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DJ Chark

Postby jetsfan5757 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:07 am

I looked, but couldn't find a thread on him...

I think his play through 4 weeks has earned one. I was lucky enough to snag him off waivers after week 1. Love his size/speed combo and love his production so far, especially as he's been doing it as "the guy" at WR in Jax.

He's still younger than some rookie WRs and I think he's got serious upside.

Who here thinks he's for real (chance to climb into WR2 ranks, not just weekly, but ADP wise), who thinks he's a flash in the pan, and WHY?
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Re: DJ Chark

Postby TheNuts » Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:22 am

He has a chance to enter into WR1 status. He has a good OC and both qbs are capable of elevating him. I wish I would have went harder after him in my second dynasty. I would consider buying low. Like give Juju and get Chark plus

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Re: DJ Chark

Postby gunfrees » Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:54 pm

TheNuts wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:22 am
He has a chance to enter into WR1 status. He has a good OC and both qbs are capable of elevating him. I wish I would have went harder after him in my second dynasty. I would consider buying low. Like give Juju and get Chark plus
How big is the gap from Juju to Chark though
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Re: DJ Chark

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:00 pm

gunfrees wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:54 pm
TheNuts wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:22 am
He has a chance to enter into WR1 status. He has a good OC and both qbs are capable of elevating him. I wish I would have went harder after him in my second dynasty. I would consider buying low. Like give Juju and get Chark plus
How big is the gap from Juju to Chark though
Quite a bit IMO, still. Need to see more from Chark.
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Re: DJ Chark

Postby trc » Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:19 am

FantasyFreak wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:00 pm
gunfrees wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:54 pm
TheNuts wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:22 am
He has a chance to enter into WR1 status. He has a good OC and both qbs are capable of elevating him. I wish I would have went harder after him in my second dynasty. I would consider buying low. Like give Juju and get Chark plus
How big is the gap from Juju to Chark though
Quite a bit IMO, still. Need to see more from Chark.
Juju still above Chark - but I would like to see more from Juju too, with the current pace he will be a borderline WR2.
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Re: DJ Chark

Postby ericanadian » Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:24 am

My concern with Chark is that currently (missing stats from yesterday’s game) Minshew is dominating against the blitz (10.4 ypa) and extremely mediocre when the opponent rushes four (6.1 ypa). Chark’s efficiency is coming largely against the blitz as well, so he seems to be the primary benefactor of this. It makes no sense that Minshew is Brady against the blitz, but arguably the worst QB in the league otherwise (Mason Rudolph was the only guy I found in a quick search with a worse ypa with no blitz.). At some point, defenses are going to figure this guy out, or his small sample size luck with run out. I’m not convinced Minshew is an elite QB and I would pump the brakes on Chark until we figure out exactly what sort of QB Minshew actually is. Long term, I like Chark. He’s shown a lot of talent, but he’s not a WR1 yet for me, much less in the discussion with Juju.
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Re: DJ Chark

Postby TimeWillTell » Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:38 am

ericanadian wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:24 am
My concern with Chark is that currently (missing stats from yesterday’s game) Minshew is dominating against the blitz (10.4 ypa) and extremely mediocre when the opponent rushes four (6.1 ypa). Chark’s efficiency is coming largely against the blitz as well, so he seems to be the primary benefactor of this. It makes no sense that Minshew is Brady against the blitz, but arguably the worst QB in the league otherwise (Mason Rudolph was the only guy I found in a quick search with a worse ypa with no blitz.). At some point, defenses are going to figure this guy out, or his small sample size luck with run out. I’m not convinced Minshew is an elite QB and I would pump the brakes on Chark until we figure out exactly what sort of QB Minshew actually is. Long term, I like Chark. He’s shown a lot of talent, but he’s not a WR1 yet for me, much less in the discussion with Juju.
I definitely don't have him near juju but I think he can get there. It's only been 5 weeks.

