Would this be collusion/unethical?

[lbi]

Does everyone share transcripts of every negotiation? Have other players made you aware of how they value all of their, your, and everyone else's players?

If an owner tells you he's willing to trade a player for a pick, is it collusion if he hasn't offered that to the whole league?

No idea how this can be considered poor taste, collusion or unethical.

You're not going to get 1.02 for cheap. You'll pay fair price for it, and get the guy you want.

[FantasyFreak]

I mean in my league we do a mock draft of who we think will take who, some people even say "Ya im gonna take this guy" its all fun and games, but it sounds like in other leagues thats cheating? Like other have said he can change his mind, or he could be lying. There is nothing wrong with this at all. Im surprised you even think their may be something wrong with it.

it's fine if everyone knows. show one, show all is my thinking. It's a little dirty to get the 1.02 but its really the other owners fault.

It's not his responsibility to show everyone else. It's on the owner of the newly acquired 1.01, IF he so desires. In fact, it's just as unethical, if not more unethical to share private conversations. That also sets you up for never having a private conversation with anyone in the league again, if you share private conversations with other owners.

[briank]

After a lot of negotiating with another owner I gave up the 1.01 in a superflex for a nice package of players and picks. I assume he is taking Murray since he only has 2 qbs, one of which is Foles.

As soon as we complete the trade he texts, “Love me some Sanders!” (He lives in Philly)

I said, “are you serious?”

He says yep.

Now I feel like it would be unethical to try and get the 1.02 before the draft starts with this information. Am I being overly goody two shoes by waiting till 1.02 goes on the clock to make a move for the 1.02? It seems like everyone should get a chance at the 1.02 if it’s Murray.

Has anyone else had a similar situation?

I don’t think it’s unethical and it’s definitely not collusion.

[Mephistopheles]

I actually had a similar situation to this a couple years ago during the Mixon/McCaffrey draft.

This is a bit convoluted but there were 4 owners involved.
If you can picture this, most of us know each other, about 9 of us were all in the same building at a bar and grill owned by one of the guys in the league for the rookie draft. The other 3 were offsite but drafting through the MFL system.
I had picks 2,3, 10, and 12. I needed RB's desperately (right draft to be in, right?) and I wanted to get 3 of Mixon/McCaffrey/Hunt/Kamara but I also wanted Davis and Juju.
I knew the guy at 1 had a boner for Fournette, I DM'd him before the draft and he confirmed he was taking LF, and not moving off it for anything. That got me Davis and CMC for sure.
Then I Sent an offer to the guy at 4, he said he was not moving off the pick because he wanted Marshawn Lynch. Ummm what?
In the meantime the guy at 6 and 8 approached and wanted DJ, I told him I wanted MT13 and MG3 and pick 6, but he did not want to move off #6 and he told me he wanted to make sure he got OJH. We ended up making a deal where I got both MT13 and MG3 plus A. Hooper and pick 8.
All this before draft day. I now have picks 2,3,8,10,12 and knowledge of how 5 of the first 6 picks are going to go.
Fast forward to draft day. Knowing with some certainty that Mixon would be there, I flipped pick 8 to the guy at 5 for a 2nd rounder and a 2018 2nd rounder. The guy at 6 is sitting literally right next to me and starts cursing at me, calling me a Mf'er and he'll never talk to me again all through the first 3 picks of the draft (I needed a TE as well). I told him, Relax, I'm not taking OJH, I promise you...he responds you better not you mf'er. I told him, wait till you see what is going to happen because you're not going to believe this.
Now keep in mind, everyone in that league knew I was all in on Mixon, Davis and CMC and that I really liked OJH. Also, remember I know that Lynch is going at 4 and OJH at 6.
So the draft goes LF, CMC (Me), Davis (me)...then the guy at 4 takes Lynch. The place is a cacophony. People are yelling at the 4th pick about how he let me get 3 of the top 4... Guy at 6 has his jaw on the floor...but I'm not done. (Remember I know OJH is going #6)
While I'm OTC, I approach the guy at 7, offer him my 2018 1st and another 17 2nd for 1.7. He takes it. I take Mixon at 5, 6 takes Howard, I take M-Will. 8 & 9 are Cook and John Ross. I take Kamara at 10, Hunt goes at 11, and I take Juju at 12.

