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Re: Darius Slayton
So are you holding or selling? He missed the first two games, but his pace is 54-788-10 for a full 16 games (obviously slightly inflated based on his last big game, and I would also take the under on 10 TD’s on the year). Is he a sell high, or keep because we are hopeful on what he will become?
Stated differently, does he have the chance to be the #1 or #2 WR long-term here? Or will the giants draft another WR next year and make him nearly irrelevant?
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Re: Darius Slayton
The problem with the term "sell high" with a player like Slayton (day 3 WR producing early in his career), is that selling high is technically selling for almost any real asset. He was taken with your last rookie pick, or grabbed for free off the wire most likely, so selling for a late 2020 3rd is technically selling high because you are making a profit, but at this point that may turn out to be selling low. I basically flipped him for Alshon before this last big week, and felt great about it, but now that's looking like it may bite me.Shcritters wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:09 pm So are you holding or selling? He missed the first two games, but his pace is 54-788-10 for a full 16 games (obviously slightly inflated based on his last big game, and I would also take the under on 10 TD’s on the year). Is he a sell high, or keep because we are hopeful on what he will become?
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Re: Darius Slayton
Good point. Most people would offer a 3rd, so where does that leave you? Hoping that third turns into what Slayton is doing right now.lukkynumber13 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:51 pmThe problem with the term "sell high" with a player like Slayton (day 3 WR producing early in his career), is that selling high is technically selling for almost any real asset. He was taken with your last rookie pick, or grabbed for free off the wire most likely, so selling for a late 2020 3rd is technically selling high because your are making a profit, but at this point that may turn out to be selling low. I basically flipped him for Alshon before this last big week, and felt great about it, but now that's looking like it may bite me.Shcritters wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:09 pm So are you holding or selling? He missed the first two games, but his pace is 54-788-10 for a full 16 games (obviously slightly inflated based on his last big game, and I would also take the under on 10 TD’s on the year). Is he a sell high, or keep because we are hopeful on what he will become?
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Re: Darius Slayton
This is how I approach nearly every cheap/free dart throw acquisition. Hold until they eventually materialize into something of actual value. If it doesn't happen, you aren't really out anything anyways.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:06 pmGood point. Most people would offer a 3rd, so where does that leave you? Hoping that third turns into what Slayton is doing right now.lukkynumber13 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:51 pmThe problem with the term "sell high" with a player like Slayton (day 3 WR producing early in his career), is that selling high is technically selling for almost any real asset. He was taken with your last rookie pick, or grabbed for free off the wire most likely, so selling for a late 2020 3rd is technically selling high because your are making a profit, but at this point that may turn out to be selling low. I basically flipped him for Alshon before this last big week, and felt great about it, but now that's looking like it may bite me.Shcritters wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:09 pm So are you holding or selling? He missed the first two games, but his pace is 54-788-10 for a full 16 games (obviously slightly inflated based on his last big game, and I would also take the under on 10 TD’s on the year). Is he a sell high, or keep because we are hopeful on what he will become?
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Re: Darius Slayton
Giants fan here.Shcritters wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:09 pm So are you holding or selling? He missed the first two games, but his pace is 54-788-10 for a full 16 games (obviously slightly inflated based on his last big game, and I would also take the under on 10 TD’s on the year). Is he a sell high, or keep because we are hopeful on what he will become?
Stated differently, does he have the chance to be the #1 or #2 WR long-term here? Or will the giants draft another WR next year and make him nearly irrelevant?
Slayton and Jones connection is real. They had a connection right from the start of early summer camp.
Jones is a pretty good passer, when he has time in the pocket he has done phenomenal for a rookie.
Offensive weapons are not the issue on the NYG's. Golden Tate/Shepard/Slayton/Engram/Saquon are more than enough.
The problem is the offensive line and the defense. There's not a lot guaranteed in the NFL but I am certain the Giants won't go RB or WR in the first 3 rounds next draft. Too many holes on the line and in the defense. Remember they just lost to the Jets, a combo of both those issues. The D can't stop anyone and the O-Line has 3 starters who wouldn't start on any other team.
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Re: Darius Slayton
Depends on what you consider "selling high". Most Slayton owners added him off the waiver wire or drafted him with a 3rd or 4th. In the one league where I have Slayton, I'm holding even if someone offers a 2nd. No one will or should pay a 1st, but the ceiling of a Kenny Golladay or Courtland Sutton type is there. Those guys are worth 1sts, so Slayton's value could get there by the end of the season. Of course, if someone is willing to pay a 2020 1st, I'd definitely consider selling for that.Shcritters wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:09 pm So are you holding or selling? He missed the first two games, but his pace is 54-788-10 for a full 16 games (obviously slightly inflated based on his last big game, and I would also take the under on 10 TD’s on the year). Is he a sell high, or keep because we are hopeful on what he will become?
Stated differently, does he have the chance to be the #1 or #2 WR long-term here? Or will the giants draft another WR next year and make him nearly irrelevant?
Neither Golden Tate nor Sterling Shepard are true no. 1 WRs, as both are better suited for the slot role or on underneath routes. I think Slayton has a chance to be the no. 1 WR in NYG long-term. Whether that can or will translate to fantasy WR1 production remains to be seen, but it could if NYG builds its offensive line while the defense remains terrible. If Daniel Jones can be even an adequate QB like a Ryan Tannehill or Kyle Allen though, Slayton should be able to produce at a fantasy WR2/3 level with WR1 upside.
