June Rookie ADP Observations

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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby remedy29 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:12 am

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What's your knock on fant and hock? They seem like potentially generational talent? Why shoildndeebo go ahead of them?
Fant and Hock are BOTH generational talent?!? Wow, I haven't heard that anywhere. If these guys had a .001% chance at being a generational talent, why are they not the slam dunk 1.01 and 1.02 rookie picks?
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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby bjd5211 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:18 am

remedy29 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:12 am
MrUbuto wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:20 am
What's your knock on fant and hock? They seem like potentially generational talent? Why shoildndeebo go ahead of them?
Fant and Hock are BOTH generational talent?!? Wow, I haven't heard that anywhere. If these guys had a .001% chance at being a generational talent, why are they not the slam dunk 1.01 and 1.02 rookie picks?
"Generational Talent" might be a bit strong, but if anyone in this draft is considered the best in the league at their position 5 years from now it's going to be Hock and/or Fant.

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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:28 am

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Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:41 am
it seems like Henderson dominate this season one of the games best players in one of the games best offences

Gurley is a Bust
wow, strong takes from Arry
Kind of misrepresenting a bit here, no? He said there is a "constant drumbeat from another segment (of people) that Gurley is a bust."
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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:58 am

FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:28 am
Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:55 am
ArrylT wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:41 am
it seems like Henderson dominate this season one of the games best players in one of the games best offences

Gurley is a Bust
wow, strong takes from Arry
Kind of misrepresenting a bit here, no? He said there is a "constant drumbeat from another segment (of people) that Gurley is a bust."
I guess I have a strange sense of humor.

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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby Cult of Dionysus » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:49 am

Hock could be great. I don't see it with Fant.

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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby jcc6fd » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:56 am

ArrylT wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:41 am
.Before NFL landings were known Hendersons ADP in Mocks was ranging from 80-90. It immediately dropped 20 spots in May, due to his landing spot (ie perceived as being blocked) but now it is at 70 and trending upward fast. Lets repeat that for a second.

His pre-draft ADP was already top 100.

http://www.mizelle.net/mfl/2019/

He was one of only 7 2019 Rookie players whose ADP on Mizelle was constantly above 100 for the Feb-April pre-draft mock period.

That suggests there was a healthy segment of the dynasty community that was high on Henderson even before his landing spot & draft pedigree was known (3rd round for RBs is pretty solid).
This was a helpful exercise. I knew that some were high on him prior to the Gurley news, and I attributed that mostly to his gaudy YPC and a generally weak RB class. Setting those feelings aside it made me pause to think that Henderson was generally viewed as a top 10 prospect prior to the draft. Considering the uncertainty in that offense, 1.06 does seem more "reasonable" or maybe rather "the price to play."

I won't be investing at that level and when it's all said and done I think the biggest winners of this saga will be those who get AJ Brown at 1.07-1.08 because a player like Henderson caused him to fall.
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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby IZigUZag » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:25 am

jcc6fd wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:56 am
ArrylT wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:41 am
.Before NFL landings were known Hendersons ADP in Mocks was ranging from 80-90. It immediately dropped 20 spots in May, due to his landing spot (ie perceived as being blocked) but now it is at 70 and trending upward fast. Lets repeat that for a second.

His pre-draft ADP was already top 100.

http://www.mizelle.net/mfl/2019/

He was one of only 7 2019 Rookie players whose ADP on Mizelle was constantly above 100 for the Feb-April pre-draft mock period.

That suggests there was a healthy segment of the dynasty community that was high on Henderson even before his landing spot & draft pedigree was known (3rd round for RBs is pretty solid).
This was a helpful exercise. I knew that some were high on him prior to the Gurley news, and I attributed that mostly to his gaudy YPC and a generally weak RB class. Setting those feelings aside it made me pause to think that Henderson was generally viewed as a top 10 prospect prior to the draft. Considering the uncertainty in that offense, 1.06 does seem more "reasonable" or maybe rather "the price to play."

