*MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Jigga94 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:38 am

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Yeah this Is all Jackson..lol.. he is a great rb in a qb position.. scores well all that matters ..no wonder his completion % is high did he throw past the los last night?😂..I think that defense,o line and Ingram did some damage too ..just sayin
Lol watch the game you troll
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby jenkins.math » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:07 am

Say what you want about his passing and long term outlook as a passer, but Lamar just put himself square in the middle of the MVP race after last night.
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Ice » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:20 am

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Say what you want about his passing and long term outlook as a passer, but Lamar just put himself square in the middle of the MVP race after last night.
Agree, In the NFL and in Fantasy.

Points per game average leads all QB's at 28.4 points with only 1 sub 20 point output.

I will gladly take a 64.3 % completion percentage at 7.6 average with his mad video game running skills.

Last night he completed 73.9% percent of his passes against the top defense in the league and had a QBR of 107.7. 12 and 4 as a NFL starter.

The Ravens are by far one of the most fun teams to watch in the NFL and it is because of one Lamar Jackson. No way anyone could be a fan of football and not be impressed with his ability to slice up a defense.

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby ArrylT » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:25 am

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Kyle Boller didn't, Trent Dilfer did.
I wonder if anyone ever won a Madden SB with Boller as their QB. :think:
As a Ravens fan I usually switched him out for Anthony Wright or McNair or even Troy Smith lol
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Tvols » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:54 am

Jigga94 wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:38 am
Tvols wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:32 am
Yeah this Is all Jackson..lol.. he is a great rb in a qb position.. scores well all that matters ..no wonder his completion % is high did he throw past the los last night?😂..I think that defense,o line and Ingram did some damage too ..just sayin
Lol watch the game you troll
maybe you should.. i did he is a great rb but passer na.. he has a long way to go.. I like the part where he hit his on lineman in the back of the helmet two feet away :D .. Not saying he isnt a great scorer at the QB position and leading his team yes.. but the op says great passer he just isnt and 95% of his passes were around the LOS..

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby joeya2001 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:07 am

Tvols wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:54 am
Jigga94 wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:38 am
Tvols wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:32 am
Yeah this Is all Jackson..lol.. he is a great rb in a qb position.. scores well all that matters ..no wonder his completion % is high did he throw past the los last night?😂..I think that defense,o line and Ingram did some damage too ..just sayin
Lol watch the game you troll
maybe you should.. i did he is a great rb but passer na.. he has a long way to go.. I like the part where he hit his on lineman in the back of the helmet two feet away :D .. Not saying he isnt a great scorer at the QB position and leading his team yes.. but the op says great passer he just isnt and 95% of his passes were around the LOS..
So the best defense weakness is just plugging in a RB who can pass is what you are saying?
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:46 am

mild wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:56 am
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in 2015 Cam was the QB1. It's 2019 and he'll be lucky to get his starting job back from Kyle Allen.
in 2012 RGIII was the QB5. By 2015 he didn't have a job.
He's going to be screwed once he can't run anymore. Cam is built like a linebacker at 6'5 245.
You think Lamar is magically going to last longer than all the other running qbs before him?

Cash out after this season or next. Or don't.... and be stuck holding the bag.
At some point, if Lamar continues to run like this, he will get hurt. What happens after that, and the way he plays after that, will be the interesting part. He's a decent passer, but his legs help his passing, and make him a threat at QB. I don't think he'll ever be a passer like Wilson, but he will need to find the balance between affecting the game with his legs, staying healthy, and still making some throws. What he's doing now can't last, IMO. Not for years and years.
At some point... I guess some people just want to be proven wrong for many weeks straight before they'll admit that they're seeing something they haven't seen before.

As Collinsworth said tonight - he's proven for years that he can do this in college, and he's proving now he can do it in the pros. He takes hits, yes - but they are no harder than the ones that Andy Dalton and Baker Mayfield are taking right now behind bad lines - in fact, Lamar does a better job avoiding than they ever could, and is rarely blindsided in the back. His field vision, juke, and movement are the best in the league at QB. By. FAR.

I'm glad to be holding this bag. I'm irrational about him, he brings me extreme joy to watch, and no-one in my league will pry him from me for as long as this ride lasts. I expect this will be the same ownership situation for Lamar in every league you're playing in.

If you just plain don't like him because he challenges your paradigm of what a QB should be or do or say or... look like... then that's fine, you don't have to like him. But you're going to become very sick of his name in the next few years, if you're not already.