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Re: Darius Slayton
No reason to sell. He has a lot of traits to like as a WR but consistency is an issue. He is raw in routes and has some concerns against man coverage. He isn't very physical so he will have to learn to beat press and sharpen his route skill set. I do like how he plays against zone but press man is a weakness.
I don't see him as a legit #1 WR and expect the Giants to go get a high pedigree WR type to help their talented QB. He looks like a solid #2 for a team from a potential perspective so there is some upside.
Half his games are under 7 points so I wouldn't get too excited but wouldn't be worried either. His value isn't anywhere close to high sell after one good game given he has only had 2 games at 8 or more targets.
Be glad you own him if you do; He could develop into a consistent player within the next couple of years.
I don't see him as a legit #1 WR and expect the Giants to go get a high pedigree WR type to help their talented QB. He looks like a solid #2 for a team from a potential perspective so there is some upside.
Half his games are under 7 points so I wouldn't get too excited but wouldn't be worried either. His value isn't anywhere close to high sell after one good game given he has only had 2 games at 8 or more targets.
Be glad you own him if you do; He could develop into a consistent player within the next couple of years.
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I'd give him really no shot at either. Shepard is under contract long-term, Engram is at TE, Tate should be there at least another year, and it's still possible they draft a WR for depth. Plus, they're going to feed Barkley a ton in the receiving game.Shcritters wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:09 pm So are you holding or selling? He missed the first two games, but his pace is 54-788-10 for a full 16 games (obviously slightly inflated based on his last big game, and I would also take the under on 10 TD’s on the year). Is he a sell high, or keep because we are hopeful on what he will become?
Stated differently, does he have the chance to be the #1 or #2 WR long-term here? Or will the giants draft another WR next year and make him nearly irrelevant?
Slayton would really have to blow up for the remainder of the season.
Re: Darius Slayton
As long as Shepard continues to get hurt, which has been all too common for the dude, Slayton definitely holds value. I probably wouldn't move him unless, like others mentioned, a 1st that could turn into a QB or RB (2QB/SF leagues).
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Article on Slayton just got posted today on DLF. Going to be interesting to see what his off-season ADP looks like.
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Cool. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Darius Slayton
Led the team in receiving with 67 yards on a day when Daniel Jones threw for only 150 and Sterling Shepard was back in the lineup. I'm not sure he's a sell-high........might be worth holding.
Seems like he was considered an athletically gifted prospect who was very raw coming out of college. Drops in the draft due to poor college production (bad offense) and the perception that he will only be a deep threat/field-stretcher at the next level. Seems like a guy who has all the physical tools who just needed to improve his route tree and hopefully cut down on the drops. Guys with this type of profile flame out a lot but is it possible his weaknesses have gotten better? Seems like he has the agility to run underneath and mid-level routes effectively. Combine this with an elite athletic profile and seems like he could translate into a solid NFL receiver.
Seems like he was considered an athletically gifted prospect who was very raw coming out of college. Drops in the draft due to poor college production (bad offense) and the perception that he will only be a deep threat/field-stretcher at the next level. Seems like a guy who has all the physical tools who just needed to improve his route tree and hopefully cut down on the drops. Guys with this type of profile flame out a lot but is it possible his weaknesses have gotten better? Seems like he has the agility to run underneath and mid-level routes effectively. Combine this with an elite athletic profile and seems like he could translate into a solid NFL receiver.
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Has good chemistry with Jones too because he was basically the #1 receiver in 2nd team reps in the offseason/preseason, and Jones was obviously the 2nd team QB.
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Re: Darius Slayton
Pretty sure he (and everyone else) was invisible until garbage time. He was shut down until the Bears played a softer coverage.vix_trader wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:41 am Led the team in receiving with 67 yards on a day when Daniel Jones threw for only 150 and Sterling Shepard was back in the lineup. I'm not sure he's a sell-high........might be worth holding.
Seems like he was considered an athletically gifted prospect who was very raw coming out of college. Drops in the draft due to poor college production (bad offense) and the perception that he will only be a deep threat/field-stretcher at the next level. Seems like a guy who has all the physical tools who just needed to improve his route tree and hopefully cut down on the drops. Guys with this type of profile flame out a lot but is it possible his weaknesses have gotten better? Seems like he has the agility to run underneath and mid-level routes effectively. Combine this with an elite athletic profile and seems like he could translate into a solid NFL receiver.
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Re: Darius Slayton
Not necessarily true, he had 4 targets (well 3, but one was a target that was deleted because of a defensive penalty) and 31 yards by halftime.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:30 amPretty sure he (and everyone else) was invisible until garbage time. He was shut down until the Bears played a softer coverage.vix_trader wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:41 am Led the team in receiving with 67 yards on a day when Daniel Jones threw for only 150 and Sterling Shepard was back in the lineup. I'm not sure he's a sell-high........might be worth holding.
Seems like he was considered an athletically gifted prospect who was very raw coming out of college. Drops in the draft due to poor college production (bad offense) and the perception that he will only be a deep threat/field-stretcher at the next level. Seems like a guy who has all the physical tools who just needed to improve his route tree and hopefully cut down on the drops. Guys with this type of profile flame out a lot but is it possible his weaknesses have gotten better? Seems like he has the agility to run underneath and mid-level routes effectively. Combine this with an elite athletic profile and seems like he could translate into a solid NFL receiver.
There are a lot of rookie WR's producing right now. Half of them will flame out... the trick is figuring out which ones are the ones to keep and which to sell. If anyone has a crystal ball I'd pay to use it.
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