I wasn't aware of the stats against the blitz but I had been concerned as Minshew is def a gunslinger type and idk if Chark will get the same kind of attention from Foles. Guess time will tell.
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Re: DJ Chark

Postby BigBawseRoss » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:10 am

TheNuts wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:22 am
He has a chance to enter into WR1 status. He has a good OC and both qbs are capable of elevating him. I wish I would have went harder after him in my second dynasty. I would consider buying low. Like give Juju and get Chark plus
this is not an example of buying low. this would be an example of buying extremely high and also being extremely high
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Re: DJ Chark

Postby Ice » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:11 am

I own Chark in a few leagues and I would not trade him away for JuJu. That move looks to be a coin flip at this point. At some point production matters.

Chark is top 5 WR this year. His route running is looking good lining up outside and in the slot. He is getting open and getting fed. Chark was a high draft pick and is developing quite nicely.

Players Break out at different times. Godwin is a 3rd year Break out; Chark looks to be a 2nd year breakout player much like JuJu was in his 2nd year.

All three of these players mentioned are very good but if you wait on getting Chark your eyes should tell you it will be a long and very expensive wait. His value should only increase going forward.

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Re: DJ Chark

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:55 am

Ice wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:11 am
I own Chark in a few leagues and I would not trade him away for JuJu. That move looks to be a coin flip at this point. At some point production matters.

Chark is top 5 WR this year. His route running is looking good lining up outside and in the slot. He is getting open and getting fed. Chark was a high draft pick and is developing quite nicely.

Players Break out at different times. Godwin is a 3rd year Break out; Chark looks to be a 2nd year breakout player much like JuJu was in his 2nd year.

All three of these players mentioned are very good but if you wait on getting Chark your eyes should tell you it will be a long and very expensive wait. His value should only increase going forward.
Nobody would give you Juju for Chark, so you won't have to worry about that one. He's had a stretch of 5 good games. If Chark even has a few down games his value will drop, if people such as yourself are already putting him up with players such as Juju in value. He's had a great year, but there is a downside to pumping someone up this much after 5 games.
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Re: DJ Chark

Postby Ice » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:16 am

FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:55 am
Ice wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:11 am
I own Chark in a few leagues and I would not trade him away for JuJu. That move looks to be a coin flip at this point. At some point production matters.

Chark is top 5 WR this year. His route running is looking good lining up outside and in the slot. He is getting open and getting fed. Chark was a high draft pick and is developing quite nicely.

Players Break out at different times. Godwin is a 3rd year Break out; Chark looks to be a 2nd year breakout player much like JuJu was in his 2nd year.

All three of these players mentioned are very good but if you wait on getting Chark your eyes should tell you it will be a long and very expensive wait. His value should only increase going forward.
Nobody would give you Juju for Chark, so you won't have to worry about that one. He's had a stretch of 5 good games. If Chark even has a few down games his value will drop, if people such as yourself are already putting him up with players such as Juju in value. He's had a great year, but there is a downside to pumping someone up this much after 5 games.
That wasn't the point. What is a bit funny though is JuJu is the player who's value is dropping. He is the 25th ranked WR struggling with his backup QB and DB1 coverage's.

Chark is the one excelling in basically the exact same set of circumstances.

The key difference between us is I have never put JuJu's value through the roof I assume. He was the one that had to prove to me he was really capable of being a legit WR1 in fantasy.

I actually rated Chark as a legit potential WR1 within 3 years which is why I own him is several leagues. I won't draft WR's that IMO do not have true WR1 1 potential.

Like I said, I like JuJu just fine but the WR proving weekly this year that he is a legit WR1 happens to be Chark.

The reality though is the masses are now in full you have to show me more mode. Most of them I figure just didn't really evaluate his game.

He was drafted by the Jags to be their future top WR. Chark was the highest drafted WR on this team since their other 2nd round selection Lee.

