Sony Michel vs. James Conner: Who to own long term?

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Re: Sony Michel vs. James Conner: Who to own long term?

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri May 24, 2019 4:22 pm

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Probably because they continue to run two RB sets.
New committee style; 2 of them on the field every time.
Conner is stil going to get the ball a lot more, though. It is a great idea for throwing the defense off, and gives an added dimension to the passing game. I don't expect the usage to be drastically different. They are incorporating some 2 back sets, but aren't planning on doing it all the time. It makes perfect sense, especially with the loss of AB, to get another option in the passing game that could be a mismatch for LB's on the field at times.

In the scope of the debate by the OP, I think Damien Harris being drafted in the 3rd is a much bigger concern than the Steelers incorporating some 2 back sets.

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Re: Sony Michel vs. James Conner: Who to own long term?

Postby Vcize » Fri May 24, 2019 4:37 pm

LOL 2-back sets.

I swear every few years we hear about some team playing around with this in the offseason. Then the games start and they run it like twice and realize how stupid it is and how much better off they'd be just having an extra blocker out there and we never hear about it again until the next team starts screwing around with it.
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QB: Brees, Dak
RB: Bell, D Johnson, Fournette, Penny, Lynch, Conner, Foreman
WR: Brown, Diggs, Dez, Lockett
TE: Gronk, Graham
K: Tucker
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QB: Wilson, Dak
RB: Fournette, Kamara, Michel, Kerryon, Blount
WR: Beckham, Thielen, Enunwa, M Williams, Beasely, Amendola
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Re: Sony Michel vs. James Conner: Who to own long term?

Postby Phaded » Fri May 24, 2019 4:41 pm

I could actually feasibly see them running a good chunk 2-back set plays because they don't have much for receiving options.

Regardless; neither Michel or Conner are guys I have any interest in at their price. I think they are both prime candidates to tank in value at this time next year (and face it - it happens to multiple of the perceived higher end running backs every year).
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Re: Sony Michel vs. James Conner: Who to own long term?

Postby Jigga94 » Fri May 24, 2019 5:30 pm

Less worried about 2 RB sets

More worried about his long term value. Will the Steelers franchise him??
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - 14 Keepers
QB: Mahomes, Luck, Baker, Tannehill
RB: Sony, D. Freeman, Penny, Ekeler, K. Dixon, Hines, Samuels, CJA, Ware
WR: Tyreek, Julio, Cooks, D.J. Moore, C. Davis, MVS, Hamilton, Washington, ESB
TE: Henry, Njoku, Herndon, Hooper
2019 Picks: 3.08, 3.10, 6...

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - 20 Keepers
QB: Baker, Cam, Jimmy G, Foles
RB: CMC, Kerryon, A. Jones, Hunt, J. Samuels, M. Brown
WR: D.J. Moore, Landry, Mike Will, P. Campbell, Pettis, Fuller, MVS, Hamilton, ESB, Gallup, M. Lee
TE: Henry, Hockenson, Herndon, Andrews
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Re: Sony Michel vs. James Conner: Who to own long term?

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri May 24, 2019 5:44 pm

Jigga94 wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 5:30 pm
Less worried about 2 RB sets

More worried about his long term value. Will the Steelers franchise him??
He still has 2 years more on his deal, so I am not really worried about that at this point. Obviously his play over those 2 years will determine what the Steelers will do at that point.

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Re: Sony Michel vs. James Conner: Who to own long term?

Postby gogobradyarm » Fri May 24, 2019 6:21 pm

Conner short and long term. I don't know how you can choose against Conner with Michel's bone on bone knee condition. I love Michel, was a major truther coming out of college, but Conner has been better all around lately, and I don't see that changing. I could see Conner being in the league in a few years as a stud, Michel I truly worry about that knee.
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QB: Rodgers, Wentz, Mariota
RB: Zeke, Conner, Chubb, Kerryon, Cook, Aaron Jones, Duke Johnson, Henderson, Justin Jackson
WR: AB, Nuk, Adams, Diggs, Watkins, Corey Davis, Metcalf, Tyreek Hill
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Re: Sony Michel vs. James Conner: Who to own long term?

Postby Jigga94 » Fri May 24, 2019 11:14 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 5:44 pm
Jigga94 wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 5:30 pm
Less worried about 2 RB sets

More worried about his long term value. Will the Steelers franchise him??
He still has 2 years more on his deal, so I am not really worried about that at this point. Obviously his play over those 2 years will determine what the Steelers will do at that point.
True. Keep thinking he's going into the last year
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - 14 Keepers
QB: Mahomes, Luck, Baker, Tannehill
RB: Sony, D. Freeman, Penny, Ekeler, K. Dixon, Hines, Samuels, CJA, Ware
WR: Tyreek, Julio, Cooks, D.J. Moore, C. Davis, MVS, Hamilton, Washington, ESB
TE: Henry, Njoku, Herndon, Hooper
2019 Picks: 3.08, 3.10, 6...

