Derrick Henry Thread - Is he still King Henry post injury?

[UATahoe]

There were at least 3 10 yard runs called back last night on phantom holding calls. Couple that with the fact that it then set them up with a 1st and 20 as opposed to 1st and 10, it had a huge impact on Henry and his potential stat line. Henry also could have helped himself had he caught that early screen pass that was setup for a significant gain.

[chubnubbin]

There were at least 3 10 yard runs called back last night on phantom holding calls. Couple that with the fact that it then set them up with a 1st and 20 as opposed to 1st and 10, it had a huge impact on Henry and his potential stat line. Henry also could have helped himself had he caught that early screen pass that was setup for a significant gain.

Yep, I am not too worried about him.

[Sriracha]

I saw a tweet that last 500 carries zeke and Henry have similar rushing yards and ypc but Henry has nearly twice the tds

Also has half as good of a O-line

Not really, PFF had the Titans as a top 5 OL or real close. Obviously Lewan being out hurts right now, but the Titans are among the best OLs in the league.

PFF just gave Douglas (the interim starting RG) a rating of 12 for that game. 12. Out of a 100. (The projected starting RG Pamphile is also injured)

This O-line is playing like trash, Henry has actually looked phenomenal with the exception of his high drop rate on screen passes this year.

[bjd5211]

Also has half as good of a O-line

Not really, PFF had the Titans as a top 5 OL or real close. Obviously Lewan being out hurts right now, but the Titans are among the best OLs in the league.

PFF just gave Douglas (the interim starting RG) a rating of 12 for that game. 12. Out of a 100. (The projected starting RG Pamphile is also injured)

This O-line is playing like trash, Henry has actually looked phenomenal with the exception of his high drop rate on screen passes this year.

Ok, but Zeke and Henry's last 500 carries were being compared and the comment was made that they were similar despite Zeke having the far superior line, which isn't true. The Titans OL has been one of the best for the last several years. Yes they had a bad game last night and may not be what they were, doesn't change their past performance though.

[Sriracha]

Not really, PFF had the Titans as a top 5 OL or real close. Obviously Lewan being out hurts right now, but the Titans are among the best OLs in the league.

PFF just gave Douglas (the interim starting RG) a rating of 12 for that game. 12. Out of a 100. (The projected starting RG Pamphile is also injured)

This O-line is playing like trash, Henry has actually looked phenomenal with the exception of his high drop rate on screen passes this year.

Ok, but Zeke and Henry's last 500 carries were being compared and the comment was made that they were similar despite Zeke having the far superior line, which isn't true. The Titans OL has been one of the best for the last several years. Yes they had a bad game last night and may not be what they were, doesn't change their past performance though.

Last year this line was terrible, until they were average toward the end of the season. At one point they were down 3 of the starting Tackles, and Conklin came back too early and was horrible.

Zeke has absolutely had the better line even with Frederick missing last season.

[ericanadian]

PFF just gave Douglas (the interim starting RG) a rating of 12 for that game. 12. Out of a 100. (The projected starting RG Pamphile is also injured)

This O-line is playing like trash, Henry has actually looked phenomenal with the exception of his high drop rate on screen passes this year.

Ok, but Zeke and Henry's last 500 carries were being compared and the comment was made that they were similar despite Zeke having the far superior line, which isn't true. The Titans OL has been one of the best for the last several years. Yes they had a bad game last night and may not be what they were, doesn't change their past performance though.

Last year this line was terrible, until they were average toward the end of the season. At one point they were down 3 of the starting Tackles, and Conklin came back too early and was horrible.

Zeke has absolutely had the better line even with Frederick missing last season.

Not a big believer in PFF, but they seem to believe the Tennessee line actually got worse towards the end of the season. As of week 10, they were ranked as the third best oline in the league. They finished 9th.

[Sriracha]

Ok, but Zeke and Henry's last 500 carries were being compared and the comment was made that they were similar despite Zeke having the far superior line, which isn't true. The Titans OL has been one of the best for the last several years. Yes they had a bad game last night and may not be what they were, doesn't change their past performance though.

Last year this line was terrible, until they were average toward the end of the season. At one point they were down 3 of the starting Tackles, and Conklin came back too early and was horrible.

