Let’s talk... David Montgomery

[Orenthal Shames]

What really sold me on him was his 109 total broken tackles last year. That’s the highest figure ever seen over a single-season in either college or the NFL over the course of PFF’s grading.

[AussieMate]

Monty is loved by a lot of people and I constantly hear experts talking him up as possibly the best back. His biggest knock after metrics is the fact that both Sanders and Jacobs were drafted a lot higher in the NFL and a lot of his hype involves him looking like Kareem Hunt and as someone already mentioned even Hunt may not be Hunt outside of The Chiefs. Personally I like him a lot but at the moment I have all three of them fairly close together in ranking.

[HereForTheComments]

Here's are all the 3rd round Rb's I have stats for, you can kind of look for yourself if Montgomerys profile looks good in comparison to others. I personally think running a 4.6x+ kind of puts you in another category of player, and when looking at those Rb's that have run that "slow" it's quite a mixture of hits, misses and everything inbetween. I think Thomas, Greene, and Gore all stacked together kind of says it all, he could be a HOF'er, a plodding compiler, or just a flat out bust.

I appreciate the feedback, I am just looking for something more than just combine numbers. I mean, he ran a 4.57 at his pro day. If you switch out his combine 40 with his pro day 40 and his numbers become comparable to Alvin Kamara. Not saying he is, just saying, combine metrics are not always very reliable.

Besides his metrics, it's there anything else... maybe from film... that should give us pause?

[HereForTheComments]

I heard Montgomery being compared to Shonn Greene. He was a solid RB when healthy, but no one is claiming All Pro potential. Kareem Hunt had a lot of positive film review and great senior bowl. There were questions on his level of competition and what kind of player was Hunt going to be? Small and fast or big and strong, his weight fluctuated a lot by the time he entered the combine. Then Hunt goes to an ideal situation in KC. I don't think they are comparable as players in the least bit.

The Kareem Hunt comparison is only in regards to his metrics from the combine, not to them as players....

[jcc6fd]

Here's are all the 3rd round Rb's I have stats for, you can kind of look for yourself if Montgomerys profile looks good in comparison to others. I personally think running a 4.6x+ kind of puts you in another category of player, and when looking at those Rb's that have run that "slow" it's quite a mixture of hits, misses and everything inbetween. I think Thomas, Greene, and Gore all stacked together kind of says it all, he could be a HOF'er, a plodding compiler, or just a flat out bust.

I appreciate the feedback, I am just looking for something more than just combine numbers. I mean, he ran a 4.57 at his pro day. If you switch out his combine 40 with his pro day 40 and his numbers become comparable to Alvin Kamara. Not saying he is, just saying, combine metrics are not always very reliable.

Besides his metrics, it's there anything else... maybe from film... that should give us pause?

Aren’t combine metrics considered more reliable than pro day numbers?

[Friction]

He went number 2 in all of my rookie drafts last weekend, besides the one where Murray went first....

[ninotoreS]

Beat reporters keep buzzing about Mike Davis's performance in camp. Somewhat lost now in the midst of Montgomery's hype is the fact that Davis is getting paid more than a #3 RB should get, and the coaching staff has repeatedly avowed how pleased they are about landing Davis in free-agency.

I'm thinking the Bears backfield could be frustratingly Patriots-esque this year.

[HereForTheComments]

Here's are all the 3rd round Rb's I have stats for, you can kind of look for yourself if Montgomerys profile looks good in comparison to others. I personally think running a 4.6x+ kind of puts you in another category of player, and when looking at those Rb's that have run that "slow" it's quite a mixture of hits, misses and everything inbetween. I think Thomas, Greene, and Gore all stacked together kind of says it all, he could be a HOF'er, a plodding compiler, or just a flat out bust.

I appreciate the feedback, I am just looking for something more than just combine numbers. I mean, he ran a 4.57 at his pro day. If you switch out his combine 40 with his pro day 40 and his numbers become comparable to Alvin Kamara. Not saying he is, just saying, combine metrics are not always very reliable.

Besides his metrics, it's there anything else... maybe from film... that should give us pause?

Aren’t combine metrics considered more reliable than pro day numbers?

