Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

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How far apart did Hock and Fant go in your rookie draft?

One after another (i.e. 7th and 8th)
8
15%
1 Pick apart (i.e. 7th and 9th)
8
15%
2 Picks apart
6
11%
3 Picks apart
12
22%
4+ Picks apart
21
38%
 
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Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Sun May 26, 2019 7:31 pm

I’m wondering how closely these two are being drafted to each other and whether or not we can use this data to figure out where to trade back to if you’re just targeting one of these TEs. Please vote if you’ve already done a rookie draft.
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby Hottoddies » Sun May 26, 2019 7:43 pm

In a superflex draft at 2.01 I was deciding on the two an ended up picking Fant; Hockenson was the next pick. In a another, 1QB league, Hockenson went 1.10 and Fant at 2.04.

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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby _yeti » Sun May 26, 2019 7:55 pm

1.6 and 1.9
1.9 and 1.11
1.6 and 1.7
1.9 and 1.12
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby lukkynumber13 » Sun May 26, 2019 8:36 pm

Hock has gone at least 6-7 rookies ahead of Fant in all 3 drafts. Crazy, if you ask me.
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby ninotoreS » Sun May 26, 2019 10:00 pm

I've begun studying Fant.

He's been falling down my board since i started. It's not a freefall, but it might be if this overall class were better.

He plays soft even by move-TE standards, and I'm not sure he's actually good at catching footballs. I had Hock and Fant pretty close a month ago, but that's changed now. Fant is a superb athlete, but right now that's all he is.
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby sloth8u » Sun May 26, 2019 10:03 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 7:31 pm
I’m wondering how closely these two are being drafted to each other and whether or not we can use this data to figure out where to trade back to if you’re just targeting one of these TEs. Please vote if you’ve already done a rookie draft.
id put hock at a tier above fant. he graded out as a top 5 nfl prospect for all to see. he doesn't get taken 1.1 in our drafts...cause its fantasy and te's are meh. plain and simple here...Id rather own hock from day 1 than hope to get either of the 2 with an early 2nd. I think he's fine to grab at 5 if somebody wants him...I think the real play is to get 6 and bait it, if you don't get what you like in terms of an offer, hock is the pick. at the end of the day...you know that you need to be in the 7-10 range and hope hock falls or be left settling for fant. if either is your target....7-12 would lock up either.id rather make the move up to 5 or 6 and lock up hockenson.

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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby bjd5211 » Sun May 26, 2019 10:57 pm

I've done 8 drafts so far and neither of them have lasted longer than 12th overall.

Their draft slot in each of those leagues:

Hockenson: 8th, 7th, 9th (SF league), 12th (SF), 6th (SF), 8th (SF), 11th (SF), 7th

Fant: 9th, 9th, 12th (SF), 12th (SF), 9th (SF), 12th (SF), 10th (SF), 10th

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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby DynastyDeepDive » Mon May 27, 2019 3:48 am

Did a draft last night. 2 QB PPR league.

Hock went 1.08 Fant went 1.12
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby Blueboy » Mon May 27, 2019 5:35 am

In all of my drafts, Hock and Fant have either gone one after the other or within two spots. I mostly play in TE Premium or 2TE leagues, for what it's worth.

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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby Ice » Mon May 27, 2019 6:16 am

They are close, I have seen Fant go ahead of Hock in one of money leagues.

His game looks to translate well in today’s NFL as a move type TE and out of the slot.

I have them both with 1sr round grades; Hock is two picks higher imo but who knows for sure.

Fant should have a better rookie year due to Qb/system.

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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby Dawkins20 » Mon May 27, 2019 6:57 am

Hock went first in all three below
1.09, 2.02
1.06, 2.04
2.06, 2.09 (I made a trade to grab Hock at 2.06 here)

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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby ArrylT » Mon May 27, 2019 7:35 am

It is going to be interesting for sure - even 2 years later on the 2017 class we dont have any real separation on Howard/Engram & Njoku as the 3rd lagging a little behind so I fully expect that Hockenson/Fant & Smith may follow the same path. And this 2019 TE class could be as deep as the 2017 one, so don't be too surprised if a Kittle like TE pops up as well.
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby ArrylT » Mon May 27, 2019 7:38 am

Ironically I just realized Kittle came from the same school as Hockenson & Fant, so his success may have subconsciously influenced the rise of the other 2.
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby _yeti » Mon May 27, 2019 9:16 am

ArrylT wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 7:38 am
Ironically I just realized Kittle came from the same school as Hockenson & Fant, so his success may have subconsciously influenced the rise of the other 2.
Don't forget Dallas Clark. The Hawkeyes have produced a lot of good TEs. I think the ability to feature the position and send TEs up to the pros leads to better recruiting and then the better recruiting coupled with the system leads to more prospects finding NFL success, so the two kind of reinforce each other.
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QB: R. Wilson, M. Mariota, N. Foles, T. Taylor
RB: E. Elliot, M. Mack, C. Carson, J. McKinnon, D. Foreman, T. Yeldon, D. Williams
WR: AB, M. Evans, A. Cooper, C. Davis, D. Pettis, D. Jackson, J. Ross, Q. Enunwa, K. Cole
TE: E. Ebron, D. Njoku, N. Fant, ASJ, I. Thomas
DL: A. Donald, D. Hunter, D. Buckner, N. Bosa, C. Jones
LB: B. Wagner, CJ Mosley, A. Ogletree, M. Barron
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Re: Hock & Fant Relative Rookie ADP

Postby Cowboysfan33 » Mon May 27, 2019 9:24 am

In the 12 Team PPR rookie drafts that I’ve been in so far, it’s been Hock-1.06, Fant-1.09, Hock-1.05, Fant-1.10, Hock-1.07, Fant-1.09. I think Fant will probably have the better fantasy numbers, at least starting off, it seems like the Lions are going to a more run based approach, so I’m not sure that Hockenson will get a bunch of targets.


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