I won't be investing at that level and when it's all said and done I think the biggest winners of this saga will be those who get AJ Brown at 1.07-1.08 because a player like Henderson caused him to fall.
The top RB prospects from this class cycle between Josh Jacobs, Miles Sanders, and Darrell Henderson depending on who you ask (perhaps there are some Singletary/Montgomery truthers out there, but they're not as loud). The people that think Henderson's value is entirely tied to Gurley are mistaken; he's a pretty exciting prospect in his own right. He's literally the most efficient RB in NCAA history; lower competition or not-- that's impressive. Even if he plays a complementary role to Gurley this season, his floor is closer to flex than his ceiling. His ceiling is Kamara.

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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby ninotoreS » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:32 pm

jcc6fd wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:10 pm
I almost made JJAW an underrated player in my analysis. Just thought he was going at about the right spot at 15th
I'm reluctant to even talk about JJAW. I love his ADP...
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:12 am
Fant and Hock are BOTH generational talent?!? Wow, I haven't heard that anywhere. If these guys had a .001% chance at being a generational talent, why are they not the slam dunk 1.01 and 1.02 rookie picks?
Was Kittle picked there in his rookie-draft?

Kelce? Graham? Ertz? Gronk?

TEs are never picked that high because TEs in 1TE leagues just aren't sexy picks. I got Kelce in the middle of the 2nd round in his fairly weak rookie-draft class. I think Kittle went like round 4-6 in his (or even undrafted).

For the record: I disagree that Fant is a generational prospect -- he's too raw to be considered such. Hock, though...
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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:41 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:58 am
FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:28 am
Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:55 am


wow, strong takes from Arry
Kind of misrepresenting a bit here, no? He said there is a "constant drumbeat from another segment (of people) that Gurley is a bust."
I guess I have a strange sense of humor.
My apologies. I missed it. I was pretty tired.
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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby ArrylT » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:24 am

FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:41 pm
Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:58 am
FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:28 am


Kind of misrepresenting a bit here, no? He said there is a "constant drumbeat from another segment (of people) that Gurley is a bust."
I guess I have a strange sense of humor.
My apologies. I missed it. I was pretty tired.
Yes my initial post was a little on the long side so I can see how it made you tired. :lol: :ewink:
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby Valhalla » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:21 am

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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:24 am

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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby MrUbuto » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:39 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:18 am
remedy29 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:12 am
MrUbuto wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:20 am
What's your knock on fant and hock? They seem like potentially generational talent? Why shoildndeebo go ahead of them?
Fant and Hock are BOTH generational talent?!? Wow, I haven't heard that anywhere. If these guys had a .001% chance at being a generational talent, why are they not the slam dunk 1.01 and 1.02 rookie picks?
"Generational Talent" might be a bit strong, but if anyone in this draft is considered the best in the league at their position 5 years from now it's going to be Hock and/or Fant.
Because moat people play 1TR non-TE premium.

Hock is going 1.1 in a lot of start 2 TE leagues.
QB - DWatson(HOU)Winston(TB)Finely(DEN)
RB - TGurley(LAR)DJohnson(ARI)NChubb(CLE)DHenry(TEN)
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TE - HHenry(SD)ISmith(MIN)
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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby IZigUZag » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:46 am

MrUbuto wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:39 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:18 am
remedy29 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:12 am


Fant and Hock are BOTH generational talent?!? Wow, I haven't heard that anywhere. If these guys had a .001% chance at being a generational talent, why are they not the slam dunk 1.01 and 1.02 rookie picks?
"Generational Talent" might be a bit strong, but if anyone in this draft is considered the best in the league at their position 5 years from now it's going to be Hock and/or Fant.
Because moat people play 1TR non-TE premium.

Hock is going 1.1 in a lot of start 2 TE leagues.
Hock is the best TE prospect since..... OJ Howard. :lol: Wouldn't say he's generational (unless you want to say both are generational talents-- which I might agree with) but he's a truly elite prospect in a draft with a whole lot of question marks walking into a great situation. He's probably being undervalued even in most 1 TE leagues.

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Re: June Rookie ADP Observations

Postby bjd5211 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:07 am

Ya 2TE League Hock is a strong 1.01 rookie pick and I wouldn't bat an eye a Fant going 1.02. If it's 2TE + TE Premium they are absolutely my top 2 picks unless it's 2QB as well.


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