The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby jman3134 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:01 pm

^ Well that enhances the case though. It is all about value over replacement player. If most of the tight ends are middling around besides Kittle/Kelce/Ertz, and Burton struggles with injuries for most of the year (and they pick up another tight end for blocking schemes), I would say he has decent upside. Opportunity might finally be there and I have 0 idea what he can do after his injury last year really dampened his production. If 500 yards of offense is all it takes to be a top 17 TE (obviously not factoring in TDs etc), then he realistically might have a shot at some relative positional value.

I haven't watched enough tape on him to be fair. From what you all seem to be saying, the upside case isn't really there. So I think I am going to pass.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby BigBawseRoss » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:24 pm

jman3134 wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:01 pm
^ Well that enhances the case though. It is all about value over replacement player. If most of the tight ends are middling around besides Kittle/Kelce/Ertz, and Burton struggles with injuries for most of the year (and they pick up another tight end for blocking schemes), I would say he has decent upside. Opportunity might finally be there and I have 0 idea what he can do after his injury last year really dampened his production. If 500 yards of offense is all it takes to be a top 17 TE (obviously not factoring in TDs etc), then he realistically might have a shot at some relative positional value.

I haven't watched enough tape on him to be fair. From what you all seem to be saying, the upside case isn't really there. So I think I am going to pass.
not when theres no difference from te 6 to te 16. it just makes him another option of many similar options and gives you no positional edge.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby jman3134 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:31 pm

The fact that if he eclipses the 500 yard mark, he is borderline startable means that he could be worth a roster spot. It also says that the tight end position is not worth the investment, unless you really believe in holding for a high upside case.

It tells us what we already know: that the tight end position is far less important for winning our leagues than WR/RB/QB (absent TE premium leagues).
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby Mjvb5 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:34 pm

jman3134 wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:31 pm
The fact that if he eclipses the 500 yard mark, he is borderline startable means that he could be worth a roster spot. It also says that the tight end position is not worth the investment, unless you really believe in holding for a high upside case.

It tells us what we already know: that the tight end position is far less important for winning our leagues than WR/RB/QB (absent TE premium leagues).
Yes, aside from the guys who are the true positional difference makers or hove that’s potential.
So kelce, ertz, Kittle, Howard, engram and maybe Ebron or njoku or Henry depending on who you talk to. After that in non TE premium it’s an utter crap shoot

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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby rschroeder1 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:49 am

From a Bears fan perspective here: the biggest problem with Shaheen is that if you like the situation, he's entering free agency after the 2020 season. The Bears' impending cap crunch might actually work in his favor from a dynasty perspective in that he might be a cheap option for the Bears to resign if he hasn't produced all that much.

My interest in him primarily comes from GM Ryan Pace's ability to find small-school guys in the draft.

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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby M-Dub » Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:27 pm

jman3134 wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:01 pm
^ Well that enhances the case though. It is all about value over replacement player. If most of the tight ends are middling around besides Kittle/Kelce/Ertz, and Burton struggles with injuries for most of the year (and they pick up another tight end for blocking schemes), I would say he has decent upside. Opportunity might finally be there and I have 0 idea what he can do after his injury last year really dampened his production. If 500 yards of offense is all it takes to be a top 17 TE (obviously not factoring in TDs etc), then he realistically might have a shot at some relative positional value.

I haven't watched enough tape on him to be fair. From what you all seem to be saying, the upside case isn't really there. So I think I am going to pass.
It really depends on who you’d be dropping for him. If it’s for the team in your sig, there are at least a half-dozen guys with way less upside than Shaheen.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby ArrylT » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:47 am

https://beargoggleson.com/2019/09/01/ch ... on-week-1/
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/footb ... ce-sunday/

Solid chance (50/50) Burton is not good to go for Week I - so as good a time as any to see how much usage Shaheen can earn.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby jman3134 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:16 pm

ArrylT wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:47 am
https://beargoggleson.com/2019/09/01/ch ... on-week-1/
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/footb ... ce-sunday/

Solid chance (50/50) Burton is not good to go for Week I - so as good a time as any to see how much usage Shaheen can earn.
Thanks for alerting me. I just picked him up. Let's see how he does tonight.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby Space Cowboy » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:18 pm

I was surprised when someone waived him in my 16 TE premium a few weeks back. Turns out I might be immediate return, should be interesting. I loved him coming out.

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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby Shcritters » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:31 pm

Space Cowboy wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:18 pm
I was surprised when someone waived him in my 16 TE premium a few weeks back. Turns out I might be immediate return, should be interesting. I loved him coming out.
Let’s hope! I have him in a TE Super Premium and turned down a 2nd for him at the start of last year.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby jman3134 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:19 am

Well, that was disappointing. Anyone have any more nuanced thoughts?
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby GridironGuerilla » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:22 am

It was bad football all around. Not sure there is anything to be taken from it in regards to Shaheen.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby ArrylT » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:27 am

Yeah, if it had been Burton rather than Shaheen getting 2 targets, likely as not the assumption would be (imo) that the playcalling & game script were to blame. 31 of the targets went to ARob and the RBs.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby Cameron Giles » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:52 am

He needs more than opportunity at this point. He needs skill and talent.

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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Shaheen: Prognosis?

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:53 am

Cameron Giles wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:52 am
He needs more than opportunity at this point. He needs skill and talent.
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