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Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:46 am
by ColdZealDonkeyStrike
Oh look, another Damien Williams thread with a cat fight :roll:

Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:08 am
by Phaded
ColdZealDonkeyStrike wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:46 am
Oh look, another Damien Williams thread with a cat fight :roll:
It'll be nice when the season starts and we can start having threads of substance again.

This Damien Williams nonsense has been going on for months, with the same sides making the same repetitive arguments and generally refusing to acknowledge the validity of both sides.

Instead, it turns into a pissing contest. There is a reason it is better to check out of most threads around here after a certain number of posts.

Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:18 am
by FantasyFreak
So 74 pages about 1 players theoretical production/role this year is enough?

Getting back to the thread title, I'm really interested to see Hyde's usage. I think there is a strong chance he is their preferred goal line back.

Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:23 am
by Phaded
Hyde definitely has the body type to be the goal-line option.

Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:30 am
by FantasyFreak
Phaded wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:23 am
Hyde definitely has the body type to be the goal-line option.
I find quotes like this interesting (despite the fact they say Williams is the starter).

“One thing with all of our backs is that we are coaching all of them to be the starter,” Bieniemy said. “Coaching all of them to take somebody’s job. At the end of the day we want to put the best players in the best situations to give us the best opportunity to win, so right now we want to watch how these guys compete; that’s the name of the game. We’re in training camp, we want to compete for a job. Who wants it, who can improve on the little things we worked on and talked about throughout the offseason. But when it’s all said and done with, let’s come out and maximize the opportunity being presented.”

At the end of the day, they will deploy these RB's however they feel gives them the best chance to win. It should be interesting to see.

Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:32 am
by Bot101
Hyde's body type fits perfectly on the bench.

Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:06 pm
by ericanadian
Is the general consensus that Hyde is a trash RB? He had a down year in San Francisco as their line was being reworked to fit the outside zone system in 2017 and last year Hyde was playing for two trash offenses (Cleveland’s offense didn’t really come alive until Mayfield came in and even then was inconsistent.) He’s clearly not elite, but he’s shown he can be effective in the right system. His time outside of Kansas City was substantially better than where Damien Williams was coming into last year.

Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:09 pm
by Phaded
Yeah, the consensus is that Hyde is awful.

Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:32 pm
by Bot101
ericanadian wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:06 pm
Is the general consensus that Hyde is a trash RB? He had a down year in San Francisco as their line was being reworked to fit the outside zone system in 2017 and last year Hyde was playing for two trash offenses (Cleveland’s offense didn’t really come alive until Mayfield came in and even then was inconsistent.) He’s clearly not elite, but he’s shown he can be effective in the right system. His time outside of Kansas City was substantially better than where Damien Williams was coming into last year.

2018 Browns
50% success, 5.2 YPC Chubb
49% success, 4.8 YPC Duke
38% success, 3.4 YPC Hyde

2018 Jags
47% success, 3.3 YPC Fournette
47% success,, 4.0 YPC Yeldon
40% success, 3.3 YPC Hyde

2017 49ers
47% success, 4.4 YPC Brieda
43% success, 3.9 YPC Hyde

Courtesy of Sharp Football. Yeah, theres a reason the consensus say Hyde is bad. Because he is. And he is a terrible fit for how KC uses RBs. If he makes the 53, they will get a bitter taste in actual games.

Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:53 pm
by DJB
:wave:

I be just sitting here eating popcorn watching this thread

Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:14 pm
by trc
Bot101 wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:32 pm
ericanadian wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:06 pm
Is the general consensus that Hyde is a trash RB? He had a down year in San Francisco as their line was being reworked to fit the outside zone system in 2017 and last year Hyde was playing for two trash offenses (Cleveland’s offense didn’t really come alive until Mayfield came in and even then was inconsistent.) He’s clearly not elite, but he’s shown he can be effective in the right system. His time outside of Kansas City was substantially better than where Damien Williams was coming into last year.

2018 Browns
50% success, 5.2 YPC Chubb
49% success, 4.8 YPC Duke
38% success, 3.4 YPC Hyde

2018 Jags
47% success, 3.3 YPC Fournette
47% success,, 4.0 YPC Yeldon
40% success, 3.3 YPC Hyde

2017 49ers
47% success, 4.4 YPC Brieda
43% success, 3.9 YPC Hyde

Courtesy of Sharp Football. Yeah, theres a reason the consensus say Hyde is bad. Because he is. And he is a terrible fit for how KC uses RBs. If he makes the 53, they will get a bitter taste in actual games.
Dwill pre Kansas average is 3.9 YPC, as a change-of-pace back..
If he can manage to improve that, so can Hyde.

Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:23 pm
by ericanadian
Bot101 wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:32 pm
ericanadian wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:06 pm
Is the general consensus that Hyde is a trash RB? He had a down year in San Francisco as their line was being reworked to fit the outside zone system in 2017 and last year Hyde was playing for two trash offenses (Cleveland’s offense didn’t really come alive until Mayfield came in and even then was inconsistent.) He’s clearly not elite, but he’s shown he can be effective in the right system. His time outside of Kansas City was substantially better than where Damien Williams was coming into last year.

2018 Browns
50% success, 5.2 YPC Chubb
49% success, 4.8 YPC Duke
38% success, 3.4 YPC Hyde

2018 Jags
47% success, 3.3 YPC Fournette
47% success,, 4.0 YPC Yeldon
40% success, 3.3 YPC Hyde

2017 49ers
47% success, 4.4 YPC Brieda
43% success, 3.9 YPC Hyde

Courtesy of Sharp Football. Yeah, theres a reason the consensus say Hyde is bad. Because he is. And he is a terrible fit for how KC uses RBs. If he makes the 53, they will get a bitter taste in actual games.
Not sure on the success rate because I don’t have the time to run those numbers myself, but in games 9-15, when both Fournette & Hyde were playing, Hyde ran a 3.9 YPC and Fournette ran a 3.3 YPC, Yeldon ran a 3.5 YPC.

As I said before, Cleveland wasn’t the same before Mayfield took over and while I’m sure Duke & Chubb were more more efficient, they were not even close to the same role as Hyde at that point.

Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:27 pm
by DJB
Not sure if D Williams is playing this pre season game but Hyde got the start at RB

Edit: Tyreek and Damian Williams arent playing

Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:30 pm
by SkinZ187
yes, williams is dressed and will come in later im guessing.

HYDE TD!!!

(if you own damien, go sell now... like, right now.... not tomorrow, not the next day... RIGHT NOW)

Re: RBBC in Kansas City

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:54 pm
by mild
Darwin and Hardman, flashing on this drive... be still my beating heart.