Point being, all that information was available to the entire league but I was the only one who did the legwork to get it.
Just by talking to people and keeping stuff confidential, I walked out of a draft with CMC/Mixon/KamaraMG3/MT13/Juju/CD/M-Will and set my team up for the next 5-7 years. And stuff like this happens every year in that league, it's the reason it's by far my favorite league. The maneuverings in the 19 draft (set for next weekend) is even crazier.

OP, there's nothing untoward or unethical about trading for the 1.2 pick in your case. Nor are you obligated to share the information with anyone else. You did the legwork and found the information. Just keep in mind it may be a smokescreen although I'm not sure how the guy at 1.1 benefits from a smokescreen in your case.

[Ice]

It's not collusion, but it is somewhat akin to insider trading. You are essentially operating/benefitting from information that others don't have and will benefit from it.

I think it goes against the spirit of competition. Though it is an issue that almost no Bylaws address.

Just imagine what how it looks and what others will say when he takes Sanders at 1.01, you take Murray at 1.02, and then it gets out that he privately tipped his hand as to whom he would pick before you acquired 1.02.

Please do post a link to those discussions when it happens. It will be a fun read.

This is a good point. Although you did nothing wrong, and he supplied the information, it could cause a whole lot of trouble. Even if it doesn't get out that he tipped you off, it will look fishy if you trade the 1.01, then go acquire the 1.02, and he picks Sanders at 1.01.

99 out of 100 would take Murray 1.1 in a SF. The only one that’s going to look stupid is the blabber mouth owner.

The fact he tells one person is besides the point. Who knows what he is telling the owner of every trade he makes.

Big deal if it gets out. It was after the trades completion.

Besides in a Super Flex 1.2 will be plenty expensive and don’t think for a minute that owner won’t go after 1.1 and perhaps find out information through his negotiations.

[FantasyFreak]

It's not collusion, but it is somewhat akin to insider trading. You are essentially operating/benefitting from information that others don't have and will benefit from it.

I think it goes against the spirit of competition. Though it is an issue that almost no Bylaws address.

Just imagine what how it looks and what others will say when he takes Sanders at 1.01, you take Murray at 1.02, and then it gets out that he privately tipped his hand as to whom he would pick before you acquired 1.02.

Please do post a link to those discussions when it happens. It will be a fun read.

This is a good point. Although you did nothing wrong, and he supplied the information, it could cause a whole lot of trouble. Even if it doesn't get out that he tipped you off, it will look fishy if you trade the 1.01, then go acquire the 1.02, and he picks Sanders at 1.01.

99 out of 100 would take Murray 1.1 in a SF. The only one that’s going to look stupid is the blabber mouth owner.

The fact he tells one person is besides the point. Who knows what he is telling the owner of every trade he makes.

Big deal if it gets out. It was after the trades completion.

Besides in a Super Flex 1.2 will be plenty expensive and don’t think for a minute that owner won’t go after 1.1 and perhaps find out information through his negotiations.

I agree, it's not collusion or unethical, I just think it might be a bleep storm if it goes down. It's not on the OP, though. Trade had already been made, like you said.

[Pullo Vision]

I actually had a similar situation to this a couple years ago during the Mixon/McCaffrey draft.