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Re: DJ Chark

Postby kmbryant09 » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:36 am

Ice wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:16 am
FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:55 am
Ice wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:11 am
I own Chark in a few leagues and I would not trade him away for JuJu. That move looks to be a coin flip at this point. At some point production matters.

Chark is top 5 WR this year. His route running is looking good lining up outside and in the slot. He is getting open and getting fed. Chark was a high draft pick and is developing quite nicely.

Players Break out at different times. Godwin is a 3rd year Break out; Chark looks to be a 2nd year breakout player much like JuJu was in his 2nd year.

All three of these players mentioned are very good but if you wait on getting Chark your eyes should tell you it will be a long and very expensive wait. His value should only increase going forward.
Nobody would give you Juju for Chark, so you won't have to worry about that one. He's had a stretch of 5 good games. If Chark even has a few down games his value will drop, if people such as yourself are already putting him up with players such as Juju in value. He's had a great year, but there is a downside to pumping someone up this much after 5 games.
That wasn't the point. What is a bit funny though is JuJu is the player who's value is dropping. He is the 25th ranked WR struggling with his backup QB and DB1 coverage's.

Chark is the one excelling in basically the exact same set of circumstances.

The key difference between us is I have never put JuJu's value through the roof I assume. He was the one that had to prove to me he was really capable of being a legit WR1 in fantasy.

I actually rated Chark as a legit potential WR1 within 3 years which is why I own him is several leagues. I won't draft WR's that IMO do not have true WR1 1 potential.

Like I said, I like JuJu just fine but the WR proving weekly this year that he is a legit WR1 happens to be Chark.

The reality though is the masses are now in full you have to show me more mode. Most of them I figure just didn't really evaluate his game.

He was drafted by the Jags to be their future top WR. Chark was the highest drafted WR on this team since their other 2nd round selection Lee.
I think you are overstating the difference in production between Chark and JuJu so far this season. Chark's running numbers are better because Minshew is playing better than the QB mess in Pittsburgh and because he's had insane TD numbers so far - with likely regression coming.

Chark - 21.4% market share / 23.5% of team receptions / 38% of team yards / 50% of team TDs (!)
JuJu - 20.0% market share / 22% of team receptions / 32% of team yards / 29% of team TDs

Don't get me wrong - Chark is balling out, and if he's your guy - then so be it. But let's not act like JuJu is struggling this season - any struggles he's had have mostly been from his QB play and his offense.
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Re: DJ Chark

Postby TheNuts » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:58 am

BigBawseRoss wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:10 am
TheNuts wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:22 am
He has a chance to enter into WR1 status. He has a good OC and both qbs are capable of elevating him. I wish I would have went harder after him in my second dynasty. I would consider buying low. Like give Juju and get Chark plus
this is not an example of buying low. this would be an example of buying extremely high and also being extremely high
If Chark turns into a consensus WR1 for dynasty, buying now is still buying low. I guess people like you can wait until he is in that consensus category and try to actually buy high. I try to buy low all the time, try to get in on a player before the value spikes. I did it in a few spots with Chark and it works out more often than not when I make those moves. This seems like a perfect example of valuing someone like Juju more until the value flips. Then the Juju owner thinks, damn, I could have had Chark plus something else good for Juju, but now Charks even more valuable on his own.

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Re: DJ Chark

Postby TheNuts » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:02 am

kmbryant09 wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:36 am
Ice wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:16 am
FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:55 am


Nobody would give you Juju for Chark, so you won't have to worry about that one. He's had a stretch of 5 good games. If Chark even has a few down games his value will drop, if people such as yourself are already putting him up with players such as Juju in value. He's had a great year, but there is a downside to pumping someone up this much after 5 games.
That wasn't the point. What is a bit funny though is JuJu is the player who's value is dropping. He is the 25th ranked WR struggling with his backup QB and DB1 coverage's.

Chark is the one excelling in basically the exact same set of circumstances.

