Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby hoos89 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:53 pm

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What prices are ppl paying to try and get Deebo, Diontae, Isabella?
Hard to say. They owners that drafted those three likely saw upside from the beginning, so seeing them flash might raise those prices to an amount others aren't willing to pay. I'd give a late 1st for Deebo, and a mid or late 2nd for either of Isabella or Diontae.
I'd be willing to sell Isabella for a 2nd. No way I'm giving up Deebo for a late 1st or Diontae for a 2nd though
Agreed on Deebo...I'd want at least late first + 2nd or mid-first. He's the #7 non-QB rookie in points scored so far, and could realistically finish top 3. Deebo was one of my guys though (and I grabbed him at 1.08)...I'm guessing that someone who picked him in the 2nd would be more amenable to selling for a late 1st.

I'd probably sell Diontae for an early 2nd if I had any shares, though.
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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby jimmycricket14 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:16 pm

Good call on Isabella. Him and Hardman I think will be undervalued and have pretty high ceilings so I will definitely be going pretty aggressively after them.

He won't be cheap but I am going to try to buy Hollywood this offseason as well even if I have to overpay a little. He got almost no offseason work this year and has barely practiced at all this season. If he can get healthy and stay healthy through the offseason I feel like the sky is the limit for him. Am going to try to get him for mid/late 2020 1sts once the hype starts to build.

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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby Weknownothing86 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:55 am

jimmycricket14 wrote:
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Good call on Isabella. Him and Hardman I think will be undervalued and have pretty high ceilings so I will definitely be going pretty aggressively after them.

He won't be cheap but I am going to try to buy Hollywood this offseason as well even if I have to overpay a little. He got almost no offseason work this year and has barely practiced at all this season. If he can get healthy and stay healthy through the offseason I feel like the sky is the limit for him. Am going to try to get him for mid/late 2020 1sts once the hype starts to build.
Totally agree on Hollywood. The potential with him is just insane. Cant wait to see what he can do next season when he is fully healed from the Lis Franc Surgery and his ankle. With the hype of the 2020 firsts you may be able to get him ++ depending on what owner you are dealing with.
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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby Blueboy » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:52 am

Weknownothing86 wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:55 am
jimmycricket14 wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:16 pm
Good call on Isabella. Him and Hardman I think will be undervalued and have pretty high ceilings so I will definitely be going pretty aggressively after them.

He won't be cheap but I am going to try to buy Hollywood this offseason as well even if I have to overpay a little. He got almost no offseason work this year and has barely practiced at all this season. If he can get healthy and stay healthy through the offseason I feel like the sky is the limit for him. Am going to try to get him for mid/late 2020 1sts once the hype starts to build.
Totally agree on Hollywood. The potential with him is just insane. Cant wait to see what he can do next season when he is fully healed from the Lis Franc Surgery and his ankle. With the hype of the 2020 firsts you may be able to get him ++ depending on what owner you are dealing with.
Does he have a shot at being healthy in time for the playoffs? If so, it might be smart to try and acquire him now.

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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby Weknownothing86 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:28 am

Blueboy wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:52 am
Weknownothing86 wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:55 am
jimmycricket14 wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:16 pm
Good call on Isabella. Him and Hardman I think will be undervalued and have pretty high ceilings so I will definitely be going pretty aggressively after them.

He won't be cheap but I am going to try to buy Hollywood this offseason as well even if I have to overpay a little. He got almost no offseason work this year and has barely practiced at all this season. If he can get healthy and stay healthy through the offseason I feel like the sky is the limit for him. Am going to try to get him for mid/late 2020 1sts once the hype starts to build.
Totally agree on Hollywood. The potential with him is just insane. Cant wait to see what he can do next season when he is fully healed from the Lis Franc Surgery and his ankle. With the hype of the 2020 firsts you may be able to get him ++ depending on what owner you are dealing with.
Does he have a shot at being healthy in time for the playoffs? If so, it might be smart to try and acquire him now.
Nah i dont think so, im in fact sitting him this week and im in a spot to clinch a playoff berth if i win. He will be at total full speed next season and i think will be phenomenal but for this season i would never attempt to acquire him for a playoff push. I would 100 percent trade a stable vet to a contender who may have him tho
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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby Paul717 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:05 pm

