where does this end? if an owner tells you every single trade offer he receives or sends you his draft board every year, that isn't collusion? If I share something like that with 1 owner in a league I certainly have no room to get mad if he shares it with the rest of the league.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:35 pmIt's not his responsibility to show everyone else. It's on the owner of the newly acquired 1.01, IF he so desires. In fact, it's just as unethical, if not more unethical to share private conversations. That also sets you up for never having a private conversation with anyone in the league again, if you share private conversations with other owners.Krypto_King wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:50 amit's fine if everyone knows. show one, show all is my thinking. It's a little dirty to get the 1.02 but its really the other owners fault.Weknownothing86 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:06 am I mean in my league we do a mock draft of who we think will take who, some people even say "Ya im gonna take this guy" its all fun and games, but it sounds like in other leagues thats cheating? Like other have said he can change his mind, or he could be lying. There is nothing wrong with this at all. Im surprised you even think their may be something wrong with it.
Would this be collusion/unethical?
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I am constantly shooting the bleep with other owners prior to the draft trying to get a read on things. Some guys give useful information, others don't. All owners have the same opportunity to do this, I have no idea who else is, and what information they have. I don't see a problem with it.
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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?
In the case of the particular conversation the OP is discussing, it's really not on the OP to divulge that info. It was an Eagles fan getting giddy about potentially drafting an eagle. The example you used is extreme. I am only commenting on the specific case. If he divulges that comment to the rest of the league, he may lose the trust of other league mates, because they will think they can't make comments to him without it getting spread to the entire league.Krypto_King wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:32 pmwhere does this end? if an owner tells you every single trade offer he receives or sends you his draft board every year, that isn't collusion? If I share something like that with 1 owner in a league I certainly have no room to get mad if he shares it with the rest of the league.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:35 pmIt's not his responsibility to show everyone else. It's on the owner of the newly acquired 1.01, IF he so desires. In fact, it's just as unethical, if not more unethical to share private conversations. That also sets you up for never having a private conversation with anyone in the league again, if you share private conversations with other owners.Krypto_King wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:50 am
it's fine if everyone knows. show one, show all is my thinking. It's a little dirty to get the 1.02 but its really the other owners fault.
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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?
"he lives in Philly"
I've seen Sanders go 1.01, so go for it !! ..and please post results You have 1.6, 1.7 and 1.9? plus you had 1.1? wow !
I've seen Sanders go 1.01, so go for it !! ..and please post results You have 1.6, 1.7 and 1.9? plus you had 1.1? wow !
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Exactly. Sounds like the dude is messing with OP
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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?
It can backfire in other ways
I traded the 1.8 and 1.10 for the 1.3 in the 2017 draft because I knew the 1.2 owner was "stupidly" going to take McCaffrey 2nd overall instead of Corey Davis who I could get for a steal
Kamara and Hunt went 1.8 and 1.10, and I traded Davis away for Derrick Henry, and then Derrick Henry away for Rashad Penny
I traded the 1.8 and 1.10 for the 1.3 in the 2017 draft because I knew the 1.2 owner was "stupidly" going to take McCaffrey 2nd overall instead of Corey Davis who I could get for a steal
Kamara and Hunt went 1.8 and 1.10, and I traded Davis away for Derrick Henry, and then Derrick Henry away for Rashad Penny
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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?
Based off of what you wrote, there's no guarantee that he actually drafts Sanders. I've played redraft where people said they were going to take player X #1 overall, but when it came down to crunch time, the chose the consensus #1.SteveMaddensShoes wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:51 am After a lot of negotiating with another owner I gave up the 1.01 in a superflex for a nice package of players and picks. I assume he is taking Murray since he only has 2 qbs, one of which is Foles.
As soon as we complete the trade he texts, “Love me some Sanders!” (He lives in Philly)
I said, “are you serious?”
He says yep.
Now I feel like it would be unethical to try and get the 1.02 before the draft starts with this information. Am I being overly goody two shoes by waiting till 1.02 goes on the clock to make a move for the 1.02? It seems like everyone should get a chance at the 1.02 if it’s Murray.
