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Re: Let’s talk... AJ Green

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:07 am

FantasyFreak wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:29 am I think AJG can play into his mid 30's. While this injury is not ideal, I don't think it's the type of injury that will force him to have a shortened career. He wants to be in the HOF. He has a high motor, and wants to have a lengthy career.
What Green wants may not matter though. Lower body injuries have been prevalent for him the last few years, and this is an ominous start to 2019 as well. I wouldn't pay more than a late 1st at this point, if that.
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Re: Let’s talk... AJ Green

Postby FantasyFreak » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:26 am

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:07 am
FantasyFreak wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:29 am I think AJG can play into his mid 30's. While this injury is not ideal, I don't think it's the type of injury that will force him to have a shortened career. He wants to be in the HOF. He has a high motor, and wants to have a lengthy career.
What Green wants may not matter though. Lower body injuries have been prevalent for him the last few years, and this is an ominous start to 2019 as well. I wouldn't pay more than a late 1st at this point, if that.
I agree, but none are what would be called career threatening. It's unfortunate, but the way that DB landed on his foot, he could have been 24 and still have suffered the same injury.
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Re: Let’s talk... AJ Green

Postby meineymoe » Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:36 pm

I think his offer is a fair one. As a Green owner, I'm in hold mode because I can't get value offers for him even when he isn't injured.
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Re: Let’s talk... AJ Green

Postby Pullo Vision » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:46 pm

I'd been considering going after him for a win now team. Owner started a mini sell off to rebuild, so I eventually offered Funchess and 2 2nds. Ended up revoking- getting inquiries for Funchess and expect those 2nds to get better returns.
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Re: Let’s talk... AJ Green

Postby Bot101 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:25 pm

Green has become one of those players that if hes on your team hes not going anywhere, and if he isnt you cant buy him.

I personally have zero interest in buying AJG at anywhere near the price that his current owners would want. I dont want to be the one without a chair when the music stops.

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Re: Let’s talk... AJ Green

Postby Shcritters » Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:55 pm

Bot101 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:25 pm Green has become one of those players that if hes on your team hes not going anywhere, and if he isnt you cant buy him.

I personally have zero interest in buying AJG at anywhere near the price that his current owners would want. I dont want to be the one without a chair when the music stops.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels this way. He seems like the type of player who will end his fantasy career on the rosters of those who currently own him - he is always going to be perceived by the owner to be worth more than he actually is. I hope that he doesn’t fall off the cliff with all the lower body injuries and their impact on his body, but I don’t think I would be willing to bet it DOESN’T happen at the current price he is at. Not everyone can be Larry Fitzgerald or Jerry Rice...
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Re: Let’s talk... AJ Green

Postby Pac_Eddy » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:02 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:07 am
FantasyFreak wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:29 am I think AJG can play into his mid 30's. While this injury is not ideal, I don't think it's the type of injury that will force him to have a shortened career. He wants to be in the HOF. He has a high motor, and wants to have a lengthy career.
What Green wants may not matter though. Lower body injuries have been prevalent for him the last few years, and this is an ominous start to 2019 as well. I wouldn't pay more than a late 1st at this point, if that.
Just ask Calvin Johnson about lower body injuries taking their toll.
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Re: Let’s talk... AJ Green

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:50 pm

Pac_Eddy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:02 pm
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:07 am
FantasyFreak wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:29 am I think AJG can play into his mid 30's. While this injury is not ideal, I don't think it's the type of injury that will force him to have a shortened career. He wants to be in the HOF. He has a high motor, and wants to have a lengthy career.
What Green wants may not matter though. Lower body injuries have been prevalent for him the last few years, and this is an ominous start to 2019 as well. I wouldn't pay more than a late 1st at this point, if that.
Just ask Calvin Johnson about lower body injuries taking their toll.
I don't think they are nearly the same. Calvin didn't even really practice and could barely walk at times. Also, the last injury he had was a finger injury, which was what made him call it quits.

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Re: Let’s talk... AJ Green

Postby ninotoreS » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:30 pm

I read Calvin quotes saying he'd get out of bed every morning and wouldn't be able to flex his ankles at all.

He had a lot of problems. I wish I had been paying better attention at the time.

