Derrick Henry Thread - Is he still King Henry post injury?

[bjd5211]

If you play full PPR then I would take Kamara as well. But Henry has handily outperformed him this year. I really don't like that the Saints decided to start giving a complete JAG (just a guy) in Latavius Murray so many touches.

As for Jacobs and Chubb I would be interested in hearing your reasoning for considering them significantly more valuable.

Henry is only 25 years old and has over 1,300 scrimmage yards and 13TD's with 5 games to go. He's outscored both of them despite the fact that he misused early in the season.

Because I'll be drafting them for what they will do going forward, not what they have done in the past. Derrick Henry is having another great end of the season, but he has a playing style and body type that historically does not age well at a position that already doesn't age well. He's going in to year 5 of his career, look around the league and this forum and tell me how valued RBs with 5+ years in the league are typically valued.

He's in year 4 right now and has only been getting significant carries for the last year and a half. He has 733 career carries.

Ezekiel Elliott has been in the league the same amount of time and has 350 more carries on his tires, I'd say he's pretty valuable right?

No way I'm taking question marks on awful career ruining football teams over a 25 year-old stud who has seen very limited usage up until recently.

He will be going into year 5 the next time anyone is drafting, and your original statement was "If your name isn't Saquon Barkley, Christian McCaffrey, or Ezekiel Elliott then you shouldn't be getting drafted ahead of Derrick Henry at this point."

Ezekiel Elliott is more talented player and has a more stable situation now that he's signed long-term to run behind the best OL in the league, whereas Henry is a Free Agent and could end up elsewhere.

David Johnson's "light workload" was once a bright spot for his value, how is that working out for him now?

Jacobs and Chubb have been awfully good too incase you haven't noticed, except they are younger and better in the receiving game than Henry.


Henry is a blatantly obvious sell high in the offseason, it might end up being a year early but you will get max value for him.

[Servo]

There is no telling that the dude kicks it into gear in November in December. I think I just saw on Twitter that his YPC goes from ~3.5 up to ~5.5 during these two months.

Wonder if it's because defenses get worn down, or if people just hate tackling him in cold weather lol. At this point, he could be a fringe RD1 redraft player

[Cameron Giles]

Henry's second straight season as a sell high and potentially a league winner

[Lord_Varys]

There is no telling that the dude kicks it into gear in November in December. I think I just saw on Twitter that his YPC goes from ~3.5 up to ~5.5 during these two months.

Wonder if it's because defenses get worn down, or if people just hate tackling him in cold weather lol. At this point, he could be a fringe RD1 redraft player

Every year, running backs become more valuable in December.
Every year, we draft them higher, and watch passing games light it up early in the year.
But every year, it's running backs that win leagues.

Defenses are tired and injured, it's harder to tackle in the cold, and teams find their playcalling rhythm. Whatever the root cause, it's not just Henry. He's just the most extreme example of it.

[pvillebiker]

^^ this

Which makes physical, punishing RB's that get volume in December (like Henry) worth their weight in fantasy gold!

[Cameron Giles]

Last 16 games:

#Cowboys RB Ezekiel Elliott - 314 carries for 1,350 yards and 7 TDs.

#Titans RB Derrick Henry - 319 carries for 1,725 yards and 18 TDs.

All those TDs probably make up for the lack of passing game usage.

[Lord_Varys]

Last 16 games:

#Cowboys RB Ezekiel Elliott - 314 carries for 1,350 yards and 7 TDs.

#Titans RB Derrick Henry - 319 carries for 1,725 yards and 18 TDs.

All those TDs probably make up for the lack of passing game usage.

Not like Zeke is getting targeted anyways.

[blemly]

Last 16 games:

#Cowboys RB Ezekiel Elliott - 314 carries for 1,350 yards and 7 TDs.

#Titans RB Derrick Henry - 319 carries for 1,725 yards and 18 TDs.

All those TDs probably make up for the lack of passing game usage.

Not like Zeke is getting targeted anyways.

Derrick Henry targets through week 13: 22
Zeke Elliott targets througb week 13: 56

56 targets is 9th in the league for RBs this year. Hasn’t been like his usage last year, but it isn’t like it’s anywhere close to where Henry is.

[Lord_Varys]

Last 16 games:

#Cowboys RB Ezekiel Elliott - 314 carries for 1,350 yards and 7 TDs.

#Titans RB Derrick Henry - 319 carries for 1,725 yards and 18 TDs.

All those TDs probably make up for the lack of passing game usage.

Not like Zeke is getting targeted anyways.

Derrick Henry targets through week 13: 22
Zeke Elliott targets througb week 13: 56

56 targets is 9th in the league for RBs this year. Hasn’t been like his usage last year, but it isn’t like it’s anywhere close to where Henry is.

Fair enough. I guess it feels like Zeke has less. He had way more last year, so this year feels worse.

[blemly]

Not like Zeke is getting targeted anyways.