Has anyone else had a similar situation?
The dude could just be full-of-it.
Now, if you want to publicize such information, you can, but I don't think there's an obligation on your end. Again, based off of what you said, how are we supposed to know he's being serious or not? Even if he was being serious, he could have changed his mind.
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I've been giving out false information on guys I like in the draft for weeks.
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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?
Exactly.
There's no duty or obligation to report this information. If there were, then why not disclose all information you have in private conversations regarding the league? You gotta draw the line somewhere.
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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?
Great story! Now please do another story about the maneuverings that happened for 2019!Mephistopheles wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:54 pm I actually had a similar situation to this a couple years ago during the Mixon/McCaffrey draft.
This is a bit convoluted but there were 4 owners involved.
If you can picture this, most of us know each other, about 9 of us were all in the same building at a bar and grill owned by one of the guys in the league for the rookie draft. The other 3 were offsite but drafting through the MFL system.
I had picks 2,3, 10, and 12. I needed RB's desperately (right draft to be in, right?) and I wanted to get 3 of Mixon/McCaffrey/Hunt/Kamara but I also wanted Davis and Juju.
I knew the guy at 1 had a boner for Fournette, I DM'd him before the draft and he confirmed he was taking LF, and not moving off it for anything. That got me Davis and CMC for sure.
Then I Sent an offer to the guy at 4, he said he was not moving off the pick because he wanted Marshawn Lynch. Ummm what?
In the meantime the guy at 6 and 8 approached and wanted DJ, I told him I wanted MT13 and MG3 and pick 6, but he did not want to move off #6 and he told me he wanted to make sure he got OJH. We ended up making a deal where I got both MT13 and MG3 plus A. Hooper and pick 8.
All this before draft day. I now have picks 2,3,8,10,12 and knowledge of how 5 of the first 6 picks are going to go.
Fast forward to draft day. Knowing with some certainty that Mixon would be there, I flipped pick 8 to the guy at 5 for a 2nd rounder and a 2018 2nd rounder. The guy at 6 is sitting literally right next to me and starts cursing at me, calling me a Mf'er and he'll never talk to me again all through the first 3 picks of the draft (I needed a TE as well). I told him, Relax, I'm not taking OJH, I promise you...he responds you better not you mf'er. I told him, wait till you see what is going to happen because you're not going to believe this.
Now keep in mind, everyone in that league knew I was all in on Mixon, Davis and CMC and that I really liked OJH. Also, remember I know that Lynch is going at 4 and OJH at 6.
So the draft goes LF, CMC (Me), Davis (me)...then the guy at 4 takes Lynch. The place is a cacophony. People are yelling at the 4th pick about how he let me get 3 of the top 4... Guy at 6 has his jaw on the floor...but I'm not done. (Remember I know OJH is going #6)
While I'm OTC, I approach the guy at 7, offer him my 2018 1st and another 17 2nd for 1.7. He takes it. I take Mixon at 5, 6 takes Howard, I take M-Will. 8 & 9 are Cook and John Ross. I take Kamara at 10, Hunt goes at 11, and I take Juju at 12.
Point being, all that information was available to the entire league but I was the only one who did the legwork to get it.
Just by talking to people and keeping stuff confidential, I walked out of a draft with CMC/Mixon/KamaraMG3/MT13/Juju/CD/M-Will and set my team up for the next 5-7 years. And stuff like this happens every year in that league, it's the reason it's by far my favorite league. The maneuverings in the 19 draft (set for next weekend) is even crazier.
OP, there's nothing untoward or unethical about trading for the 1.2 pick in your case. Nor are you obligated to share the information with anyone else. You did the legwork and found the information. Just keep in mind it may be a smokescreen although I'm not sure how the guy at 1.1 benefits from a smokescreen in your case.
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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?
You're overthinking things. This is fantasy football, not War. If you hear that a starting RB gets injured you wouldn't wait for the news to break on the mainstream media-- you'd rush to the waiver wire for his replacement!
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Some people can barely tell the difference!
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