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OJ Howard Panic?

Postby blemly » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:20 pm

On the field almost every snap tonight. 0 targets. As someone who invested heavily in him this offseason, I’m shocked at the targets. Are people jumping ship now for some value or riding it out?
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby ghetto pimp » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:25 pm

Can't jump ship right now imo. Hold him.

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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby Jigga94 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:27 pm

Gotta hold... But I think that 4-6 tier (Engram and Henry includes) is just drifting further away from the top 3... I wouldn't blame someone for ranking Hock 4th in dynasty
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby bjd5211 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:31 pm

Jigga94 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:27 pm
Gotta hold... But I think that 4-6 tier (Engram and Henry includes) is just drifting further away from the top 3... I wouldn't blame someone for ranking Hock 4th in dynasty
I always had OJ at the bottom of the group of 4 (Henry, Njoku, Engram, OJ) behind the big 3, but ya I have Hockenson at least 4th now for sure. Hockenson might be my TE1 in dynasty by next year.

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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby jimmycricket14 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:35 pm

Man really thought he was in a tier of his own above Engram and Henry when the season started. I guess part of the problem is this Bucs offense is nowhere near as potent as we thought it was going to be. Not looking like a #3 option in this offense is going to be worth a whole lot. And he didn't help himself at all week 1 with all with his touches. Ouch... Probably not going to move him. Time to hit the waiver wire.

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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby FantasyFreak » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:35 pm

I traded him everywhere this off season, I am not at all surprised. Zero targets is obviously an outlier, but people saw him hitting Kittle, Kelce level, and I never did. I would also not be at all surprised if he gets hurt again.
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyuj » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:40 pm

Jigga94 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:27 pm
Gotta hold... But I think that 4-6 tier (Engram and Henry includes) is just drifting further away from the top 3... I wouldn't blame someone for ranking Hock 4th in dynasty
I would definitely agree with Howard and Henry being downgraded (and also with the Hock statement 100%), but I don't think you can drop Engram lower than before after the first game he had. He will be fed targets just as most people predicted, for as long as the Giants don't have anything else going on than him and Barkley. Which could realistically be quite some time.

So at least for fantasy purposes I'd say right now it's something like this:

Tier 0.5:
Kelce
Kittle

Tier 1:
Ertz
Hock (this may be early, but he has done nothing but stand out in almost everything he has done, from College tape to the combine to training camp to the very limited preseason to his first game. Guy is legit.)
Engram

Tier 2:
Howard (and as an owner I am VERY concerned that the Bruce Arians' TE doubters are being proven correct)
Njoku
Henry (though who knows at this point)

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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby FantasyFreak » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:45 pm

qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyuj wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:40 pm
Jigga94 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:27 pm
Gotta hold... But I think that 4-6 tier (Engram and Henry includes) is just drifting further away from the top 3... I wouldn't blame someone for ranking Hock 4th in dynasty
I would definitely agree with Howard and Henry being downgraded (and also with the Hock statement 100%), but I don't think you can drop Engram lower than before after the first game he had. He will be fed targets just as most people predicted, for as long as the Giants don't have anything else going on than him and Barkley. Which could realistically be quite some time.

So at least for fantasy purposes I'd say right now it's something like this:

Tier 0.5:
Kelce
Kittle

Tier 1:
Ertz
Hock (this may be early, but he has done nothing but stand out in almost everything he has done, from College tape to the combine to training camp to the very limited preseason to his first game. Guy is legit.)
Engram

Tier 2:
Howard (and as an owner I am VERY concerned that the Bruce Arians' TE doubters are being proven correct)
Njoku
Henry (though who knows at this point)

...
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About 10 other tight ends per personal preference. Waller, Herndon, Hooper, take your pick.
Call me crazy, but I'd rather have Goedert, and Hooper at their price point. Hooper will never be Kittle, but he can have 70 catches a year, pretty consistently IMO. Goedert is a better player than OJH, IMO. OJ did very little in college, and has been a big play guy in the NFL, while consistently getting hurt. The 3rd year is not at all encouraging, and I believed that once he got priced on the border of Kelce, Kittle and Ertz, it was cash out time. One more injury or a mediocre season and the allure would be over. He could still turn it around, not gloating, but that was my thought process.
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby Blueboy » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:34 pm

Thank god I only have him on rebuilding rosters. I'm willing to hold until either Arians is forced to change his tune, or a new coaching staff gets brought in post-Jameis.

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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby Straycatz2 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:10 pm

Really think it's all Arians doing. Never used TE and thinks of them as blockers. He did the same thing on the Cardinals.
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby FantasyFreak » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:58 pm

Straycatz2 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:10 pm
Really think it's all Arians doing. Never used TE and thinks of them as blockers. He did the same thing on the Cardinals.
IDK. OJ was an inconsistent big play guy in college, too, in terms of the passing game. Seems to be who he is, until he proves otherwise.
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby Cameron Giles » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:29 am

Panic when there's a larger sample size. He's a buy if you can find antsy owners. His talent and skill is too high to quit so easily

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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby ericanadian » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:37 am

Maybe people will have more respect for Heath Miller now... Arians consistently uses his TEs as blockers because he wants his QBs to hold on to the ball and allow the deep ball to develop. A lot of people were sure Howard would get work deep, but the reality is that they have receivers to go deep (though not sure how much more rope they can give to Perriman), and Howard is more valuable as a blocker in that offense. It won’t be this bad all year. Some games, the opponent is going to get a good rush and it will free up Howard to run some routes, but it will be tough sledding most of the year.
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:27 am

I don't know much about Brate, is he better at receiving than blocking? Is OJH better at both but being tasked with the blocking?
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Re: OJ Howard Panic?

Postby moishetreats » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:17 am

For the moment, I'm willing to chalk it up to Arians wanting to protect Winston more after Week 1 and help get the running game going. Howard is a fantastic athlete and pass-catcher, but he's also a fantastic run and pass blocker. Indeed, if we think back to his initial draft, he was so high on boards because his blocking insured that he wouldn't come off the field. That's an asset, one that Arians has been using.

That being said, there is cause for concern that this is more of a trend with Arians than a blip. We'll have to wait over the next few weeks to see if Arians tries to use Howard's receiving skill set or leaves that for Brate, a far less reliable blocker.
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