ArrylT wrote:
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2019 Rookie WR Yardage to date:

Metcalf - 595
McLaurin - 566
Marquise Brown - 477
Deebo Samuel - 474
Hardman - 450
AJ Brown - 446
Preston Williams - 428 (IR)
Slayton - 394
Diontae Johnson - 380
Renfrow - 365

Thats basically 10 WRs with a pace of at least 600 yards - which may not sound like much but thats basically 40 yards a game - and they are rookies. And apart from Metcalf & Hardman, none of them are playing with QBs that most owners respect. ;)

Olabisi Johnson - 225
Keesean Johnson - 187
Isabella - 180
Meyers - 179
Scott Miller - 143
Boykin - 131
Harmon - 128
Campbell - 115 (injured?)
Doss - 79
Sims - 51
JJAW - 43
Jason Moore - 43
Olszewski - 34
Harry - 18
Morgan - 18
Deonte Harris - 10

Just so people can keep track - although if you use MFL they track rookies. :)
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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby Blueboy » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:26 pm

Weknownothing86 wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:28 am
Blueboy wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:52 am
Weknownothing86 wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:55 am


Totally agree on Hollywood. The potential with him is just insane. Cant wait to see what he can do next season when he is fully healed from the Lis Franc Surgery and his ankle. With the hype of the 2020 firsts you may be able to get him ++ depending on what owner you are dealing with.
Does he have a shot at being healthy in time for the playoffs? If so, it might be smart to try and acquire him now.
Nah i dont think so, im in fact sitting him this week and im in a spot to clinch a playoff berth if i win. He will be at total full speed next season and i think will be phenomenal but for this season i would never attempt to acquire him for a playoff push. I would 100 percent trade a stable vet to a contender who may have him tho
I realize that that was a confusing way of typing it, looking back - I'm talking about NFL playoffs. I could envision a scenario where he rebounds to better health then, shows out, and boosts his offseason price for dynasty. I'm not sure about his recovery timetable from the Lisfranc, though.

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RB: Guice, Penny, Love, J. Howard, Snell
WR: DJM, Metcalf, Hollywood, M. Williams, Isabella, T. Smith
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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby Ice » Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:54 pm

Paul717 wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:05 pm
ArrylT wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:47 pm
2019 Rookie WR Yardage to date:

Metcalf - 595
McLaurin - 566
Marquise Brown - 477
Deebo Samuel - 474
Hardman - 450
Preston Williams - 428 (IR)
Diontae Johnson - 380

I own all of these Wr’s and drafted all but McLaurin, Williams, and Johnson in the first round of my drafts.

IMO this was the strongest overall class I have seen in years and nothing has changed that. I had high first round grades on Metcalf, Brown, and Samuel.

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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby lic217 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:10 pm

My top 5 was:
Aj Brown
Deebo
Jacobs
Hollywood
Harry

Was not high on Metcalf but he has looked damn good. Also some of you might think I am bullshiting, but in my team one in sig I drafted AJ Brown at 1.01 (no one was willing to pay much to move up) and then Deebo at 1.03. Drafted Harry at 1.04 but traded him away since I did not like him as much as most. Then trade JJ artegawhitside and a couple of 2020 seconds for Hollywood before the preseason. Was excited to get three of my four guys and think all have shown some ability. I am suprised that people think someone would trade deebo for a late first. He is a rookie wr that is producing in his first year. Not sure why someone would trade (although I am also the asshole that overdrafted him).
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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby ckrumm24 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:54 am

lic217 wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:10 pm
My top 5 was:
Aj Brown
Deebo
Jacobs
Hollywood
Harry