Zeke has absolutely had the better line even with Frederick missing last season.

Not a big believer in PFF, but they seem to believe the Tennessee line actually got worse towards the end of the season. As of week 10, they were ranked as the third best oline in the league. They finished 9th.

PFF has some interesting rankings for O-line. I'm not sure exactly what they're grading scheme is there, but I think it's definitely broken.

For reference, ESPN's pass block win rate metric had Josh Kline rated as the worst starting O-lineman in the NFL (in pass protection), while Quinton Spain was rated 5th worst. Other services had the Titans O-line rated very low in pass protection as well (31st for most of the year according to football outsiders-- finishing 28th, and 31st worst according to playerprofiler)... yet PFF had them as an average pass blocking unit. I realize we're mostly talking about their run blocking (where they did grade higher) but I mention these discrepancies just to highlight why I'm especially suspect of PFF's O-line rankings.

[ArrylT]

With 4 TDs in 3 games, it will be interesting to see if Henry can repeat last years 12 TD performance. And apart from a matchup against the Bills, I do not really see any matchups to avoid plugging Henry into your lineup, at least as a flex option.

[Lord_Varys]

With 4 TDs in 3 games, it will be interesting to see if Henry can repeat last years 12 TD performance. And apart from a matchup against the Bills, I do not really see any matchups to avoid plugging Henry into your lineup, at least as a flex option.

Bills can be run upon. No fly zone is all.

[Factory of Sadness]

Henry is an interesting example of the dynasty discourse on a player being almost universally weighted. There's a presumption that 'Henry is trash' is the default opinion and people who like him are seen as defenders. Conversely, until recently received wisdom was that Corey Davis was a can't miss prospect and sceptics were seen as outliers. The value of both guys in a range of leagues suggests that these views were far from consensus, but Henry is still objectively cheap almost everywhere.
If you're buying big play ability, TD potential and the odd screen he rumbles a long way with- then he's a great buy.
If you think he's going to make consistent splash plays in the passing game or put up super consistent points in the dumpster fire that is the Titans O, then he isn't.
In a landscape of near total RBBC though, Henry stands out as a ridiculous value. He's playing well. The Titans have some linemen coming back and Mariota will either improve or be out of a job soon. Henry is a 25 year old RB who is a far from an all-round talent, but elite at what he does and likely to get 20 touches a week including goal line carries at which he excels. Screaming buy.

[Cameron Giles]

Currently:

RB5 in PPR
RB4 in Standard

On pace for 299/1331/13 on the ground.

After an offseason narrative that last season's finish was a fluke and that he couldn't catch enough passes in PPR to maintain relevancy, Henry is currently a Top-5 RB in any format. He's a free agent at the end of the season and it's unknown whether the Titans will retain him. So, it's possible that Henry could end up going to a better offense. Or, he may be franchised. Either way, Henry is having a hell of a season and you don't hear much about him on here.

[PR0v3]

Not really. He's good enough to put up numbers when the offense is centered around him, but it's hard to imagine an offense performing very well with him given his fairly one-dimensional skillset. His playstyle doesn't really fit modern offensive schemes, but he'll produce if his team wants to play stone age football and lose a bunch of games doing so. I think this is as good as it gets for him.

[RoyalPalmer]

This is going to be a tricky one going into the draft for me. Held strong after his fantastic ending performance last year. However, this year I feel like he could be a great sell high. I believe he has more years of Ingram like production, but wont end in the top 5 again. He will be 26 season, and had many games where he was in the 20-40% snap count his first two years, so there may not be too much rust. If he stays in TENN I will probably keep for another year, if he moves I'd be concerned that a different coach will try to put a square peg in a round hole.

[MrUbuto]

Yup he's elite. Thar entire Tennessee offense will all be viable starts once they get a new coach

[davidxhorn]

I think he is a lot better than people give him credit for. I sang from the mountain tops before this season to grab him, because a lot of his failures last year were simply Dion Lewis related. He is fast. Like fast fast. He is obviously a truck load, and if he keeps doing this year what he didn't do his first couple of years (don't tap dance) and he has a line that gives him a couple yards of space, he will perform. I'm not surprised at all (also might have $100 coming to me on a bet that he will finish as a top 10 back this year )