The point of fantasy is to win. There is very likely a 3-to-5 year window on Lamar right now - at least. With health permitting - he's gonna win you a (fantasy) Superbowl, believe that.
Lamar is a good dual threat QB, but we've seen players similar to him before.
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Tvols » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:19 am

joeya2001 wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:07 am
Tvols wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:54 am
Jigga94 wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:38 am


Lol watch the game you troll
maybe you should.. i did he is a great rb but passer na.. he has a long way to go.. I like the part where he hit his on lineman in the back of the helmet two feet away :D .. Not saying he isnt a great scorer at the QB position and leading his team yes.. but the op says great passer he just isnt and 95% of his passes were around the LOS..
So the best defense weakness is just plugging in a RB who can pass is what you are saying?
sure ... he is a great scorer and rb ,qb na .. but then again I believe a QB can pass not a rb behind center.. He is not very good as a passer and if you think so then I m sorry.can he improve sure but History suggest they are who they are.. he will get you good scores for the next couple of years but when it comes down to passing unless he improves greatly he wont be getting the job done. Then again I think football is a team game and i saw more the team last night than i did an outstanding QB..

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Ice » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:27 am

Tvols wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:19 am
joeya2001 wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:07 am
Tvols wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:54 am


maybe you should.. i did he is a great rb but passer na.. he has a long way to go.. I like the part where he hit his on lineman in the back of the helmet two feet away :D .. Not saying he isnt a great scorer at the QB position and leading his team yes.. but the op says great passer he just isnt and 95% of his passes were around the LOS..
So the best defense weakness is just plugging in a RB who can pass is what you are saying?
sure ... he is a great scorer and rb ,qb na .. but then again I believe a QB can pass not a rb behind center.. He is not very good as a passer and if you think so then I m sorry.can he improve sure but History suggest they are who they are.. he will get you good scores for the next couple of years but when it comes down to passing unless he improves greatly he wont be getting the job done. Then again I think football is a team game and i saw more the team last night than i did an outstanding QB..
Pretty amazed so many get locked into what they think makes a good QB.

Lamar is 12-4 and redefining the position within his skill set. Their staff is doing an outstanding job playing to his strengths. Lamar made GREAT reads on a zero blitz for a big gain on 3rd down and dropped a dime on a 4th down throw.

No QB in the league could have made those two plays any better.

My take is if you didn’t see great play last night then you might consider cleaning your glasses.

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Weknownothing86 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:04 pm

Ice wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:27 am
Tvols wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:19 am
joeya2001 wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:07 am


So the best defense weakness is just plugging in a RB who can pass is what you are saying?
sure ... he is a great scorer and rb ,qb na .. but then again I believe a QB can pass not a rb behind center.. He is not very good as a passer and if you think so then I m sorry.can he improve sure but History suggest they are who they are.. he will get you good scores for the next couple of years but when it comes down to passing unless he improves greatly he wont be getting the job done. Then again I think football is a team game and i saw more the team last night than i did an outstanding QB..
Pretty amazed so many get locked into what they think makes a good QB.

Lamar is 12-4 and redefining the position within his skill set. Their staff is doing an outstanding job playing to his strengths. Lamar made GREAT reads on a zero blitz for a big gain on 3rd down and dropped a dime on a 4th down throw.

No QB in the league could have made those two plays any better.

My take is if you didn’t see great play last night then you might consider cleaning your glasses.
I agree, people are really dug in on Lamar being a "bad passer" and each week i enjoy seeing them get proven wrong. As a Brady fan i will tell you he has won a ton of championships making the short throws, so idk how thats a bad thing. Also like you said i saw some fantastic stuff from him last night and him not making any major mistakes. Did some balls get batted in the air? Sure but its a great defense, that happens. I think a lot of this is the people who dont like him seeing what they want to see. Id rather have him throw the ball a little high to Mark Andrews, where only andrews can make a play on it then throw it to low where it could get picked. Same thing with the first completion to Marquise Brown. He threw it low where it wasnt going to be picked off but brown could still make a play on it. Last night was a fantastic night for all of us Lamar supporters but the doubters just will never stop, its funny at this point.
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:19 pm

Ice wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:27 am
Tvols wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:19 am
joeya2001 wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:07 am


So the best defense weakness is just plugging in a RB who can pass is what you are saying?
sure ... he is a great scorer and rb ,qb na .. but then again I believe a QB can pass not a rb behind center.. He is not very good as a passer and if you think so then I m sorry.can he improve sure but History suggest they are who they are.. he will get you good scores for the next couple of years but when it comes down to passing unless he improves greatly he wont be getting the job done. Then again I think football is a team game and i saw more the team last night than i did an outstanding QB..
Pretty amazed so many get locked into what they think makes a good QB.

