OJ Howard Panic?

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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby Vcize » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:25 am

Wasn't that quote from Arians back in week 1 or 2?

His efficiency has remained high this year. 72% catch rate and 9.7 YPT.

I think Godwin's emergence has really put a damper on things. Jameis just doesn't really look anywhere beyond Evans and Godwin.
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby ArrylT » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:15 am

https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2019/ ... -j-howard/

Rumour that the Patriots are enquiring about Howard

Even NFL teams know when to try and buy low. ;)
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby ArrylT » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:18 am

https://thepewterplank.com/2019/10/19/b ... ard-to-wr/

Meanwhile some think Howard needs to convert to WR.
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby Shcritters » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:34 am

Player A: 6'5'', 231, 4.53 40, 124 burst score, 11.34 agility score, 10.32 catch radius. Listed as WR. Let's give him 55 targets so far this year.

Player B: 6'6'', 251, 4.51 40, 113 burst score, 11.01 agility score, 10.24 catch radius. Listed as TE. Well, he's a TE, so let's give him 18 targets.

I wonder if OJ lost a few pounds and converted to WR if he would receive more Bruce Arians love simply because he'd be a WR (although he pretty much is Mike Evans from a metrics perspective already, aside from weight).

Obviously this is a little bit hyperbole, but posting it to make a point about how Arians doesn't like TE's. PLEASE trade him to NE...
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby Blueboy » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:44 am

According to Albert Breer, "New England already asked, and was told no on, Buccaneers tight end O.J. Howard."

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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby badbuddah » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:21 pm

It's gotten to the point where I hope Arians has a heart attack or something and can't coach anymore because he has KILLED Howard's value and FREAKING kept him prisoner by refusing to trade him. In New England he immediately is a top 5 TE, but they won't release him from this hell, and for that I wish bad things upon Tampa and their ownership.
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby JJRules » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:27 pm

badbuddah wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:21 pm
It's gotten to the point where I hope Arians has a heart attack
that's fcked up man, even in jest
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby IR1 » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:28 pm

Maybe that's "coach speak" for we want more? Brate is signed long term, thinking(hoping) they would move him for the right offer. Still have a week to hope
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby badbuddah » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:35 pm

JJRules wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:27 pm
badbuddah wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:21 pm
It's gotten to the point where I hope Arians has a heart attack
that's fcked up man, even in jest
Ya was a dark joke. But seriously, if he is not blocking because he isn't happy in the offense, how is he helping your team? Seriously why would you not try to trade him for assets that CAN help you? It's fine if you run a stupid offense that thinks TE is worthless but at least recognize that and go cheap at the position and strengthen elsewhere. We can all agree Tampa needs a lot of parts.
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby Pac_Eddy » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:20 pm

Rumor of the Patriots asking about the availability of OJ Howard. That would be a nice boost to his value.
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby Bot101 » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:24 pm

Pac_Eddy wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:20 pm
Rumor of the Patriots asking about the availability of OJ Howard. That would be a nice boost to his value.
Yeah and Tampa foolishly said no. Unless the Pats sent a really low ball offer, I dont get why Tampa wouldnt ship him off since hes being completely wasted there.

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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby mild » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:15 pm

Bot101 wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:24 pm
Pac_Eddy wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:20 pm
Rumor of the Patriots asking about the availability of OJ Howard. That would be a nice boost to his value.
Yeah and Tampa foolishly said no. Unless the Pats sent a really low ball offer, I dont get why Tampa wouldnt ship him off since hes being completely wasted there.
From a fantasy perspective yes. But from a blocking POV, he's actually helping to hold up an incredibly bad Offensive Line. That's the other shoe to this whole situation... that line is an abomination. OJH is a great blocker.

That's why he's staying home to face the rush whilst Brate leaks out for some crappy pass route.

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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby Pullo Vision » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:24 pm

Bot101 wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:24 pm
Pac_Eddy wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:20 pm
Rumor of the Patriots asking about the availability of OJ Howard. That would be a nice boost to his value.
Yeah and Tampa foolishly said no. Unless the Pats sent a really low ball offer, I dont get why Tampa wouldnt ship him off since hes being completely wasted there.
Chicago gave up on Greg Olsen because he didn't fit the coach's scheme. Trading talents because of short term reasons like not being used well/fully is foolish, even if my fantasy team would love it.
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby Cameron Giles » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:27 pm

badbuddah wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:21 pm
It's gotten to the point where I hope Arians has a heart attack or something and can't coach anymore because he has KILLED Howard's value and FREAKING kept him prisoner by refusing to trade him. In New England he immediately is a top 5 TE, but they won't release him from this hell, and for that I wish bad things upon Tampa and their ownership.
The issue isn't Arians or his system. It's that Howard isn't playing well as a blocker or a receiver. He's completely regressed. I'm sure he's frustrated with his role, but frustration shouldn't make you perform this bad.

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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:49 pm

I don't hear anybody complaining about Bruce Arians if they have Godwin on their teams. OJ Howard is an inconsistent football player, and has never elevated from that. It was his problem at Alabama, and still is. The idea of his athleticism is tantalizing, but he's just not playing well. To put it all on the coach is ridiculous.

It doesn't mean he can never be good. I won a case of beer in my home league betting Greg Olsen would be a top 5 TE when he left the Bears. Perhaps a change of scene would do OJ some good. It certainly did Amari Cooper some good, and I love Coop. Have been a truther from the beginning, but as a Raiders fan, he was not playing well for my team. He went to Dallas and it was a catalyst for him changing his career arc. It wasn't ALL on the Raiders and Gruden. Amari was playing poorly, and very inconsistently.
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