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Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:25 am
by Lord_Varys
lukkynumber13 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:58 am
]No, I’m saying as a runner as well. He didn’t ever get more than what was blocked, not that I saw. Zero juice.
I think he has deceptive speed and quickness. I found his vision and contact balance to be elite, and he's quicker than he is fast.

I was also surprised how poorly he fit into the passing game, though. I remember him having an excellent receiving touchdown in the CFP his last year in school.

Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:31 am
by ColdZealDonkeyStrike
I moved Sony for Lockett and Coutee before the injury buzz was popping up. I am pretty happy with that move.

Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:40 am
by briank
joeday wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:04 am
A lot of talk about Gurley, especially after the Rams took DH, but what do we think about Sony? He also is not participating in mini camps and the Patriots also took a talented RB in the 3rd round.
I have some concern long term, like Gurley, but I'm not worried about them this season at all. He should be ready for training camp. Both situations are overblown IMO.

Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:41 am
by MrUbuto
Lord_Varys wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:25 am
lukkynumber13 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:58 am
]No, I’m saying as a runner as well. He didn’t ever get more than what was blocked, not that I saw. Zero juice.
I think he has deceptive speed and quickness. I found his vision and contact balance to be elite, and he's quicker than he is fast.

I was also surprised how poorly he fit into the passing game, though. I remember him having an excellent receiving touchdown in the CFP his last year in school.
He was a great pass catcher in college. That's what I assumed they were bringing him in as. Primary passing threat that CAN run through the tackles.

Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:46 pm
by ninotoreS
ColdZealDonkeyStrike wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:31 am
I moved Sony for Lockett and Coutee before the injury buzz was popping up. I am pretty happy with that move.
Made out like a bandit, in my opinion.

Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:51 pm
by mayhem927
ninotoreS wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:46 pm
ColdZealDonkeyStrike wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:31 am
I moved Sony for Lockett and Coutee before the injury buzz was popping up. I am pretty happy with that move.
Made out like a bandit, in my opinion.
Lol I was just offered Elijah McGuire and a late 5th rounder for Sony. You got a much better offer.

Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:19 pm
by briank
ninotoreS wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:46 pm
ColdZealDonkeyStrike wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:31 am
I moved Sony for Lockett and Coutee before the injury buzz was popping up. I am pretty happy with that move.
Made out like a bandit, in my opinion.
Meh. I got Hopkins for Michel and Cooper.

Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:43 pm
by smbkrypt24
briank wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:19 pm
ninotoreS wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:46 pm
ColdZealDonkeyStrike wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:31 am
I moved Sony for Lockett and Coutee before the injury buzz was popping up. I am pretty happy with that move.
Made out like a bandit, in my opinion.
Meh. I got Hopkins for Michel and Cooper.
Cool story bro.
He can’t have made a good deal since yours was better?

Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:54 pm
by Lord_Varys
I got Cooper for Michel straight up right after the Super Bowl. What's high score mean? Did I break it?

Then flipped Harris for Foreman to the same owner. Jury still out on that one. I think Harris will do a lot of good things this year. Foreman just an upside gamble.

Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:11 pm
by briank
smbkrypt24 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:43 pm
briank wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:19 pm
ninotoreS wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:46 pm


Made out like a bandit, in my opinion.
Meh. I got Hopkins for Michel and Cooper.
Cool story bro.
He can’t have made a good deal since yours was better?
No, I think the deal was OK. I certainly don't think he, "made out like a bandit." I just think he could have gotten better value. I don't like selling low and buying high, which is how I view that trade. I didn't post my trade to brag. I posted it to show that better value can be had. No need to be a douche.

Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:00 pm
by Johnny B. Goode
sell. fast

Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:01 pm
by Johnny B. Goode
briank wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:11 pm

No need to be a douche.
Kettle meet pot

Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:22 pm
by hoos89
Johnny B. Goode wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:00 pm
sell. fast
Maybe worth checking in your league, but I don't think now is the time. Would be better waiting until the season starts, I think.

Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:43 pm
by Cowboysfan33
hoos89 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:22 pm
Johnny B. Goode wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:00 pm
sell. fast
Maybe worth checking in your league, but I don't think now is the time. Would be better waiting until the season starts, I think.
Definitely wait, at this point. After news came out that he had his knee scoped, that scared any potential buyers away, even though he should definitely be ready for the season. Once the season starts and he puts up a couple of solid games, that’s the time to sell.

Re: How concerned are we about Sony?

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:51 pm
by ninotoreS
briank wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:11 pm
No, I think the deal was OK. I certainly don't think he, "made out like a bandit." I just think he could have gotten better value. I don't like selling low and buying high, which is how I view that trade. I didn't post my trade to brag. I posted it to show that better value can be had. No need to be a douche.
Lockett is the newly minted #1 for one of the league's premier QBs, and is coming off the most efficient season by a WR in NFL history. Coutee is 22, already owns a couple of NFL records, and is poised to be fantasy valuable with one of the other very best QBs in the league for the next decade. They're both red-hot offseason darlings with regard to their perceived breakout potential this year (check twitter if you doubt it).

Sony Michel is already 24 with a chronic knee problem, seems to be only a 2-down back, and is in an offense notorious for RB committee hell. In stark contrast to Lockett/Coutee, Michel's stock has been falling all offseason. He's shaping up to be Steven Ridley v2. How likely do you think it is he's still fantasy valuable in 3-4 years? Coutee and Lockett probably will be.


Regardless, getting Hopkins for Michel and Cooper is outrageous. The owner who did that trade with you is incompetent. Hopkins is a target monster superstar in his prime, a super elite, fantasy championship winning top 3 WR1. Amari Cooper is a WR2, Michel is an RB2 draped in red flags. It's a ridiculous trade, and no sort of rational standard to present to others.