Lamar is 12-4 and redefining the position within his skill set. Their staff is doing an outstanding job playing to his strengths. Lamar made GREAT reads on a zero blitz for a big gain on 3rd down and dropped a dime on a 4th down throw.

No QB in the league could have made those two plays any better.

My take is if you didn’t see great play last night then you might consider cleaning your glasses.
I agree that Lamar is playing well, and he doesn't need to be an elite passer with his running skill set. He's a dual threat QB, and a very good one. Jackson isn't "redefining" anything, though.
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Tvols » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:32 pm

Ice wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:27 am
Tvols wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:19 am
joeya2001 wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:07 am


So the best defense weakness is just plugging in a RB who can pass is what you are saying?
sure ... he is a great scorer and rb ,qb na .. but then again I believe a QB can pass not a rb behind center.. He is not very good as a passer and if you think so then I m sorry.can he improve sure but History suggest they are who they are.. he will get you good scores for the next couple of years but when it comes down to passing unless he improves greatly he wont be getting the job done. Then again I think football is a team game and i saw more the team last night than i did an outstanding QB..
Pretty amazed so many get locked into what they think makes a good QB.

Lamar is 12-4 and redefining the position within his skill set. Their staff is doing an outstanding job playing to his strengths. Lamar made GREAT reads on a zero blitz for a big gain on 3rd down and dropped a dime on a 4th down throw.

No QB in the league could have made those two plays any better.

My take is if you didn’t see great play last night then you might consider cleaning your glasses.
lol redefining yeah right .. I didnt say he wasnt getting the job done just not a good passer.. If you want a RB for a QB enjoy.. cause he is doing an outstanding job..
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Ice » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:33 pm

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Stick around, I suspect you will see soon enough.

He is on pace to smash records. One can count on one hand since the SB era the QB’s that have done anything thing close to what Lamar has done.

I was watching Vick today saying he would be first in line to congratulate him when he smashes his records.

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby mild » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:15 pm

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I agree that Lamar is playing well, and he doesn't need to be an elite passer with his running skill set. He's a dual threat QB, and a very good one. Jackson isn't "redefining" anything, though.
What Ice said above. He is firmly in the race to be the MVP. He might break Vick's rushing record by the 3/4 mark of the season. He has back-to-back wins over two bonafide Playoff teams in his last two games. He is putting his team on his back, and he is the best player on his team.

But most of all: he (and the Ravens staff) are showing other teams that if you build around a talent like this, you *can* make it work. The entire league passed on him in 2018. (The Ravens even took a TE before him!) And He is showing every one of those teams that they. made. a. mistake.

Even in RG3's one magical rookie season, there were constant rumblings that the management preferred Kurt Cousins (lol) - they were still trying to make RG3 fit *their* traditional idea of a pocket QB, rather than leaning in to what made him unique and building around him. (They were also the Deadskins, and they grossly mismanaged his health in that playoff run - I firmly believe he was never the same as a result)

This is 100% a redefinition of the status quo. If you can't see that, then as Ice said - stick around for a bit, help yourself to a drink from the bar... maybe dip your toe in... the water is fine. 8-)

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:08 pm

mild wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:15 pm
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I agree that Lamar is playing well, and he doesn't need to be an elite passer with his running skill set. He's a dual threat QB, and a very good one. Jackson isn't "redefining" anything, though.
What Ice said above. He is firmly in the race to be the MVP. He might break Vick's rushing record by the 3/4 mark of the season. He has back-to-back wins over two bonafide Playoff teams in his last two games. He is putting his team on his back, and he is the best player on his team.

But most of all: he (and the Ravens staff) are showing other teams that if you build around a talent like this, you *can* make it work. The entire league passed on him in 2018. (The Ravens even took a TE before him!) And He is showing every one of those teams that they. made. a. mistake.

Even in RG3's one magical rookie season, there were constant rumblings that the management preferred Kurt Cousins (lol) - they were still trying to make RG3 fit *their* traditional idea of a pocket QB, rather than leaning in to what made him unique and building around him. (They were also the Deadskins, and they grossly mismanaged his health in that playoff run - I firmly believe he was never the same as a result)

This is 100% a redefinition of the status quo. If you can't see that, then as Ice said - stick around for a bit, help yourself to a drink from the bar... maybe dip your toe in... the water is fine. 8-)
Breaking the single season rushing mark for a QB doesn't qualify as "redefining the position", to me. Didn't say anything about Lamar not being good. He is in the MVP race, no doubt, but still well behind RW, in that race, IMO.
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