Maybe in a normal year I could see that strategy. But in the year of covid, depth will help you contend now more than ever and opportunity is king.dlf_mikeh wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:18 amAs far as special, I see speed, power, and quickness -- but I've seen all that before.
He unreliable in the receiving game and they almost never ask him to pass block. Those were 2 of my biggest gripes and nothing has changed. He'll be useful as long as the Bucs ask him to run in a specific spot in the offensive line, but that's basically it. He's not yet a reliable week-to-week fantasy starter, Fournette will be returning next week, and I don't see the Bucs giving a long-term deal to a guy who's easily replaceable via a mid-day draft pick.
The only players I want on my fantasy teams are guaranteed starters or low-value players who flop or turn into a player I can flip. I don't want to cling to middle of the road guys, they do nothing but bog my rosters down. Not good enough to count on as a starter, but too good to drop, so they clog my bench. That's how I see RoJo.
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In my 2 RB leagues, I'd be all over dealing a 2nd for RoJo, regardless of roster.My BallZach Ertz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:15 amI wouldn't give a second for him if I was a contender.JAG_challam wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:13 am Not sure what you'd get for him at this point - maybe sell to an owner in full chip mode for a pick? What pick value does he have... 2nd?
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id buy him for a second
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This is a legendary thread in every way. I see 2 more years of this.
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Nah this is the last chance for the thread to be legendary.
Except for tomorrow.
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To be fair. Yesterday was the first time I've really watched RoJo. I like what I saw to be honest.
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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?
That catch of his, where he scooped the ball millimeters off the turf, rolled into the end zone untouched, but was ruled incomplete, then reversed, but still not allowed to be a TD because the whistle blew - was robbery ... highlight reel amaze-balls stuff.
But I have no stock in RoJo, whereas I do have stock in Evans, who got the score on the next play. So I can't say I minded how it went down lolol
Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?
Sold RoJo and some change for Gallup, so RoJo is definitely providing owners a chance to sell if they want to get out. His production hasn’t been an issue. two strong weeks, plus one on prime time, bye weeks approaching, injuries, and COVID impacts, there are without question will be buyers (as confirmed in this thread).
For me it comes down to that Fournette has been hurt, Vaughn just getting back, and McCoy out, has helped build this opportunity. He’s had catches but don’t see him as any natural catcher. With other options I don’t think he consistently gets that role. As mentioned, he also isn’t a trusted pass blocker. I just think this is the peak opportunity so chose to get out.
For me it comes down to that Fournette has been hurt, Vaughn just getting back, and McCoy out, has helped build this opportunity. He’s had catches but don’t see him as any natural catcher. With other options I don’t think he consistently gets that role. As mentioned, he also isn’t a trusted pass blocker. I just think this is the peak opportunity so chose to get out.
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So this is the last chance?FiremanEd wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:24 am Sold RoJo and some change for Gallup, so RoJo is definitely providing owners a chance to sell if they want to get out. His production hasn’t been an issue. two strong weeks, plus one on prime time, bye weeks approaching, injuries, and COVID impacts, there are without question will be buyers (as confirmed in this thread).
For me it comes down to that Fournette has been hurt, Vaughn just getting back, and McCoy out, has helped build this opportunity. He’s had catches but don’t see him as any natural catcher. With other options I don’t think he consistently gets that role. As mentioned, he also isn’t a trusted pass blocker. I just think this is the peak opportunity so chose to get out.
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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?
I don’t make ‘last chance’ type of claims. I state that I think this is a peak opportunity to sell given the mix of beneficial depth chart he’s received, production he gave, and the RB/NFL landscape as a whole. For some it doesn’t necessarily make sense to trade, either due to belief in RoJo, market price available, or simply needing what you can get at the position to stay afloat themselves. For me, I chose to sell because I felt it an opportune time. Whether it was or wasn’t, we’ll see. ‘Hot takes’ aren’t my thing. I just give my perspective.
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Agreed. Over a player's career, there are windows to buy and sell. Happened with Hopkins- Brock at QB, then trade to Arizona were two buy windows. RoJo's buy chance seems to have been when Fournette joined, and we seem to be enterting a window to get good value for RoJo.FiremanEd wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:15 am I don’t make ‘last chance’ type of claims. I state that I think this is a peak opportunity to sell given the mix of beneficial depth chart he’s received, production he gave, and the RB/NFL landscape as a whole. For some it doesn’t necessarily make sense to trade, either due to belief in RoJo, market price available, or simply needing what you can get at the position to stay afloat themselves. For me, I chose to sell because I felt it an opportune time. Whether it was or wasn’t, we’ll see. ‘Hot takes’ aren’t my thing. I just give my perspective.