Regarding Green, I'll say as a former sad Megatron owner that while there were subtle indications Megatron was losing his will to play in his last couple of seasons (which I ignored), even with the benefit of that hindsight, I do not now get that impression from Green. Whether or not his body betrays him going forward, unlike Calvin at the end, I don't think motivation itself is an issue with Green.
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Re: Let’s talk... AJ Green

Postby ericanadian » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:02 pm

Pac_Eddy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:02 pm
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:07 am
FantasyFreak wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:29 am I think AJG can play into his mid 30's. While this injury is not ideal, I don't think it's the type of injury that will force him to have a shortened career. He wants to be in the HOF. He has a high motor, and wants to have a lengthy career.
What Green wants may not matter though. Lower body injuries have been prevalent for him the last few years, and this is an ominous start to 2019 as well. I wouldn't pay more than a late 1st at this point, if that.
Just ask Calvin Johnson about lower body injuries taking their toll.
A lot of people though Andre Johnson was washed up with his hamstring issues well before he put up two more massive seasons at 31 & 32. Marques Colston was regarded as a ticking time bomb with his microfracture surgery in his knees early in his career and was productive until 31.

The big drop off in production for AJ in 2017 was almost entirely due to a drop off in the deep ball (20+ DoT) (which was because the line was garbage and there was no time to properly develop deep routes.) I think he’s probably fot a few more productive years left in him.
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Re: Let’s talk... AJ Green

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:47 am

ericanadian wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:02 pm
Pac_Eddy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:02 pm
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:07 am
What Green wants may not matter though. Lower body injuries have been prevalent for him the last few years, and this is an ominous start to 2019 as well. I wouldn't pay more than a late 1st at this point, if that.
Just ask Calvin Johnson about lower body injuries taking their toll.
A lot of people though Andre Johnson was washed up with his hamstring issues well before he put up two more massive seasons at 31 & 32. Marques Colston was regarded as a ticking time bomb with his microfracture surgery in his knees early in his career and was productive until 31.

The big drop off in production for AJ in 2017 was almost entirely due to a drop off in the deep ball (20+ DoT) (which was because the line was garbage and there was no time to properly develop deep routes.) I think he’s probably fot a few more productive years left in him.
AJG was a WR1 last time he was on the field last year, so yeah. I think he's got a few good years left. Even if he's a WR2, instead of a WR1, that's still a guy you can start.
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Re: Let’s talk... AJ Green

Postby ArrylT » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:18 am

Interesting stat I saw in a ESPN article:

"According to ESPN Stats & Info, the Bengals’ winning percentage drops from .599 to .324 when Green hasn’t been on the field. Last year, Green missed seven games with a right toe injury, the longest absence of his career."

https://www.espn.com/blog/cincinnati-be ... een-is-out
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Re: Let’s talk... AJ Green

Postby Life of Pablo » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:11 am

ArrylT wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:18 am Interesting stat I saw in a ESPN article:

"According to ESPN Stats & Info, the Bengals’ winning percentage drops from .599 to .324 when Green hasn’t been on the field. Last year, Green missed seven games with a right toe injury, the longest absence of his career."

https://www.espn.com/blog/cincinnati-be ... een-is-out
I'm a biased AJG owner, but the dude is a beast. And he still can be in my opinion. I would peg his value at late 1st, but you may be able to get him cheaper.

He was having the best year of his CAREER in 2016 before that injury after 9 games (played like 1 snap in game #10). 2017, his last fully healthy season, was also unfortunately a dumpster fire of a season for him and the rest of the Bengals offense. And then 2018 was back to form before another injury after 8 games (again, played like 1 snap in game #9).

16-game pace stats for those 3 years:
2016 - 176 tgt's, 117 / 1714 / 7 (!)
2017 - 143 tgt's, 75 / 1078 / 8
2018 - 152 tgt's, 90 / 1374 / 12


FYI, those 2018 numbers would've been good for #7 in targets, #10 in receptions, #8 in yards, and #3 (tie) in TDs.

If you're in need of WR help and your 2nd can you net you AJG, I think that's absolutely worth the risk. Having said that, I'm not one who shies away from players with the dreaded "injury-prone" label. But if he stays healthy he can still be a very solid WR1.
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AJ Green Remaining Dynasty value

Postby olmansmith » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:01 am

What's AJ Green's value at this point in his career? He's been injured for a few seasons in a row now but still plays at an elite level when back. Dalton just got benched but he's likely to move after this year. still seems like his window is closing to be valuable/trade-able.

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Re: AJ Green Remaining Dynasty value

Postby TimeWillTell » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:07 am

So this one happened in my league a few days ago (not involved)
A gave AJ Green
B gave 2020 1st (likely 1.10-1.12)+M. Brown

I think that's way high for him, personally, but the new Green owner thinks he got a steal haha
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