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - 20 Keepers
QB: Baker, Cam, Jimmy G, Foles
RB: CMC, Kerryon, A. Jones, Hunt, J. Samuels, M. Brown
WR: D.J. Moore, Landry, Mike Will, P. Campbell, Pettis, Fuller, MVS, Hamilton, ESB, Gallup, M. Lee
TE: Henry, Hockenson, Herndon, Andrews
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Re: Sony Michel vs. James Conner: Who to own long term?

Postby Lord_Varys » Sun May 26, 2019 3:32 pm

I don't understand why no one is talking about Tom Brady's age. He could be done any year now, and then that whole offense tanks with it.

Conner has a younger QB, and catches way more passes. Worried about Samuel? As if James White doesn't exist?

Also... Why do people keep doubting James Conner's talent? This dude absolutely balled out before a high ankle sprain derailed his season. Busting tackles, making plays after the catch... Benny Snell is no threat at all.

I don't love either of these guys long term, but I'd take Conner over Michel in startup by at least a couple of rounds.

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Re: Sony Michel vs. James Conner: Who to own long term?

Postby smallxl » Sun May 26, 2019 3:51 pm

If the Patriots invested so much in Michel I'm sure they did their homework. On draft pedigree I'll take Michel and agree with the comment that he's a nice guy low after the draft. I do like connor as well though
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TEAM 1
QB: Prescott, Foles
RB: Barkley, P Barber, Duke, Gio Bernard, Gus, C Thompson, Breida, Ekeler
WR: A Cooper, Cooks, Lockett, C. Davis, Crowder, Chark, Stills
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Re: Sony Michel vs. James Conner: Who to own long term?

Postby Jigga94 » Mon May 27, 2019 8:13 am

I don't disagree with the above that Connor is talented and all... But saying Ben is young relative to Brady is not a very wise statement. Ben's body has been through so many injuries I'm surprised he is still playing. He very likely could retire the same year Brady does...
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QB: Mahomes, Luck, Baker, Tannehill
RB: Sony, D. Freeman, Penny, Ekeler, K. Dixon, Hines, Samuels, CJA, Ware
WR: Tyreek, Julio, Cooks, D.J. Moore, C. Davis, MVS, Hamilton, Washington, ESB
TE: Henry, Njoku, Herndon, Hooper
2019 Picks: 3.08, 3.10, 6...

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - 20 Keepers
QB: Baker, Cam, Jimmy G, Foles
RB: CMC, Kerryon, A. Jones, Hunt, J. Samuels, M. Brown
WR: D.J. Moore, Landry, Mike Will, P. Campbell, Pettis, Fuller, MVS, Hamilton, ESB, Gallup, M. Lee
TE: Henry, Hockenson, Herndon, Andrews
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Re: Sony Michel vs. James Conner: Who to own long term?

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon May 27, 2019 8:25 am

I think the drafting of Harris tells a lot. Michel already missed time twice in his rookie year with knee issues, and has a degenerative knee issue. Much like people are talking about Gurley's work load being managed, it seems that Harris at his size, skill and draft position may get significant touches, and Sony although probably still the leader in touches, will be the lead part in a 3 man committee with White still taking the majority of passing down snaps. Matt Waldman (who is by no means gospel, however) stated he believed Conner was a day 2 pick on talent had he not had the health concerns coming out of college. Draft pedigree is really not a huge issue to me at this point, as there is enough evidence that both players can play at a high level, but to me the probable usage and injury concerns would make me take Conner.

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Re: Sony Michel vs. James Conner: Who to own long term?

Postby smallxl » Mon May 27, 2019 1:33 pm

Why did the Pats take a RB in the first round if he's not going to last more than two years?
22-man, 12-team, 1 pt-PPR; Start 1-2RB; 3-4 WR; 1-2 TE

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QB: Prescott, Foles
RB: Barkley, P Barber, Duke, Gio Bernard, Gus, C Thompson, Breida, Ekeler
WR: A Cooper, Cooks, Lockett, C. Davis, Crowder, Chark, Stills
TE: OJ Howard

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Re: Sony Michel vs. James Conner: Who to own long term?

Postby jenkins.math » Mon May 27, 2019 1:45 pm

smallxl wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 1:33 pm
Why did the Pats take a RB in the first round if he's not going to last more than two years?
To maximize the win now window with Tom Brady
14 team dynasty, 25 man roster, keep 14, .5 PPR
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 2Flex, D/ST, K, DL, LB, DE
QB: Darnold
RB: Barkley, Mark Ingram, Jerick McKinnon, Dion Lewis, Ito Smith, Jaylen Samuels, Alex Collins
WR: OBJ, Mike Evans, Cooks, Corey Davis, Allen Robinson, James Washington
TE: Jordan Reed, Njoku
K: Lutz
D/ST: Browns, Dolphins
DL: Cameron Jordan
LB: Kiko Alonso
DB: Derwin James


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