This is a bit convoluted but there were 4 owners involved.
If you can picture this, most of us know each other, about 9 of us were all in the same building at a bar and grill owned by one of the guys in the league for the rookie draft. The other 3 were offsite but drafting through the MFL system.
I had picks 2,3, 10, and 12. I needed RB's desperately (right draft to be in, right?) and I wanted to get 3 of Mixon/McCaffrey/Hunt/Kamara but I also wanted Davis and Juju.
I knew the guy at 1 had a boner for Fournette, I DM'd him before the draft and he confirmed he was taking LF, and not moving off it for anything. That got me Davis and CMC for sure.
Then I Sent an offer to the guy at 4, he said he was not moving off the pick because he wanted Marshawn Lynch. Ummm what?
In the meantime the guy at 6 and 8 approached and wanted DJ, I told him I wanted MT13 and MG3 and pick 6, but he did not want to move off #6 and he told me he wanted to make sure he got OJH. We ended up making a deal where I got both MT13 and MG3 plus A. Hooper and pick 8.
All this before draft day. I now have picks 2,3,8,10,12 and knowledge of how 5 of the first 6 picks are going to go.
Fast forward to draft day. Knowing with some certainty that Mixon would be there, I flipped pick 8 to the guy at 5 for a 2nd rounder and a 2018 2nd rounder. The guy at 6 is sitting literally right next to me and starts cursing at me, calling me a Mf'er and he'll never talk to me again all through the first 3 picks of the draft (I needed a TE as well). I told him, Relax, I'm not taking OJH, I promise you...he responds you better not you mf'er. I told him, wait till you see what is going to happen because you're not going to believe this.
Now keep in mind, everyone in that league knew I was all in on Mixon, Davis and CMC and that I really liked OJH. Also, remember I know that Lynch is going at 4 and OJH at 6.
So the draft goes LF, CMC (Me), Davis (me)...then the guy at 4 takes Lynch. The place is a cacophony. People are yelling at the 4th pick about how he let me get 3 of the top 4... Guy at 6 has his jaw on the floor...but I'm not done. (Remember I know OJH is going #6)
While I'm OTC, I approach the guy at 7, offer him my 2018 1st and another 17 2nd for 1.7. He takes it. I take Mixon at 5, 6 takes Howard, I take M-Will. 8 & 9 are Cook and John Ross. I take Kamara at 10, Hunt goes at 11, and I take Juju at 12.

Point being, all that information was available to the entire league but I was the only one who did the legwork to get it.
Just by talking to people and keeping stuff confidential, I walked out of a draft with CMC/Mixon/KamaraMG3/MT13/Juju/CD/M-Will and set my team up for the next 5-7 years. And stuff like this happens every year in that league, it's the reason it's by far my favorite league. The maneuverings in the 19 draft (set for next weekend) is even crazier.

OP, there's nothing untoward or unethical about trading for the 1.2 pick in your case. Nor are you obligated to share the information with anyone else. You did the legwork and found the information. Just keep in mind it may be a smokescreen although I'm not sure how the guy at 1.1 benefits from a smokescreen in your case.

This is a great story and well done!

[FuzzySignificance]

not only is it not collusion or unethical, this is the kind of information you should be trying to get from people heading into the draft.

[John Paul]

It's not collusive. I have a lot of conversations with various owners in my leagues. If they share a plan with me and ask me not to divulge it, I abide by their wishes. Sometimes I am aware of another owner's like for or desire to trade off another player and if I come across someone who wants that player I will steer them in that GM's direction, too.

I find it's helpful when you start talks for your own trading when you've kept good conversation with as many GMs in your league as possible.

[blemly]

not only is it not collusion or unethical, this is the kind of information you should be trying to get from people heading into the draft.

Agreed. Maybe I operate under a much looser ethical code, but if there isn’t a bylaw saying I can’t so it, I’m gonna do it if it gives me an advantage.

That includes asking people about preferences and then steering them one way if I think it helps me, privately discussing trades to getting the inside scoop on that owners’ thoughts on players/picks, straight up misleading people on who I plan to take where, etc.

[jordanzs]

I wouldn’t feel bad about it.

If i was that owner though, i would try to trade down to 1.2

[BigBawseRoss]

go get that 1.02 if possible theres nothing here to worry about...except maybe needing to replace an owner thats does more harm than good lol

[Prison_Mike]

Be careful though.
I would have told you the same thing. Then picked Murry.

^Exactly

I had a guy telling me he wanted to move up from his 1.10 to my 1.02 because there was a WR he REALLY liked
He then ended up trading with another owner to get the 1.01 instead (he overpaid, gave up Kupp + 1.10 + mid 2020 1st)

And he took Jacobs with the pick

I wouldn't trust what another owner tells you they're going to do with a pick

Either way, definitely not collusion to trade up to the 1.02

[turkjetfan]

There is nothing collusive about this at all. Someone volunteered information. Why wouldn't you make use of it, should you choose to?

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

I'd be going after the 1.02 right now. That's not collusion. That's your league mate being an idiot, and now you have a competitive edge.

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