Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
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Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
I’m wondering how closely these two are being drafted to each other and whether or not we can use this data to figure out where to trade back to if you’re just targeting one of these TEs. Please vote if you’ve already done a rookie draft.
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
In a superflex draft at 2.01 I was deciding on the two an ended up picking Fant; Hockenson was the next pick. In a another, 1QB league, Hockenson went 1.10 and Fant at 2.04.
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
1.6 and 1.9
1.9 and 1.11
1.6 and 1.7
1.9 and 1.12
1.9 and 1.11
1.6 and 1.7
1.9 and 1.12
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12 Team SF, PPR, TE Prem., DT prem., IDP Start 10, QB, 1SF, 2-4 RB, 2-5 WR, 1-3 TE, 2DL, 2LB, 2DB, 1 IDPflex
QB: J. Fields, B. Mayfield, G. Smith, M. Mariota, S. Darnold
RB: T. Etienne, T. Pollard, S. Barkley, J.Jacobs A. Jones, , A. Gibson, D. Harris, Z. Moss, E. Elliott
WR: G. Wilson, T. Higgins, T. McLaurin C. Kirk, D. Hopkins, K. Toney. K. Osborn, M. Hardman
TE: T.J. Hockenson, K. Pitts, H. Henry
DL: M. Parsons, Q. Williams, D. Buckner, R. Gary
LB: F. Oluokun, R. Smith, A. Anzalone. L. David
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QB: J. Fields, B. Mayfield, G. Smith, M. Mariota, S. Darnold
RB: T. Etienne, T. Pollard, S. Barkley, J.Jacobs A. Jones, , A. Gibson, D. Harris, Z. Moss, E. Elliott
WR: G. Wilson, T. Higgins, T. McLaurin C. Kirk, D. Hopkins, K. Toney. K. Osborn, M. Hardman
TE: T.J. Hockenson, K. Pitts, H. Henry
DL: M. Parsons, Q. Williams, D. Buckner, R. Gary
LB: F. Oluokun, R. Smith, A. Anzalone. L. David
DB: B. Baker, J. Metellus, R. Grant
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
Hock has gone at least 6-7 rookies ahead of Fant in all 3 drafts. Crazy, if you ask me.
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
I've begun studying Fant.
He's been falling down my board since i started. It's not a freefall, but it might be if this overall class were better.
He plays soft even by move-TE standards, and I'm not sure he's actually good at catching footballs. I had Hock and Fant pretty close a month ago, but that's changed now. Fant is a superb athlete, but right now that's all he is.
He's been falling down my board since i started. It's not a freefall, but it might be if this overall class were better.
He plays soft even by move-TE standards, and I'm not sure he's actually good at catching footballs. I had Hock and Fant pretty close a month ago, but that's changed now. Fant is a superb athlete, but right now that's all he is.
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
id put hock at a tier above fant. he graded out as a top 5 nfl prospect for all to see. he doesn't get taken 1.1 in our drafts...cause its fantasy and te's are meh. plain and simple here...Id rather own hock from day 1 than hope to get either of the 2 with an early 2nd. I think he's fine to grab at 5 if somebody wants him...I think the real play is to get 6 and bait it, if you don't get what you like in terms of an offer, hock is the pick. at the end of the day...you know that you need to be in the 7-10 range and hope hock falls or be left settling for fant. if either is your target....7-12 would lock up either.id rather make the move up to 5 or 6 and lock up hockenson.OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 7:31 pm I’m wondering how closely these two are being drafted to each other and whether or not we can use this data to figure out where to trade back to if you’re just targeting one of these TEs. Please vote if you’ve already done a rookie draft.
Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
I've done 8 drafts so far and neither of them have lasted longer than 12th overall.
Their draft slot in each of those leagues:
Hockenson: 8th, 7th, 9th (SF league), 12th (SF), 6th (SF), 8th (SF), 11th (SF), 7th
Fant: 9th, 9th, 12th (SF), 12th (SF), 9th (SF), 12th (SF), 10th (SF), 10th
Their draft slot in each of those leagues:
Hockenson: 8th, 7th, 9th (SF league), 12th (SF), 6th (SF), 8th (SF), 11th (SF), 7th
Fant: 9th, 9th, 12th (SF), 12th (SF), 9th (SF), 12th (SF), 10th (SF), 10th
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
Did a draft last night. 2 QB PPR league.
