Kliff and Kyler...The New NFL, Massive bust, or something in between?

[FantasyFreak]

Let's discuss this new duo on the back of Lamarcus Joyner and Rex Ryan's comments about this offense.

[Cult of Dionysus]

Link to article: https://eu.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... 050594001/

[TheNuts]

All of this because of an odd preseason game when AZ said they aren't running anything until week 1. I think they will be fine. Murray may be the best running qb we have seen, and he is probably the best passer for a qb of his running caliber. Of course old school guy says They better be able to run!

[Cameron Giles]

I don't think they realize that NFL teams were using air raid offense last year. Browns, Chiefs, and Bucs all used it. The NFL has transitioned into more of this anyway, so I think the Cardinals will be fine.

[FuzzySignificance]

Link to article: https://eu.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... 050594001/

lol, rex ryan, next up: hue jackson talks about how to win games.

I expect the offense to mostly work. I expect Kyler to be mostly good. My biggest concern is that the defense looks so bad that they may only have the ball for 26 minutes/game (again).....which would be bad

[jenkins.math]

The most interesting thing I learned from the Cards in game 2 was that Washington State and Texas Tech were the 2 least blitzed teams in college. The commentator said that colleges dont have enough quality corners to blitz the air raid, but the NFL does. Which might explain why the Cards looked overwhelmed in game 2.

Obviously they weren't game planning, but something to monitor. I think there might be a larger learning curve doe both Kyler and Kliff than people thought.

[FantasyFreak]

I don't think they realize that NFL teams were using air raid offense last year. Browns, Chiefs, and Bucs all used it. The NFL has transitioned into more of this anyway, so I think the Cardinals will be fine.

Elements of it, not using it full on.

[FantasyFreak]

All of this because of an odd preseason game when AZ said they aren't running anything until week 1. I think they will be fine. Murray may be the best running qb we have seen, and he is probably the best passer for a qb of his running caliber. Of course old school guy says They better be able to run!

Lamar and Vick are better in this regard for sure, IMO. Arizona can say what they want, but no doubt their plan was not to have their QB running for his life in the preseason. Defences aren't showing much until week 1 either. Not showing plays and not showing protections are different things. I think that this is a good conversation to have since nobody has tried this offense to the level it will be run in AZ. Personally I think they will struggle, but it definitely is a good topic to discuss, as the NFL has not seen someone come in and try to run this system almost full on, yet.

[esloan35]

I think its fairly simply what the problem is in AZ. They can't freaking block anybody! Until they get some Oline help they will be a dumpster fire.

[Kurt G.O.A.T.]

haha, what's joyner gonna do to get rid of that pretty boy offense? stand at the back scratching his head while receivers run by him to catch the ball for a touchdown? he's the last person in the world that should be talking smack. he almost singlehandedly lost the nfc championship for the rams when he somehow allowed ginn to catch that criminally underthrown, waiting to be intercepted pass by brees. put your arms up you stiff.

[ArrylT]

If teams are/were using elements of the Air Raid offence previously, that would suggest then they also have some idea how to stop it also no?

Regardless, I think the key element for Arizona will be how long it takes and how successful they are at getting their O-line to work as a unit.

Also I am in an interesting situation in that I would like to see someone like Kyler Murray succeed while hoping the Cardinals & Kliff Kingsbury fail.

[Cameron Giles]

I don't think they realize that NFL teams were using air raid offense last year. Browns, Chiefs, and Bucs all used it. The NFL has transitioned into more of this anyway, so I think the Cardinals will be fine.

Elements of it, not using it full on.

Sure, but it's not like it was small stuff. These teams incorporated significant usage of air raid offense. The result? Tampa Bay put up numbers, KC had a 5000 yard QB, and Cleveland had a rookie put up big numbers. It's a big reason why Todd Monken ended up in Cleveland with Kitchens. Monken is a long-time air raid disciple.

There's going to be an adjustment for AZ, but the league is in the right spot for this offense to succeed. Rex Ryan criticizing it doesn't mean a ton to me, given that he historically hired vanilla offensive coordinators throughout his coaching tenure. Might as well have John Fox and Jeff Fisher chime in too.

[TheNuts]

I think its fairly simply what the problem is in AZ. They can't freaking block anybody! Until they get some Oline help they will be a dumpster fire.

Dumpster fire? That's overkill. Maybe it doesn't work as well as Kliff hopes, but I highly doubt the offense will be a dumpster fire with all the talent they have

[ericanadian]

The offensive line was bad last season and the only changes were guys coming back from injury. The Raiders pass rush was the worst in the NFL by a wide margin last year. The Raider defense absolutely ate the Arizona offensive line alive in the first half of that game and it wasn’t until the subs came on that Arizona made a game of it. That’s a huge red flag and I’m not sure you’re going to be able to get a read on the ability of the Air Raid or Kyler Murray to succeed until that gets fixed.

[Valhalla]

I don't think they realize that NFL teams were using air raid offense last year. Browns, Chiefs, and Bucs all used it. The NFL has transitioned into more of this anyway, so I think the Cardinals will be fine.

Elements of it, not using it full on.

Sure, but it's not like it was small stuff. These teams incorporated significant usage of air raid offense. The result? Tampa Bay put up numbers, KC had a 5000 yard QB, and Cleveland had a rookie put up big numbers. It's a big reason why Todd Monken ended up in Cleveland with Kitchens. Monken is a long-time air raid disciple.

There's going to be an adjustment for AZ, but the league is in the right spot for this offense to succeed. Rex Ryan criticizing it doesn't mean a ton to me, given that he historically hired vanilla offensive coordinators throughout his coaching tenure. Might as well have John Fox and Jeff Fisher chime in too.

Pretty much nailed my thoughts on this.

The worry I have...is that both the Browns and the Chiefs had pretty good offensive lines as well. I can’t speak to how good Tampa Bay’s line was. If the Cardinals offense is a bust, I don’t think it will be due to system. It will be due to lacking the OL to run ANY system with great results.