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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?
Since his rookie draft, he's been valued mostly at 2nd round prices. Occasionally, he's dropped lower and briefly higher. I paired him with a 2nd to pick up the 2020 1.08 towards fantasy playoff time. My other share, I've never had an offer for a 2nd despite actively shopping him and doubt I'll sell for a 3rd.
My guess, he hovers in the 2nd to 3rd range this year unless LF goes down. He could have another sell high point if that were to happen, as he has put up good numbers when given volume.
My guess, he hovers in the 2nd to 3rd range this year unless LF goes down. He could have another sell high point if that were to happen, as he has put up good numbers when given volume.
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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?
It took him 3 years to be somewhat fantasy relevant, and going forward is no gimme for him at all. I suggested people draft Ridley, Chubb, Moore, and even Kerryon Johnson before RoJo. (I understand Kerryon bombed, but at the end of 2018 I sold all my shares of him for a profit and suggested everyone to do the same. I call that a win).Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:43 am Damn, went back and read the first 6 or so pages. There’s some serious gold there, especially by the OP. The effort is awesome, but a little humility might be in order. Learning lesson here for the teacher.
If anyone took RoJo they likely spent an early or mid 1st on him, and he's been a disappointment for nearly the entirety of his entire career. I'm fine with the advice I've given in regard to RoJo.
Now his value appears to be on the rise. Let's say RoJo's value right now is that of a 1st. If you own him, do you sell? If you spent a 1st rounder to acquire a guy that did you no good for three years and then sell for your money back, is that a "win"? Not in my eyes.
What's the business word for an asset that does nothing but take up space? That's what RoJo is.
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... how does this have anything to do with the patently wrong advice that the last opportunity to sell him was mid-August 2019? This thread has nothing to do with RoJo’s pre-draft evaluation, it’s about getting locked in to your original take and ignoring other evidence.dlf_mikeh wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:07 amIt took him 3 years to be somewhat fantasy relevant, and going forward is no gimme for him at all. I suggested people draft Ridley, Chubb, Moore, and even Kerryon Johnson before RoJo. (I understand Kerryon bombed, but at the end of 2018 I sold all my shares of him for a profit and suggested everyone to do the same. I call that a win).Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:43 am Damn, went back and read the first 6 or so pages. There’s some serious gold there, especially by the OP. The effort is awesome, but a little humility might be in order. Learning lesson here for the teacher.
If anyone took RoJo they likely spent an early or mid 1st on him, and he's been a disappointment for nearly the entirety of his entire career. I'm fine with the advice I've given in regard to RoJo.
Now his value appears to be on the rise. Let's say RoJo's value right now is that of a 1st. If you own him, do you sell? If you spent a 1st rounder to acquire a guy that did you no good for three years and then sell for your money back, is that a "win"? Not in my eyes.
What's the business word for an asset that does nothing but take up space? That's what RoJo is.
Here’s the TL;DR:
dlf_mikeh wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:07 amInstead, here’s even more effort to avoid any trace of humility!Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:43 am The effort is awesome, but a little humility might be in order. Learning lesson here for the teacher.
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Lol. Really dug in on that one now looking for some out. I’d just chalk this one up to a miss and move on. Even self proclaimed RB gurus aren’t perfect.dlf_mikeh wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:07 amIt took him 3 years to be somewhat fantasy relevant, and going forward is no gimme for him at all. I suggested people draft Ridley, Chubb, Moore, and even Kerryon Johnson before RoJo. (I understand Kerryon bombed, but at the end of 2018 I sold all my shares of him for a profit and suggested everyone to do the same. I call that a win).Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:43 am Damn, went back and read the first 6 or so pages. There’s some serious gold there, especially by the OP. The effort is awesome, but a little humility might be in order. Learning lesson here for the teacher.
If anyone took RoJo they likely spent an early or mid 1st on him, and he's been a disappointment for nearly the entirety of his entire career. I'm fine with the advice I've given in regard to RoJo.
Now his value appears to be on the rise. Let's say RoJo's value right now is that of a 1st. If you own him, do you sell? If you spent a 1st rounder to acquire a guy that did you no good for three years and then sell for your money back, is that a "win"? Not in my eyes.
What's the business word for an asset that does nothing but take up space? That's what RoJo is.
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