Hock went 1.08 Fant went 1.12
Hock went 1.08 Fant went 1.12
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
In all of my drafts, Hock and Fant have either gone one after the other or within two spots. I mostly play in TE Premium or 2TE leagues, for what it's worth.
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RB: Bijan, ETN, Pollard, Achane, Herbert
WR: Kupp, Hill, Metcalf, Ridley, Jeudy, D.J. M, Burks, Hollywood, Wan'Dale
TE: Kyle Pitts, Goedert
Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
They are close, I have seen Fant go ahead of Hock in one of money leagues.
His game looks to translate well in today’s NFL as a move type TE and out of the slot.
I have them both with 1sr round grades; Hock is two picks higher imo but who knows for sure.
Fant should have a better rookie year due to Qb/system.
His game looks to translate well in today’s NFL as a move type TE and out of the slot.
I have them both with 1sr round grades; Hock is two picks higher imo but who knows for sure.
Fant should have a better rookie year due to Qb/system.
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
Hock went first in all three below
1.09, 2.02
1.06, 2.04
2.06, 2.09 (I made a trade to grab Hock at 2.06 here)
1.09, 2.02
1.06, 2.04
2.06, 2.09 (I made a trade to grab Hock at 2.06 here)
Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
It is going to be interesting for sure - even 2 years later on the 2017 class we dont have any real separation on Howard/Engram & Njoku as the 3rd lagging a little behind so I fully expect that Hockenson/Fant & Smith may follow the same path. And this 2019 TE class could be as deep as the 2017 one, so don't be too surprised if a Kittle like TE pops up as well.
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
Ironically I just realized Kittle came from the same school as Hockenson & Fant, so his success may have subconsciously influenced the rise of the other 2.
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..
Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
Don't forget Dallas Clark. The Hawkeyes have produced a lot of good TEs. I think the ability to feature the position and send TEs up to the pros leads to better recruiting and then the better recruiting coupled with the system leads to more prospects finding NFL success, so the two kind of reinforce each other.
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12 Team SF, PPR, TE Prem., DT prem., IDP Start 10, QB, 1SF, 2-4 RB, 2-5 WR, 1-3 TE, 2DL, 2LB, 2DB, 1 IDPflex
QB: J. Fields, B. Mayfield, G. Smith, M. Mariota, S. Darnold
RB: T. Etienne, T. Pollard, S. Barkley, J.Jacobs A. Jones, , A. Gibson, D. Harris, Z. Moss, E. Elliott
WR: G. Wilson, T. Higgins, T. McLaurin C. Kirk, D. Hopkins, K. Toney. K. Osborn, M. Hardman
TE: T.J. Hockenson, K. Pitts, H. Henry
DL: M. Parsons, Q. Williams, D. Buckner, R. Gary
LB: F. Oluokun, R. Smith, A. Anzalone. L. David
DB: B. Baker, J. Metellus, R. Grant
*5 leagues (est. 2015, '17, '18, '18, '22, 6 total 'ships)
12 Team SF, PPR, TE Prem., DT prem., IDP Start 10, QB, 1SF, 2-4 RB, 2-5 WR, 1-3 TE, 2DL, 2LB, 2DB, 1 IDPflex
QB: J. Fields, B. Mayfield, G. Smith, M. Mariota, S. Darnold
RB: T. Etienne, T. Pollard, S. Barkley, J.Jacobs A. Jones, , A. Gibson, D. Harris, Z. Moss, E. Elliott
WR: G. Wilson, T. Higgins, T. McLaurin C. Kirk, D. Hopkins, K. Toney. K. Osborn, M. Hardman
TE: T.J. Hockenson, K. Pitts, H. Henry
DL: M. Parsons, Q. Williams, D. Buckner, R. Gary
LB: F. Oluokun, R. Smith, A. Anzalone. L. David
DB: B. Baker, J. Metellus, R. Grant
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP
In the 12 Team PPR rookie drafts that I’ve been in so far, it’s been Hock-1.06, Fant-1.09, Hock-1.05, Fant-1.10, Hock-1.07, Fant-1.09. I think Fant will probably have the better fantasy numbers, at least starting off, it seems like the Lions are going to a more run based approach, so I’m not sure that Hockenson will get a bunch of targets.