I don't know how that could be... we are talking 40 times. Unless the combine has a special stop watch, or something lol

[jcc6fd]

I appreciate the feedback, I am just looking for something more than just combine numbers. I mean, he ran a 4.57 at his pro day. If you switch out his combine 40 with his pro day 40 and his numbers become comparable to Alvin Kamara. Not saying he is, just saying, combine metrics are not always very reliable.

Besides his metrics, it's there anything else... maybe from film... that should give us pause?

Aren’t combine metrics considered more reliable than pro day numbers?

I don't know how that could be... we are talking 40 times. Unless the combine has a special stop watch, or something lol

They literally do. It’s laser timed versus being hand timed at pro days. This is why playerprofiler adds 0.05 seconds to players 40 times that only run at their pro days because they’re typically faster

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Aren’t combine metrics considered more reliable than pro day numbers?

I don't know how that could be... we are talking 40 times. Unless the combine has a special stop watch, or something lol

It's a more structured setting. Every player is tested in the same environment at the same time by the same people. They also do some sort of review/confirmation of the 40 times as well.

[FantasyFreak]

Aren’t combine metrics considered more reliable than pro day numbers?

I don't know how that could be... we are talking 40 times. Unless the combine has a special stop watch, or something lol

It's a more structured setting. Every player is tested in the same environment at the same time by the same people. They also do some sort of review/confirmation of the 40 times as well.

Pro day times are almost ALWAYS timed faster. This is known. Treadwell certainly knew it. It takes the eye about .05 seconds to see the player start to move before you hit your watch. It's the human reaction time. Player Profiler adjusts for this. The NFL combine adjusts their times to correct it, but pro days do not have this. So if a guy runs a 4.55 at a pro day, he basically ran a 4.6. Montgomery ran a 4.57 or 4.58 at his pro day, so it confirms his combine time of 4.63.

[Krypto_King]

I have searched the forums and I'm not really able to find any real breakdown of David Montgomery to explain why he isn't higher on boards other than his "metrics". I am not sure how his metrics can be viewed as an issue when his metrics are basically identical to Kareem Hunt and no one is worried about him.

Can anyone help breakdown what it is that doesn't make him the clear #2, or even possibly #1, in rookie drafts outside of metrics? What am I not seeing, because, on film, he looks like the best back in this class.

Hunt has 2 years of elite play in the actual NFL. No one rated Hunt as elite out of the combine. I'd also argue Hunt looked way better on tape but that's arbitrary. good news is we'll find out pretty soon what he looks like against NFL competition

[TheNuts]

I appreciate the feedback, I am just looking for something more than just combine numbers. I mean, he ran a 4.57 at his pro day. If you switch out his combine 40 with his pro day 40 and his numbers become comparable to Alvin Kamara. Not saying he is, just saying, combine metrics are not always very reliable.

Besides his metrics, it's there anything else... maybe from film... that should give us pause?

Aren’t combine metrics considered more reliable than pro day numbers?

I don't know how that could be... we are talking 40 times. Unless the combine has a special stop watch, or something lol

How are pro day 40 times almost always faster than combine times?

[HereForTheComments]

Aren’t combine metrics considered more reliable than pro day numbers?

I don't know how that could be... we are talking 40 times. Unless the combine has a special stop watch, or something lol

They literally do. It’s laser timed versus being hand timed at pro days. This is why playerprofiler adds 0.05 seconds to players 40 times that only run at their pro days because they’re typically faster

Just learned something new. I don't watch the combines, so I never knew they used lasers... I guess they do have a special stop watch lol

[Lord_Varys]

David Montgomery is my 1.01 of this class.
- Agility/elusiveness, balance/power/tackle breaking, receiving, and explosion/burst are the Big 4 traits for me, and he is stellar in 3 of them. Explosion is not great but plenty of RBs can get by without it.
- Unlike Jacobs, Monty has already proven that he can handle a big workload.
- He is in a great offensive system, on a team that should be facing good game scripts. And frankly, a brusing RB in cold Chicago weather is going to be even stronger come fantasy playoffs.

40-yard dash is the least important metric for running backs. I don't even look at it unless it is way higher or slower than I expected. Holyfield lost a lot of ground based on his, but Monty's was sufficient. If you are running in wide open space then the defense did something wrong, or you did something great to get there.

I can see the argument for Jacobs since he should get more volume, but he has a red flag in that we have no clue how he'll hold up to the volume.

I *can't* see why people don't see how people still don't see it with Monty.