall pick no later than 5th. We also do not do a snake draft. So the team which picks at 1.01 also picks at 2.01, etc. Finally, we hold our draft in late August, preferably after 3 preseason games have been played, but always at least 2 preseason games played. This is more a function of most of the league also being in a Baseball league together, and interest in a draft in say May would be limited. Agreed, that all can still take time for a rebuilding team. Turnover is very low in our league though, most of the owners have been in it 15 years plus, and I think only 2 are less than 5 years.
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Re: What does your league do to help out the weaker teams

Postby bjd5211 » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:37 pm

Nothing outside of the standard worst teams draft higher, owners learn or move on. Leagues don't fold because of one or two bad teams, you can always find someone to fill vacancies if you really want to. I doubt any of those teams are truly that bad that they are years away from relevancy, it just takes a good and involved owner. I took over a team prior to the 2017 rookie draft that had no picks, and Andy Dalton (1QB league) and Pierre Garcon as my best two players on a roster of mostly retired and out of the league guys. I have no idea how the team was allowed to get in that state, but it didn't cause the league to fold. Now I have a roster of
QB: Lamar, Baker, Allen
RB: Barkley, Jacobs, Kerryon, Guice
WR: Chark, Gallup, Harry, MVS, Preston
TE: Henry, Fant, Goedert

I started 3-0 and have succumbed a bit to injuries, but still competitive and a good shot at the playoffs and I believe a legit contender next year. So I turned that absolute garbage team into a very quality one in just 2 years.

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Re: What does your league do to help out the weaker teams

Postby Under The Bridge » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:25 pm

Wizard wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:53 pm
I'm assuming most leagues do a reverse order rookie draft to help the weaker teams get first shot at the incoming studs but what if that's not enough. I look at my league and I see 3 or 4 teams that are in such bad shape it would take multiple years of hitting on studs in 1st and 2nd rounds to get back into it. We all know the odds of hitting studs in both rounds is pretty slim to none. I'm concerned that some owners might just bail since it seems hopeless. Does anyone have any suggestions? I was thinking at least to hold the rookie draft very near the start of the season so they can see what rookies are producing in preseason games and who it getting talked up the most. It might increase their odds of picking up the right player but at the same time I don't want to punish the better teams who probably put in more homework trying to build up their teams. Any ideas are appreciated.
Those teams could still trade away their high picks to a good team in what is perceived as a "bad" trade. And then you could incentivize blatant tanking. If you have express, no-tanking rules, then that's good, but most leagues don't have trade reviews, or at least that's what I have gathered. Personally, I kinda like them. Sometimes a guy could make a bad trade like their first round draft pick for Tyrell Williams and CJ Anderson. That's a real deal I had on the table for the 2017 draft, but I knew not to take it, and I had actually asked the other owner to up the ante by making it Demariyus Thomas and Carlos Hyde. He didn't want to do that, so I took Run CMC, and I'm glad I did, because this year I'd be terrible with Demariyus and Hyde (PPR league).

Dynasty is just cyclical like that, so the draft is one thing, but maybe a trade review system would be nice. Other than that, you could consider giving the bad teams compensatory picks or extra FABB for being so bad, but ionno how to make that work without irking other teams. B/c why should they get high draft picks, extra FABB, AND additional draft picks just for being bad. The draft should be good enough. But if the FABB is a small amount, and the compensatory pick is like a 4th round selection, then I might be OK with it.

Maybe you can have them pick up a player or two for free at the end of the season from the current waiver pool. They tend to be scrubs, but in IDP leagues, you can sometimes find decent starters. And sometimes you can take a flier a guy who's currently on a real team's practice squad and/or went undrafted in the previous rookie draft.

Another idea is to just give them some additional tools to help them make better decisions. Trade calculators are a start, but sites like PlayerProfiler and other resources that help you gauge how good a draft prospect is, relative to someone else helps. Heck, PFF grades/rankings can be helpful too. But I do understand why you may not want to go this route. Some people have told me that "they can't give away all their secrets." I don't think that's unethical, but I'm also not a fan of that type of behavior.

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Re: What does your league do to help out the weaker teams

Postby bjd5211 » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:27 pm

No a "trade review system" has no place in any league.

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Re: What does your league do to help out the weaker teams

Postby M-Dub » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:27 pm

My league does a “toilet bowl” tournament for the non-playoff teams with the winner getting the 1.13 rookie pick. We do it elimination/survivor style, with the lowest scoring team getting eliminated each week, but you could also just set it up as a standard bracketed tourney. Maybe give the two worst teams a first round bye.