Derrick Henry targets through week 13: 22
Zeke Elliott targets througb week 13: 56

56 targets is 9th in the league for RBs this year. Hasn’t been like his usage last year, but it isn’t like it’s anywhere close to where Henry is.

Fair enough. I guess it feels like Zeke has less. He had way more last year, so this year feels worse.

Yea he saw 90-something last year and it feels safe predicting that he will never but that number again. Zeke still gets enough usage on the ground to be a T5 dynasty RB, and you could argue that Henry’s usage keeps him as a T10 dynasty RB too.

[Lord_Varys]

Derrick Henry targets through week 13: 22
Zeke Elliott targets througb week 13: 56

56 targets is 9th in the league for RBs this year. Hasn’t been like his usage last year, but it isn’t like it’s anywhere close to where Henry is.

Fair enough. I guess it feels like Zeke has less. He had way more last year, so this year feels worse.

Yea he saw 90-something last year and it feels safe predicting that he will never but that number again. Zeke still gets enough usage on the ground to be a T5 dynasty RB, and you could argue that Henry’s usage keeps him as a T10 dynasty RB too.

I know we're way off topic now, but if someone like McDaniels became the HC, I think Zeke can get that receiving game work again.

[Orenthal Shames]

Has Tennessee learned from Dallas & LA? Rumor has it they aren't talking extension.

[nathanq42]

Has Tennessee learned from Dallas & LA? Rumor has it they aren't talking extension.

I am in the vein that no team (Real NFL or dynasty) should invest a lot into the RB position pay Henry likely around lets say 12 Million a year for the next few years with a tonne of it guaranteed vs paying a second or third round rookie pennies on the dollar and get a similar Impact?

Pay 3 firsts for Gurley/DJ/Bell a year or two ago, or use those three picks to snag any 3 of Barkley/CMC/Kamara/Mixon/Hunt/Cook/Fournette/Jacobs/Chubb/Kerryon/Michel/Singletary/Guice/Penny/Rojo/ in the rookie draft? Yes there have been some flat out busts and some still TBD, but in large you would have made out like a bandit selling off the old elites than if you bought them.

Imagine Selling DJ 2 years ago and ending up with CMC, Cook, and Chubb? Your team would be god mode

[bjd5211]

Has Tennessee learned from Dallas & LA? Rumor has it they aren't talking extension.

I am in the vein that no team (Real NFL or dynasty) should invest a lot into the RB position pay Henry likely around lets say 12 Million a year for the next few years with a tonne of it guaranteed vs paying a second or third round rookie pennies on the dollar and get a similar Impact?

Pay 3 firsts for Gurley/DJ/Bell a year or two ago, or use those three picks to snag any 3 of Barkley/CMC/Kamara/Mixon/Hunt/Cook/Fournette/Jacobs/Chubb/Kerryon/Michel/Singletary/Guice/Penny/Rojo/ in the rookie draft? Yes there have been some flat out busts and some still TBD, but in large you would have made out like a bandit selling off the old elites than if you bought them.

Imagine Selling DJ 2 years ago and ending up with CMC, Cook, and Chubb? Your team would be god mode

Or just franchise him for 2 years and then let him walk. It's a lot of money sure, but it's not the money that is the problem with RB contracts, it's the lack of Cap flexibility when you have them on the books for years, with the tag you are only on the hook for that immediate season.

[nathanq42]

Has Tennessee learned from Dallas & LA? Rumor has it they aren't talking extension.

I am in the vein that no team (Real NFL or dynasty) should invest a lot into the RB position pay Henry likely around lets say 12 Million a year for the next few years with a tonne of it guaranteed vs paying a second or third round rookie pennies on the dollar and get a similar Impact?

Pay 3 firsts for Gurley/DJ/Bell a year or two ago, or use those three picks to snag any 3 of Barkley/CMC/Kamara/Mixon/Hunt/Cook/Fournette/Jacobs/Chubb/Kerryon/Michel/Singletary/Guice/Penny/Rojo/ in the rookie draft? Yes there have been some flat out busts and some still TBD, but in large you would have made out like a bandit selling off the old elites than if you bought them.

Imagine Selling DJ 2 years ago and ending up with CMC, Cook, and Chubb? Your team would be god mode

Or just franchise him for 2 years and then let him walk. It's a lot of money sure, but it's not the money that is the problem with RB contracts, it's the lack of Cap flexibility when you have them on the books for years, with the tag you are only on the hook for that immediate season.

Sorry forgot about option 3, totally agree, I still wouldnt count it as an extension (I hate tags, they reaaaaaaallly suck for the players, and its a real slap in the face I would imagine... "We like you enough to pay you for one year but we doubt you are worth it for a multi year contract due to an expected decline in play or injury, so we will just wait you out as we work you to the point that we feared would come, then sign you for a discount or let you walk..... and you dont have any input into this deal, take it or retire"