Calling my shot: Taysom Hill takeover

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Is Teddy Better Than Taysom?

Postby Cherokee » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:21 am

Im picking up Taysom. Having dreams of some sort of read/run option with him and Kamara.
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Re: Is Teddy Better Than Taysom?

Postby bjd5211 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:28 am

Teddy is going to be the starter. Hill's opportunities could actually go down now, because Teddy is far less established in the offense than Brees and they may not want to disrupt his rhythm as he gets worked into the starters role.

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Re: Is Teddy Better Than Taysom?

Postby Phaded » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:45 am

Teddy is a low-quality backup.
Taysom has more upside.

Personally, no interest in either.
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Re: Is Teddy Better Than Taysom?

Postby bjd5211 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:57 am

Phaded wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:45 am
Teddy is a low-quality backup.
Taysom has more upside.

Personally, no interest in either.
I don't think he's anything special as a starter, but I would say he's a quality backup QB. How many backup QBs in the league would you take over him? I can't think of many.

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Re: Is Teddy Better Than Taysom?

Postby Goddard » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:02 am

Taysom is better, but not sure why New Orleans is refusing to admit that. Both should probably be owned in SF/2QB leagues. Don't want either in 1QB leagues.

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Re: Is Teddy Better Than Taysom?

Postby Friction » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:39 am

Taysom would put up better FF numbers, since he scores points running the ball, but Teddy may seem like a safer, game managing option to the Saints. We could very well see another 8-8 team get a home playoff game, from that division.
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Calling my shot: Taysom Hill takeover

Postby notweswelker » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:59 pm

Teddy Bridgewater has the ceiling of... Teddy Bridgewater. He's a great guy who was the mediocre game manager qb of a great team.
His pro-bowl designation was largely undeserved, and his tape shows the exact same player as we saw with the Vikings before his injury.
Teddy's tendencies look unchanged and teams will be able to neutralize him, especially since he'll be chasing points with a Defense that looks... not great.
He's best at dinking and dunking with short/lateral passes. This can work, especially with great play-makers (Thomas/Kamara etc.), but he's going to struggle as teams realize this and will actively force him to look deeper. He struggles hitting deep and even intermediate passes, and has a bad tendency to hold the ball too long while he works his progressions.


Taysom Hill Does not look like the player who joined NO in '17. He has progressed every season/off-season. This culminated in a very good showing this pre-season. Obviously pre-season isn't the real thing, but it's still many players who are playing for their careers. The stats aside, and they were good (better than Bridgewater's), it was his poise and decision making in the pocket that really struck me. He was quick, decisive, accurate, and reacted incredibly to pressure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKeEh2668Yo (Week 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=httLNHlYT4o (Week 2)

I believe it will happen sometime in the next two games, but Hill's explosive playmaking will win out over the game manager Bridgewater.
**Saints are scheduled to play vs. the Seahawks this week, and a Pete Carroll team that completely neutralized Bridgewater the last time he played in two games in 2015. Obviously that Seahawks defense was great, but the coaching is still relevant, and for comparison, look at Russell Wilson's stats in the same two games versus what was a very good Minnesota defense.

Box scores from those two games:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... 060min.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... 100min.htm

Combined Bridgewater stats from both games, 2 losses, 34/52 passes completed, 264 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 1 Fumble, 7 sacks.

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Re: Calling my shot: Taysom Hill takeover

Postby Never Veto » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:15 pm

Being a Vikes fan I saw plenty of Bridgewater and he is a good game manager but is not going to win you games. If he has to play from behind the game is pretty much already lost. I think if the Saints were wise they would give Hill a shot and see what he can really do.
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Re: Calling my shot: Taysom Hill takeover

Postby blemly » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:22 pm

Never Veto wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:15 pm
Being a Vikes fan I saw plenty of Bridgewater and he is a good game manager but is not going to win you games. If he has to play from behind the game is pretty much already lost. I think if the Saints were wise they would give Hill a shot and see what he can really do.
My thoughts too. Teddy Bridgewater looks just like Tyrod Taylor out there.
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Re: Calling my shot: Taysom Hill takeover

Postby Goddard » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:27 pm

blemly wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:22 pm
Never Veto wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:15 pm
Being a Vikes fan I saw plenty of Bridgewater and he is a good game manager but is not going to win you games. If he has to play from behind the game is pretty much already lost. I think if the Saints were wise they would give Hill a shot and see what he can really do.
My thoughts too. Teddy Bridgewater looks just like Tyrod Taylor out there.
That's an insult to Taylor.

