A-Fraud- Rodgers and the GB offense

[ArrylT]

Yeah let's face it.. it's ARod, Adams and a bunch of scrubs.

I also agree with whoever said age is overemphasized for QB. Yes you could hit on a Mahomes but for every one of those there are dozens of young guys that fizzle out.

Watches as Phaded gets chased for about an hour by a mob of MVS owners.

[Pullo Vision]

I have a couple of problems with him-

1- Situation
a- poor pace (see 2018 Tennessee)
b- poor passing production (aforementioned yardage, with sample size and opponents caveats)
c- supporting cast- stud WR1, situational deep threat, run-based offense favoring effort grinder over explosive back, non-explosive TE

2- Rodgers himself
a- recent persistent injuries limiting production when playing or outright unavailable
b- appears to be playing more timid recently, whether due to recent injury issues or oline problems

I can dismiss problems from group 1 as temporary, and potentially fixed this year or next. It's his performances, his injuries, it's himself that gives me pause. I know teams that are quietly low key trying to sell him in my leagues.

[Pac_Eddy]

I think Rodgers can bounce back. If I'm a contender who is weak at QB, he's worth a try.

[Sriracha]

I think Rodgers can bounce back. If I'm a contender who is weak at QB, he's worth a try.

Of course he can bounce back. He's Aaron Rodgers.

I don't think he returns to top flight QB status though until they upgrade the receiving room there and LaFleur gets better at hiding his tendencies (which I expect to happen as he gains more experience).

[Vcize]

Why are some people in here acting like this is just a 3 week stretch? Rodgers' last elite fantasy season was 2016. It's been 3 years now and he's not getting any younger. That's not to mention that he's running a lot less this year and his running was what always put him over the top in fantasy.

He's finished as a top 5 fantasy QB in ppg (so we don't hold his injury in 2017 against him) once in the last 5 years and he looks worse now than he did during that stretch.

So much of his current value is his name.

[Vcize]

He's not a top 10 dynasty QB anymore.

This post will look extremely silly in 4 years when he throws 35 TD's for the 3rd straight year.

He's thrown for 35 TDs once in the last FIVE YEARS.

[ericanadian]

Tom Brady finished QB19 after 2016 ended. A lot of people wrote him off saying this was the starting of the end. Next 2 years Brady finished top 12 QB both years in most if not all QB scoring formats, and is currently a QB1 again in 2019.

Regardless Aaron Rodgers is still doing better than Baker Mayfield, Mitch Trubisky & Kirk Cousins. Toss in the fact that 3 normal QB1s are out for a few more weeks, if not the rest of the season - Roethlisberger, Brees & Newton - and the odds seem friendly to the idea that Aaron Rodgers could challenge for a QB1 position.

Final thought:

Matt Ryan was a QB1 in 2016. Change of system & co-ordinator occured in 2017. Matt Ryan was not a QB1 that year.

After getting used to the system - Matt Ryan was a QB1 in 2018. Matt Ryan, with a better OC using a similar system, is again a QB1 in 2019 atm.

I mention this mainly to make 2 points

(a) Bet against elite players at your own risk

(b) I hope this is more re-draft / 2019 focused than a belief that Aaron Rodgers will never be a QB1 again in dynasty.

/thread.

Seriously. It amazes me how quick to react we can be in a game where patience pays dividends. It has been 3 games. The Broncos have allowed the 6th fewest passing yards per game, the Vikings have allowed the 11th fewest, and the Bears the 14th fewest. All three of these teams rank in the T12 for overall defense at this point in the season.

Rodgers has gone 3-0 against them. He is going to be fine. If anything, now is the time to buy him considering his price has dropped considerably with panicky owners thinking he is cooked an way too small a sample size.

Ummm... You might want to look at the Packs passing yards comparable to the other teams that have played those teams.

Chicago Bears

Washington - 287
Denver - 282
Green Bay - 166

Minnesota Vikings

Atlanta - 272
Oakland - 214
Green Bay - 191

Denver Broncos

Oakland - 259
Green Bay - 235
Chicago - 120

Now total passing yards seems pretty meaningless to me given that you’re going to pass less when you win games, but to use it to indicate that the Pack have played tough pass defenses is no less questionable...

[Phaded]

Why are some people in here acting like this is just a 3 week stretch? Rodgers' last elite fantasy season was 2016. It's been 3 years now and he's not getting any younger. That's not to mention that he's running a lot less this year and his running was what always put him over the top in fantasy.

Seeing as he was hurt for more than half of 2017 and was playing at an extremely high level for the 6 and change games he did play, this is just a strawman way of saying he didn't have a great 2018.

Rodgers for a long time was the only consistent high performing qb.. he is going to have some down time here and there. Most of these QBs ranked higher than him have had a flash and otherwise have been exceedingly mediocre.