Was not high on Metcalf but he has looked damn good. Also some of you might think I am bullshiting, but in my team one in sig I drafted AJ Brown at 1.01 (no one was willing to pay much to move up) and then Deebo at 1.03. Drafted Harry at 1.04 but traded him away since I did not like him as much as most. Then trade JJ artegawhitside and a couple of 2020 seconds for Hollywood before the preseason. Was excited to get three of my four guys and think all have shown some ability. I am suprised that people think someone would trade deebo for a late first. He is a rookie wr that is producing in his first year. Not sure why someone would trade (although I am also the asshole that overdrafted him).
I don’t understand why anyone would trade for a 1st either unless it’s like 1st or 2nd overall and want one of the 3 down backs. It literally makes zero sense. You’ve hit on a WR in the first round who is already a year through growing pains and you’re going to sell for an unknown and nothing else? If you start adding picks or players onto the 1st rounder than that’s a different story.
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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby jomaed » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:24 pm

Bump.....It seems each week a rookie WR shines. Who do you think has the best career?

I think Brown and Deebo have all the tools to be consistent for many years.

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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby Blueboy » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:46 pm

With three weeks left in the regular season, do we get a rookie WR with 1000 yards this season? Metcalf, Brown and McLaurin have outside chances.
Metcalf - 50 rec, 783 yards, 5 TD
A.J. Brown - 39 rec, 779 yards, 6 TD
McLaurin - 46 rec, 703 yards, 6 TD

The next tier of guys don't really have a shot, as they've had hot/cold portions to the season.

Deebo - 47 rec, 640 yards, 3 TD
Hollywood Brown - 39 rec, 518 yards, 6 TD
Darius Slayton - 37 rec, 505 yards, 5 TD
Mecole Hardman - 24 rec, 498 yards, 6 TD

In any case, his WR class is certainly looking good.

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RB: Guice, Penny, Love, J. Howard, Snell
WR: DJM, Metcalf, Hollywood, M. Williams, Isabella, T. Smith
TE: OJH, Hockenson, Hurst

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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby blemly » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:05 pm

Blueboy wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:46 pm
With three weeks left in the regular season, do we get a rookie WR with 1000 yards this season? Metcalf, Brown and McLaurin have outside chances.
Metcalf - 50 rec, 783 yards, 5 TD
A.J. Brown - 39 rec, 779 yards, 6 TD
McLaurin - 46 rec, 703 yards, 6 TD

The next tier of guys don't really have a shot, as they've had hot/cold portions to the season.

Deebo - 47 rec, 640 yards, 3 TD
Hollywood Brown - 39 rec, 518 yards, 6 TD
Darius Slayton - 37 rec, 505 yards, 5 TD
Mecole Hardman - 24 rec, 498 yards, 6 TD

In any case, his WR class is certainly looking good.
AJ putting up those numbers on 39 freakin’ catches is crazy. Dude looks like a stud.
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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby hoos89 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:52 pm

Blueboy wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:46 pm
With three weeks left in the regular season, do we get a rookie WR with 1000 yards this season? Metcalf, Brown and McLaurin have outside chances.
Metcalf - 50 rec, 783 yards, 5 TD
A.J. Brown - 39 rec, 779 yards, 6 TD
McLaurin - 46 rec, 703 yards, 6 TD

The next tier of guys don't really have a shot, as they've had hot/cold portions to the season.

Deebo - 47 rec, 640 yards, 3 TD
Hollywood Brown - 39 rec, 518 yards, 6 TD
Darius Slayton - 37 rec, 505 yards, 5 TD
Mecole Hardman - 24 rec, 498 yards, 6 TD

In any case, his WR class is certainly looking good.
Deebo in the conversation if you count yards from scrimmage. He "just" need to average 90 yards per game for the final 3, which is certainly plausible given his play lately.

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Deebo - 730
McLaurin - 703
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Re: Rookie WR's......Look Amazing

Postby Weknownothing86 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:58 pm

Ya in hindsight this class so far has really made the dynasty community look even more foolish than we usually do. Even the top 3 Rbs have looked good (especially Jacobs). Makes me wonder if all this 2020 hype is gonna disappoint once the season starts, perhaps the community is too high on 2020 like we were obviously way too low on 2019. I mean for rookies these are very good- great seasons. You have to be happy with almost any WR you got in the first round except Campbell or Harry. (I think Harry will be ok though)
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