It’s not easy to sell players that everyone knows is a SELL HIGH

[WOATjohn]

It’s the thing I hate most about fantasy... “you have to sell high now!”

Yeah it’s much easier said then done. I have been trying all off season to trade assets on my rebuild with no prevail. I have been shopping Leonard Fournette and Damien Williams and I cannot get anything close to value for them.
Everyone knows that they’re sells so no one wants to risk buying into them.
What are realistic expectations for either of them?

[ebsteelers]

is fournette really a sell high?

seems more like a buy low to me

and what are you asking for Williams?

[Dynasty DeLorean]

is fournette really a sell high?

seems more like a buy low to me

yeah, i'm confused

[CubfanAA]

The thing is there is really no such thing as a "sell high" player. Sometimes this forum can make it seem like Player X is valued at draft pick 1.08 and that is settled. In reality if I am in 4 different leagues trying to sell player X in one league I might be able to sell him for 1.01, in one 1.06, in one the best I could do is 2.02, and in the last one everybody overvalues draft picks so much I couldn't sell him for even a third round pick. So in one league he's a sell high, in one his is unsellable and in 2 he sells for roughly the value people here say he is worth.

[WOATjohn]

is fournette really a sell high?

seems more like a buy low to me

yeah, i'm confused

Fournette wasn’t really an example of a sell high.

The post was a general rant about any player “oh sell high! Sell high!”

[Ruggenater]

The thing is there is really no such thing as a "sell high" player. Sometimes this forum can make it seem like Player X is valued at draft pick 1.08 and that is settled. In reality if I am in 4 different leagues trying to sell player X in one league I might be able to sell him for 1.01, in one 1.06, in one the best I could do is 2.02, and in the last one everybody overvalues draft picks so much I couldn't sell him for even a third round pick. So in one league he's a sell high, in one his is unsellable and in 2 he sells for roughly the value people here say he is worth.

Sure, the market is going to vary from league to league, but there still are players that are able to be sold high across the majority of leagues.

[Slevin Kelevra]

"Selling high" was certainly easier before "analytics" took over.

[maxhyde]

Exactly but most owners are savvy enough to know that they are sell high and will resist paying those prices because of the risk of buying at or beyond "peak" value. Do the best you can and sell if you can get a value you are happy with and ride the risk out if you don't

[Shonte]

I think the issue is you're trying to sell players at the worst possible time. Everyone is in love with shiny rookies right now. The best time to sell during a rebuild imo is during the season. Chances are that Big Lenny manages to get on the field for a couple of games and put up some good numbers, hopefully then there is a team in the league that is needy at RB and feels they can contend who will pay up at least decent value for him.

Williams is a different beast, you need to decide whether you believe in him or not. If you do then you gotta wait it out and then sell him in the right window. If you dont then just take whatever you can get for him right now or in week 1 or 2. There will likely be less windows to sell Williams than Fournette.

[slaughterrt]

Timing also has a lot to do with selling high (or buying low for that matter). If you are trying to sell high on a player, and looking for picks in return, now is NOT the time. The time to do that would have been in season last year.

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[Bot101]

Im probably in the minority on this, but I'm fine selling a player that I want to be rid of for less than his perceived value. 80% of something is better than 100% of nothing. My prime example is a couple seasons ago I traded away Dez for Derrick Henry, while Dez was on the Cowboys and Henry was still parked behind Murray. I posted that trade here and got shredded. But the thing is, in my league that was the very best I could get for Dez and watching him play (being the Cowboys fan I am), I knew the cliff was near even though he was still scoring okayish fantasy points. I didnt like Henry but knew others did, and then flipped him for a 1st which ended up as the 1.02.

So my point is dont look at what others are getting and assume thats what you should get. On the flip side dont just give away players. Its really just knowing your leaguemates and who they like and flipping.

[moishetreats]

We're confusing two things: "Sell high" is NOT the same as "getting peak value for".

Damien Williams is a "sell high" because there is lots of legitimate reasons to anticipate his value dropping. Buy selling now -- even for less than his "value" -- you're anticipating that you would not be able to get more later. Selling high does not mean getting good value.

Contrast that with, say, Saquon Barkley. He is not a "sell high"; his value could just as likely stay near or at where it is now (though it's theoretically possible for his value to increase, it's hardly likely) as it is to depreciate. Were you to trade him now, it's to "get peak value for him" -- recognizing not that his value is likely to decrease but rather that it is highly unlikely that it will increase whereas what you receive in return does have the opportunity to increase in value.

[Chris_R]

The thing is there is really no such thing as a "sell high" player. Sometimes this forum can make it seem like Player X is valued at draft pick 1.08 and that is settled. In reality if I am in 4 different leagues trying to sell player X in one league I might be able to sell him for 1.01, in one 1.06, in one the best I could do is 2.02, and in the last one everybody overvalues draft picks so much I couldn't sell him for even a third round pick. So in one league he's a sell high, in one his is unsellable and in 2 he sells for roughly the value people here say he is worth.

Thank you. X2. Sometimes this forum has a way of making it seem like there is concrete value and you should only be doing things by the book but most leagues the value is based on the other owners or what you can get. Sometimes you can say what a guys value is but it's always based on need and what people will offer.


You'll either be forced to take what you can get at lower value or hold to sell later. Smart leagues know who all the obvious sell high guys are so you have to be creative.

[lukkynumber13]

Some solid points being made here

This exact reason is why I often seek to “buy high” on a player who I am higher on than the consensus, but whom I think is about to rise to another level of value.

For instance: if you think Tyler Boyd is more than just a possession guy, and is about to overtake AJG and become a dominant WR1, you should “buy high” on him even if you have to spend a top 3 pick. Cheap price to pay if he ends up with 90-1200-10 this year (for the record, I’m not of the opinion that Boyd is a burgeoning superstar, it’s just an example).

In that Boyd example (a player who’s seen his value crater, and then rise), the seller probably is thinking he sold high (and if Boyd returns to the squalor of 55/650/4, he’d be correct), so he’s happy! And who knows, maybe it turns into a Davante Adams situation, and then YOU win even tho you bought high compared to his current ADP at the time.

Again, don’t at hung up on the names I’m using. Just seems like a situation that could currently be occurring. Golladay and Kupp would be other examples. Philip Lindsay too.

[jomaed]

Id argue that trading in general is not "easy"