All that said, there is nothing around him, the team is not good and Lafleur is looking to be quite bad.

Is it possible he has regressed? Sure, but let's not act like there's many QBs better than him.

[Vcize]

Why are some people in here acting like this is just a 3 week stretch? Rodgers' last elite fantasy season was 2016. It's been 3 years now and he's not getting any younger. That's not to mention that he's running a lot less this year and his running was what always put him over the top in fantasy.

Seeing as he was hurt for more than half of 2017 and was playing at an extremely high level for the 6 and change games he did play, this is just a strawman way of saying he didn't have a great 2018.

Rodgers for a long time was the only consistent high performing qb.. he is going to have some down time here and there. Most of these QBs ranked higher than him have had a flash and otherwise have been exceedingly mediocre.

All that said, there is nothing around him, the team is not good and Lafleur is looking to be quite bad.

Is it possible he has regressed? Sure, but let's not act like there's many QBs better than him.

And not a great 2015 and not a great 2019 so far.

He's been a top 5 QB via PPG once in the last 4 years (and this year looks very likely to make it 4 out of 5 outside the top 5) and that was with a pretty typical 350/2 running the ball which he doesn't really seem to be doing anymore.

QB23, QB10, QB6, QB1, QB12

Those are his PPG rankings including this year and the 4 years prior.

Here are the PPG rankings for Matt Ryan over the same stretch, who costs half as much, is 2 years younger, and didn't rely on any rushing stats for these finishes that are likely to decline moving forward.

QB9, QB2, QB20, QB2, QB7

[Phaded]

Okay so who are you taking in front of him as a secure year to year option?
Mahomes, Watson, Wilson....
Who else? Because after those 3 there is still a very strong argument in favour of Rodgers.

[Lumps]

[blemly]

Why are some people in here acting like this is just a 3 week stretch? Rodgers' last elite fantasy season was 2016. It's been 3 years now and he's not getting any younger. That's not to mention that he's running a lot less this year and his running was what always put him over the top in fantasy.

Seeing as he was hurt for more than half of 2017 and was playing at an extremely high level for the 6 and change games he did play, this is just a strawman way of saying he didn't have a great 2018.

Rodgers for a long time was the only consistent high performing qb.. he is going to have some down time here and there. Most of these QBs ranked higher than him have had a flash and otherwise have been exceedingly mediocre.

All that said, there is nothing around him, the team is not good and Lafleur is looking to be quite bad.

Is it possible he has regressed? Sure, but let's not act like there's many QBs better than him.

Exactly. And his “poor” 2018 is 4400 yards, 25 TDs and 2 INTs. Allison and MVS are not special, but they aren’t awful either. And Adams is a WR1. Rodgers is fine.

[Jigga94]

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[Vcize]

Okay so who are you taking in front of him as a secure year to year option?
Mahomes, Watson, Wilson....
Who else? Because after those 3 there is still a very strong argument in favour of Rodgers.

It's less about who at his position would go before him and more that his value on the market far outweights that aging mid-QB1 that he is, which is typically something that has very little value (see Big Ben/Rivers the last few years). His name still makes him a lot more valuable in trades and makes him go a lot earlier in drafts than that type of asset should go.

But to answer your question I would easily take Wentz over him. It's a toss-up who is going to score more between the two and Wentz is a full decade younger. Young guys putting up big points like Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen should probably be considered too as they've been outscoring him for the better part of a year now and again are a full decade+ younger on top of that.

He's a toss-up with Matt Ryan in production and likelihood to outscore each other this year but his name of course carries a ton more value.

ETA: Forgot about Dak, who would have to be in the conversation too at this point.

[Vcize]

Why are some people in here acting like this is just a 3 week stretch? Rodgers' last elite fantasy season was 2016. It's been 3 years now and he's not getting any younger. That's not to mention that he's running a lot less this year and his running was what always put him over the top in fantasy.

Seeing as he was hurt for more than half of 2017 and was playing at an extremely high level for the 6 and change games he did play, this is just a strawman way of saying he didn't have a great 2018.

Rodgers for a long time was the only consistent high performing qb.. he is going to have some down time here and there. Most of these QBs ranked higher than him have had a flash and otherwise have been exceedingly mediocre.

All that said, there is nothing around him, the team is not good and Lafleur is looking to be quite bad.

Is it possible he has regressed? Sure, but let's not act like there's many QBs better than him.

Exactly. And his “poor” 2018 is 4400 yards, 25 TDs and 2 INTs. Allison and MVS are not special, but they aren’t awful either. And Adams is a WR1. Rodgers is fine.

Well yeah. It's not 1995. Here in 2019 that season stinks for fantasy. You can get Phillip Rivers for a 3rd round pick and he has out-done that season 10 of the last 11 years (!!).