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Re: Calling my shot: Taysom Hill takeover

Postby Phaded » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:50 pm

I agree, Bridgewater is a low quality backup as I said elsewhere - let alone starter.
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Re: Calling my shot: Taysom Hill takeover

Postby ArrylT » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:06 pm

The fact that Taysom Hill is so versatile and has played apparently 7 different positions, is exactly why I am going to guess that the Saints are unlikely to make him their starter, unless absolutely necessary.

Also Teddy Bridgewater was the highest salaried backup QB in the NFL (on a per year basis). There is a reason for that.

That division is up for grabs - for example every team has a negative Points Differential - & Brees will most likely be back after their bye week (Week 9). 5 of 6 of their divisional games will be after their Bye week.

In other words so long as Bridgewater can be exactly what you called him - a game manager - then the Saints will likely be happy to ride him until Brees return. As long as the Saints are like 3-6 or 4-5 then they'll have a shot.

Unless Bridgewater gets injured or is absolutely abysmal for multiple games - I fully expect Bridgewater to remain the starter & for Hill to remain the jack of all trades the Saints want him to be (better to have 1 man who can play 7 positions than have him play QB ahead of a proven QB). Thats my hunch at least. If they go 0-5 and Brees is unlikely to return - then we'll see.
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Re: Calling my shot: Taysom Hill takeover

Postby IZigUZag » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:13 pm

ArrylT wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:06 pm
The fact that Taysom Hill is so versatile and has played apparently 7 different positions, is exactly why I am going to guess that the Saints are unlikely to make him their starter, unless absolutely necessary.

Also Teddy Bridgewater was the highest salaried backup QB in the NFL (on a per year basis). There is a reason for that.

That division is up for grabs - for example every team has a negative Points Differential - & Brees will most likely be back after their bye week (Week 9). 5 of 6 of their divisional games will be after their Bye week.

In other words so long as Bridgewater can be exactly what you called him - a game manager - then the Saints will likely be happy to ride him until Brees return. As long as the Saints are like 3-6 or 4-5 then they'll have a shot.

Unless Bridgewater gets injured or is absolutely abysmal for multiple games - I fully expect Bridgewater to remain the starter & for Hill to remain the jack of all trades the Saints want him to be (better to have 1 man who can play 7 positions than have him play QB ahead of a proven QB). Thats my hunch at least. If they go 0-5 and Brees is unlikely to return - then we'll see.
Taysom Hill is clearly the better QB from what I've seen out of the two of them. The value of the QB position far outweighs his other 6 positional spot snaps. If Bridgewater continues to struggle (and I believe he will) Taysom is likely to get a shot in 2-3 weeks... but at that point is it even worth picking him right now when Brees is projected back only 3 weeks later?

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Re: Calling my shot: Taysom Hill takeover

Postby Blueboy » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:20 pm

I agree with you -- Sean Payton calling Hill the next Steve Young may end up very fitting.

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Re: Calling my shot: Taysom Hill takeover

Postby Goddard » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:29 pm

I don't even think I'd call Bridgewater a game manager. Game managers typically throw 20-30 times per game and usually have a high completion percentage with average yards. Teddy threw the ball 30 times yesterday in the 2nd half and only completed 17 of them for 165 yards. I don't know why people are afraid to say he's a bad QB. I'm happy for him and his story was great coming back from that injury, but we don't have to pretend like he's better than he is. I think Sean Payton is having a difficult time accepting that reality as well, but if they want a chance to win a few games while Brees is out, they need to start Hill sooner rather than later.


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