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Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:21 pm
by cazzie33
djeternal2 wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:06 pm
cazzie33 wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:42 pm
This thread is "Fake News" ... not a single pick in 3 pages is from Clarion so none are "Contrarian Picks " :snooty:
CC is still putting chisel to stone tablet. His contrarian picks will be in around 2050.
And here I thought he was a visionary but it turns out his vision is supposedly 20/50 . Or are you saying he already knows the draft class for 2050 :think: Now that would be legendary & historical , if not hysterical {much like the Conner/ Samuels debate}

Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:40 pm
by ArrylT
bjd5211 wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:07 pm
I'm not "punishing" him for missing the playoffs, I was never a big fan of his to begin with even when he was healthy and playing well.

As for the player comparisons I wasn't so much comparing their playing styles and abilities, but more so that they were average RBs that performed well early and soon faded away to irrelevance and I see Conner doing the same.
Fair enough - it is quite possible I misunderstood your context. I thought you meant it like that because he wasnt around come playoff time that his value was in part overrated and then of course your belief his value will fade sooner than later just reinforced it as being overrated.

One of the most challenging things with dynasty football is we sometimes have to make decisions with much less data / information / tape that we do with other sports like baseball, hockey or football. So like I said, I have no issue with your perspective. It is a risk you have to take due to the short time frame we deal with. By the time some players are proven to be elite in the eyes of many - they may already be reaching peak value or passing it (ie if your career is only 7-8 years and you need 2-3 of those years to convince owners of their value).

Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:36 pm
by TheNuts
pvillebiker wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:51 am
dmac37 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:33 pm
Devonta Freeman finishes as a top 6 RB in PPR this season
Jax Jags become more balanced with BDN Foles replacing Bortles & the Jags defense returns to 2017 form and they go to the super bowl
Aaron Rodgers bounces back and is still the top QB in NFL and FF
Jaylen Samuels is the RB to own by the end of the year in Pittsburgh
really? Hope you're right as I happen to have a few shares of Samules, mostly from last year's run.

Is this a statement that Connor won't stay healthy or a double-deep contrarian that Jaylen outplays Conner for the starting gig?
I prefer the term Double penetration contrarion

Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:28 pm
by JFever
I’m on the other side of the fence here with Conner. His situation is ideal. The real level of compitetion for touches is minimal. He is a true three down work horse with great work ethic, clean off the field with little to no baggage, has his coaching staff and qb in his corner, has a nose for the end zone, and they are poised to run the ball more than last year. Last year the Steelers passed the ball 675 times and ran it 300 times. I fully expect those numbers to trend more toward a balanced approach and the player that will benifit from that will be James Conner. My contrarion take here is that if healthy, J.Conner (who just turned 24 years old) finishes as a top 8 fantasy producing Rb.

Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:36 pm
by ArrylT
Considering he was RB6 in 2018 with 13 games, that seems like a very solid projection (assuming similar volume).

Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am
by Lord_Varys
https://twitter.com/notJDaigle/status/1 ... 1059284993

Add another risk to David Johnson this year. His 1.05 price tag assumes he's going to be the volume bellcow that he was under Arians. There's so much up in the air with his situation and people are assuming the best.

Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:18 am
by bjd5211
Lord_Varys wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am
https://twitter.com/notJDaigle/status/1 ... 1059284993

Add another risk to David Johnson this year. His 1.05 price tag assumes he's going to be the volume bellcow that he was under Arians. There's so much up in the air with his situation and people are assuming the best.
Where is he going 1.05? There's no way anyone takes him over Saquon, Zeke, CMC or Kamara and that's just at RB. Is anyone taking him over Nuk, OBJ, Adams or MT?

Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:31 am
by FantasyFreak
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:18 am
Lord_Varys wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am
https://twitter.com/notJDaigle/status/1 ... 1059284993

Add another risk to David Johnson this year. His 1.05 price tag assumes he's going to be the volume bellcow that he was under Arians. There's so much up in the air with his situation and people are assuming the best.
Where is he going 1.05? There's no way anyone takes him over Saquon, Zeke, CMC or Kamara and that's just at RB. Is anyone taking him over Nuk, OBJ, Adams or MT?
I think he means redraft? Guys like Sigmund Bloom are hyping him hard. Bloom is currently erecting a pyramid in honor of Kyler and Kliff, though.

Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:37 am
by Dynasty DeLorean
FantasyFreak wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:31 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:18 am
Lord_Varys wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am
https://twitter.com/notJDaigle/status/1 ... 1059284993

Add another risk to David Johnson this year. His 1.05 price tag assumes he's going to be the volume bellcow that he was under Arians. There's so much up in the air with his situation and people are assuming the best.
Where is he going 1.05? There's no way anyone takes him over Saquon, Zeke, CMC or Kamara and that's just at RB. Is anyone taking him over Nuk, OBJ, Adams or MT?
I think he means redraft? Guys like Sigmund Bloom are hyping him hard. Bloom in currently erecting a pyramid in honor of Kyler and Kliff, though.
I got him at 1.05 in my first bestball and felt like I died and went to heaven. I don't think people understand just how much the QB and coaching hurt him last season. What was that ridiculous stat, the one where they ran DJ up the middle like 80 more times than any other running back?

Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:57 am
by Sriracha
Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:37 am
FantasyFreak wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:31 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:18 am


Where is he going 1.05? There's no way anyone takes him over Saquon, Zeke, CMC or Kamara and that's just at RB. Is anyone taking him over Nuk, OBJ, Adams or MT?
I think he means redraft? Guys like Sigmund Bloom are hyping him hard. Bloom in currently erecting a pyramid in honor of Kyler and Kliff, though.
I got him at 1.05 in my first bestball and felt like I died and went to heaven. I don't think people understand just how much the QB and coaching hurt him last season. What was that ridiculous stat, the one where they ran DJ up the middle like 80 more times than any other running back?
Yea, some people are taking him over Gordon, Nuk, Davante right after the big 4. It's not even that crazy, he's already shown the ability to be the RB1 and while he's 27 he has very little tread on his tires; and there is a massive premium on winning now placed on most Dynasty startups.

Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:23 am
by smbkrypt24
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:18 am
Lord_Varys wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am
https://twitter.com/notJDaigle/status/1 ... 1059284993

Add another risk to David Johnson this year. His 1.05 price tag assumes he's going to be the volume bellcow that he was under Arians. There's so much up in the air with his situation and people are assuming the best.
Where is he going 1.05? There's no way anyone takes him over Saquon, Zeke, CMC or Kamara and that's just at RB. Is anyone taking him over Nuk, OBJ, Adams or MT?
He went 1.09 before Hopkins, OBJ, and Thomas. I was quite surprised as I had 1.10 and was happy to take Hopkins.

Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:53 am
by Lord_Varys
Sorry, folks, I was talking about redraft/bestball...forget this is a dynasty forum sometimes cuz I'm a dolt.
Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:37 am
FantasyFreak wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:31 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:18 am


Where is he going 1.05? There's no way anyone takes him over Saquon, Zeke, CMC or Kamara and that's just at RB. Is anyone taking him over Nuk, OBJ, Adams or MT?
I think he means redraft? Guys like Sigmund Bloom are hyping him hard. Bloom in currently erecting a pyramid in honor of Kyler and Kliff, though.
I got him at 1.05 in my first bestball and felt like I died and went to heaven. I don't think people understand just how much the QB and coaching hurt him last season. What was that ridiculous stat, the one where they ran DJ up the middle like 80 more times than any other running back?
Assuming health, 1.05 is about his ceiling. I think you got a little too happy there. No way he outscores a healthy Zeke, Saquon, or Kamara.

Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:01 am
by Sriracha
Lord_Varys wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:53 am
Sorry, folks, I was talking about redraft/bestball...forget this is a dynasty forum sometimes cuz I'm a dolt.
Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:37 am
FantasyFreak wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:31 am


I think he means redraft? Guys like Sigmund Bloom are hyping him hard. Bloom in currently erecting a pyramid in honor of Kyler and Kliff, though.
I got him at 1.05 in my first bestball and felt like I died and went to heaven. I don't think people understand just how much the QB and coaching hurt him last season. What was that ridiculous stat, the one where they ran DJ up the middle like 80 more times than any other running back?
Assuming health, 1.05 is about his ceiling. I think you got a little too happy there. No way he outscores a healthy Zeke, Saquon, or Kamara.
Neither Zeke, Saquon, or Kamara have come close to his 2016 season output. And they're certainly not still up at the 1.05 :ewink:

Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:03 am
by bjd5211
DJ isn't getting close to 2016 again either

Re: Top Contrarian Picks

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:04 am
by Sriracha
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:03 am
DJ isn't getting close to 2016 again either
Because you say so?