Would this be collusion/unethical?

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Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Sat May 18, 2019 7:51 am

After a lot of negotiating with another owner I gave up the 1.01 in a superflex for a nice package of players and picks. I assume he is taking Murray since he only has 2 qbs, one of which is Foles.

As soon as we complete the trade he texts, “Love me some Sanders!” (He lives in Philly)

I said, “are you serious?”

He says yep.

Now I feel like it would be unethical to try and get the 1.02 before the draft starts with this information. Am I being overly goody two shoes by waiting till 1.02 goes on the clock to make a move for the 1.02? It seems like everyone should get a chance at the 1.02 if it’s Murray.

Has anyone else had a similar situation?
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QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, Superflex, Flex, Flex, Flex
1 PPR, 1 points every 10 yards rushing/receiving, 4 points per 100 passing, 4 point passing TDs, -2 INT.
TE premium 1.5 PPR and 1 point per 8.5 yards receiving.

QB- Andrew Luck, Jared Goff, Sam Darnold, Alex Smith,

WR - Mike Evans, JuJu, Kenny golladay, Antonio Callaway, Riley Ridley, Darius Slayton, Tim Patrick

RB -Kareem Hunt, Rashaad Penny, Ekeler, Spencer Ware

TE - Evan Engram, Chris Herndon, Noah Fant, Gerald Everett, Adam Shaheen, Dawson Knox


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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby MontrealBen » Sat May 18, 2019 8:04 am

It's not collusion, IMO, because there's nothing stopping him from changing his mind or dealing the pick for a package he likes better. I'm interested to hear the arguments on the other side, though. I can understand why it feels a little shady.
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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby Bot101 » Sat May 18, 2019 8:19 am

Id be going after the 1.02 right now. Thats not collusion. Thats your leaguemate being an idiot and now you have a competitive edge.

If I was playing defense and I somehow overheard the coach giving the QB the next play, I'm not running up to them to inform them that I've heard the play and they should change it. Nope, I'm changing the defense to open a fresh can of you know what on the offense. Sorry, not sorry.
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RB: Joe Mixon, Nick Chubb, Miles Sanders, Royce Freeman, Justice Hill, Duke Johnson Jr,
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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby Ice » Sat May 18, 2019 8:31 am

Get 1.2,

Nothing wrong with that and that owner could do whatever he wants with that pick now that he owns it.

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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby SlimJim958 » Sat May 18, 2019 8:59 am

Piling on...go get the 1.02.

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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby JTLoh » Sat May 18, 2019 9:11 am

Be careful though.
I would have told you the same thing. Then picked Murry.
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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Sat May 18, 2019 9:16 am

JTLoh wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 9:11 am
Be careful though.
I would have told you the same thing. Then picked Murry.
Yeah, I don't necessarily believe him. Im going to just give up a fair amount for Jacobs. That way if he takes Murray no big deal but if he does take Sanders I'll be happy.
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TE premium 1.5 PPR and 1 point per 8.5 yards receiving.

QB- Andrew Luck, Jared Goff, Sam Darnold, Alex Smith,

WR - Mike Evans, JuJu, Kenny golladay, Antonio Callaway, Riley Ridley, Darius Slayton, Tim Patrick

RB -Kareem Hunt, Rashaad Penny, Ekeler, Spencer Ware

TE - Evan Engram, Chris Herndon, Noah Fant, Gerald Everett, Adam Shaheen, Dawson Knox


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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby Cult of Dionysus » Sat May 18, 2019 9:17 am

It's not collusion, but it is somewhat akin to insider trading. You are essentially operating/benefitting from information that others don't have and will benefit from it.

I think it goes against the spirit of competition. Though it is an issue that almost no Bylaws address.

Just imagine what how it looks and what others will say when he takes Sanders at 1.01, you take Murray at 1.02, and then it gets out that he privately tipped his hand as to whom he would pick before you acquired 1.02.

Please do post a link to those discussions when it happens. It will be a fun read.

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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby vixen » Sat May 18, 2019 9:24 am

not collusion... you don't know if he has said the same to others... and what is stopping him from going after 1.02 ..
with that said, I don't know if I believe him..
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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat May 18, 2019 10:59 am

Cult of Dionysus wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 9:17 am
It's not collusion, but it is somewhat akin to insider trading. You are essentially operating/benefitting from information that others don't have and will benefit from it.

I think it goes against the spirit of competition. Though it is an issue that almost no Bylaws address.

Just imagine what how it looks and what others will say when he takes Sanders at 1.01, you take Murray at 1.02, and then it gets out that he privately tipped his hand as to whom he would pick before you acquired 1.02.

Please do post a link to those discussions when it happens. It will be a fun read.
This is a good point. Although you did nothing wrong, and he supplied the information, it could cause a whole lot of trouble. Even if it doesn't get out that he tipped you off, it will look fishy if you trade the 1.01, then go acquire the 1.02, and he picks Sanders at 1.01.

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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby Weknownothing86 » Sat May 18, 2019 11:06 am

I mean in my league we do a mock draft of who we think will take who, some people even say "Ya im gonna take this guy" its all fun and games, but it sounds like in other leagues thats cheating? Like other have said he can change his mind, or he could be lying. There is nothing wrong with this at all. Im surprised you even think their may be something wrong with it.
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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby steelman » Sat May 18, 2019 11:13 am

Not collusion and not shady at all. League mates talk all the time and they don't always tell every other owner. There's always information not available to everyone. You don't think NFL GM's talk to each other in private?

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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Sat May 18, 2019 11:37 am

Ok awesome. Alot of good points I had not thought of. Thanks everyone.
12 man Superflex deep starting requirements with even scoring among positions

QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, Superflex, Flex, Flex, Flex
1 PPR, 1 points every 10 yards rushing/receiving, 4 points per 100 passing, 4 point passing TDs, -2 INT.
TE premium 1.5 PPR and 1 point per 8.5 yards receiving.

QB- Andrew Luck, Jared Goff, Sam Darnold, Alex Smith,

WR - Mike Evans, JuJu, Kenny golladay, Antonio Callaway, Riley Ridley, Darius Slayton, Tim Patrick

RB -Kareem Hunt, Rashaad Penny, Ekeler, Spencer Ware

TE - Evan Engram, Chris Herndon, Noah Fant, Gerald Everett, Adam Shaheen, Dawson Knox


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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby Krypto_King » Sat May 18, 2019 11:50 am

Weknownothing86 wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 11:06 am
I mean in my league we do a mock draft of who we think will take who, some people even say "Ya im gonna take this guy" its all fun and games, but it sounds like in other leagues thats cheating? Like other have said he can change his mind, or he could be lying. There is nothing wrong with this at all. Im surprised you even think their may be something wrong with it.
it's fine if everyone knows. show one, show all is my thinking. It's a little dirty to get the 1.02 but its really the other owners fault.

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Re: Would this be collusion/unethical?

Postby bjd5211 » Sat May 18, 2019 2:08 pm

Nope go for it


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