Also, just be willing to answer their questions and offer advice. Steer them towards sites like this and any dynasty podcasts you find helpful.
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Re: What does your league do to help out the weaker teams

Postby fruity pebbles » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:42 pm

We do comp picks for the teams who don’t make the playoffs. 16 team league. Worst four teams get the first four picks in the first then the the order goes as normal from worst to best. So the worst team has pick 1 and 5. Next four teams get the first four picks in the second. Has helped a lot in getting noncompetitive teams back up to speed quickly and has helped recruit new talent.

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Re: What does your league do to help out the weaker teams

Postby dlf_mikeh » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:43 am

Obviously the draft.

I run a couple leagues with contracts attached to players. One with a salary, one without. It makes things even over the years. Teams that had a roster with Bell, Zeke, DJ, Fournette, Kelce, and Michael Thomas had to eventually release all these players back into the player pool.

I did this because I've been in 12 or 14 team leagues where you have maybe 1 or 2 teams with ALL the top talent. It makes filling in the weaker teams very tough, and sometimes the leagues dissolved because teams couldn't be filled.

Then I have another league that has 12 keepers year to year. This thins out deep rosters.
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Re: What does your league do to help out the weaker teams

Postby brutuswins » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:01 pm

I don't know about most but I love rebuilding. I am in 3 dynasties and one is a full rebuild (more than 200 possible points less than the next team)

That league determines draft order for the non-playoff teams but POTENTIAL POINTS which prevents an obvious tank, and helps the obvious worst team.

I am a commissioner of two leagues that we just do the typical rookie draft, nothing special.
I don't like the compensatory picks because it just rewards the BEST non-playoff team (by winning the tournament or being healthy at the right time).
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RB: Mark Ingram, Devonte Freeman, Miles Sanders, Jamaal Williams, Jaylen Samuels, Ryquell Armstead, Ty Johnson, Mark Walton
WR: Michael Thomas, Amari Cooper, Tre’quan Smith, Michael Gallup, DJ Chark, Zach Pascal, Darius Slayton, Antonio Callaway
TE: Evan Engram[/b], Greg Olsen, Jack Doyle
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TS: Tony Pollard, Josh Oliver
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RB: Christian McCaffery, Melvin Gordon, Damien Williams, Devonta Freeman, Ito Smith, TJ Yeldon, Mike Boone, Brian Hill
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Re: What does your league do to help out the weaker teams

Postby sugbear65 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:26 pm

Nothing. If a team owner is going to bail when it comes time for a rebuild, then they don’t belong in dynasty anyway. Educate or replace weak owners, but nobody should be given any advantages or special rules regardless of how good or bad their team is.

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Re: What does your league do to help out the weaker teams

Postby murphysxm » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:29 pm

sugbear65 wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:26 pm
Nothing. If a team owner is going to bail when it comes time for a rebuild, then they don’t belong in dynasty anyway. Educate or replace weak owners, but nobody should be given any advantages or special rules regardless of how good or bad their team is.
Spot on

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Re: What does your league do to help out the weaker teams

Postby MrUbuto » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:26 pm

Constant mockery
QB - DWatson(HOU)Winston(TB)Finely(DEN)
RB - TGurley(LAR)DJohnson(ARI)NChubb(CLE)DHenry(TEN)
WR - ODB(NYG)AJ Green(CIN)ACooper (DAL)CDavis(TEN)
TE - HHenry(SD)ISmith(MIN)
K - Zurlien(LAR)Badgley(LAC)
Def - JAGS DET
[rookie] NHarry(NE)MBrown(BAL)
DGoeddart(PHI)
1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2 - 2020's
Rosters must always be 3qbs 4wrs 4rbs 2tes 2kickers 2dst and protected players dont take up a roster spot, but are only for rookie/2nd year players that were drafted

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Re: What does your league do to help out the weaker teams

Postby Orenthal Shames » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:15 am

sugbear65 wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:26 pm
Nothing. If a team owner is going to bail when it comes time for a rebuild, then they don’t belong in dynasty anyway. Educate or replace weak owners, but nobody should be given any advantages or special rules regardless of how good or bad their team is.
This^

There's always going to be a couple of really strong and weak teams, with the rest falling somewhere in the middle.

Consistently bad teams are a product of bad owners. If you want their teams to improve, either educate the owners and get them up to speed or replace them.
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