The key difference between us is I have never put JuJu's value through the roof I assume. He was the one that had to prove to me he was really capable of being a legit WR1 in fantasy.

I actually rated Chark as a legit potential WR1 within 3 years which is why I own him is several leagues. I won't draft WR's that IMO do not have true WR1 1 potential.

Like I said, I like JuJu just fine but the WR proving weekly this year that he is a legit WR1 happens to be Chark.

The reality though is the masses are now in full you have to show me more mode. Most of them I figure just didn't really evaluate his game.

He was drafted by the Jags to be their future top WR. Chark was the highest drafted WR on this team since their other 2nd round selection Lee.
I think you are overstating the difference in production between Chark and JuJu so far this season. Chark's running numbers are better because Minshew is playing better than the QB mess in Pittsburgh and because he's had insane TD numbers so far - with likely regression coming.

Chark - 21.4% market share / 23.5% of team receptions / 38% of team yards / 50% of team TDs (!)
JuJu - 20.0% market share / 22% of team receptions / 32% of team yards / 29% of team TDs

Don't get me wrong - Chark is balling out, and if he's your guy - then so be it. But let's not act like JuJu is struggling this season - any struggles he's had have mostly been from his QB play and his offense.
I think the Juju truthers are reading things that aren't there. I dont think Chark will be a top 2 dynasty receiver and Juju will be out of the top 100, but it's looking so far like there will be an equalizing of the value of these two receivers. Now is the time to increase your dynasty teams overall talent by making a bold move of Juju for Chark plus. That's usually where good owners stand out

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Re: DJ Chark

Postby Ice » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:24 am

kmbryant09 wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:36 am
Ice wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:16 am
FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:55 am


Nobody would give you Juju for Chark, so you won't have to worry about that one. He's had a stretch of 5 good games. If Chark even has a few down games his value will drop, if people such as yourself are already putting him up with players such as Juju in value. He's had a great year, but there is a downside to pumping someone up this much after 5 games.
That wasn't the point. What is a bit funny though is JuJu is the player who's value is dropping. He is the 25th ranked WR struggling with his backup QB and DB1 coverage's.

Chark is the one excelling in basically the exact same set of circumstances.

The key difference between us is I have never put JuJu's value through the roof I assume. He was the one that had to prove to me he was really capable of being a legit WR1 in fantasy.

I actually rated Chark as a legit potential WR1 within 3 years which is why I own him is several leagues. I won't draft WR's that IMO do not have true WR1 1 potential.

Like I said, I like JuJu just fine but the WR proving weekly this year that he is a legit WR1 happens to be Chark.

The reality though is the masses are now in full you have to show me more mode. Most of them I figure just didn't really evaluate his game.

He was drafted by the Jags to be their future top WR. Chark was the highest drafted WR on this team since their other 2nd round selection Lee.
I think you are overstating the difference in production between Chark and JuJu so far this season. Chark's running numbers are better because Minshew is playing better than the QB mess in Pittsburgh and because he's had insane TD numbers so far - with likely regression coming.

Chark - 21.4% market share / 23.5% of team receptions / 38% of team yards / 50% of team TDs (!)
JuJu - 20.0% market share / 22% of team receptions / 32% of team yards / 29% of team TDs

Don't get me wrong - Chark is balling out, and if he's your guy - then so be it. But let's not act like JuJu is struggling this season - any struggles he's had have mostly been from his QB play and his offense.
I am not overestimating anything at this point. The simple facts are Chark is averaging 21.1 points per game. JuJu is averaging 13.66 points per game. Chark has outscored him 5 straight games I think.

This isn't about JuJu so much as it is about Chark. Like I said, I Like both players but the facts are just that and there is a significant statistical and production advantage in almost all categories favoring Chark in a similar set of circumstances.

People might want to watch the tape of Chark this season. He is also moving around the offense and used in far more ways than many WR's in this league. He is being used as a versatile WR1 on his team.


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