*MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Tvols » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:07 pm

I was looking more towards an improvement in going through his reads and throws .. the low % of completion when facing anything like a real nfl defense he struggles ..as a runner don’t think anyone would argue he isn’t a great runner for sure .. time will tell if the passes get better that is where a lot of see that may be a work in progress .. running he can get it done but putting a team on his back passing to get back in a game maybe where the problem comes .. thanks for the insight on yesterday game

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Weknownothing86 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:17 am

KCs defense is not as bad as everyone thinks. I think Lamars issue here was he overthought a lot of things and felt pressure to keep up with KCs offense. The O line also did not help at all. He needs to play his style and let the big throws come. That whole game was not his style. It was all deep balls that he was overthrowing because he was rushed. They should have just slowed the game down and used Ingram and some designed runs for Lamar then that would have opened up the field for Andrews and would have made for big gains by Brown. While Lamar didnt play great i also think the Ravens set him up for failure.
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"Lamar Jackson can Pass and the NFL is doomed"

Postby mild » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:08 pm

For any left on the "talented athlete, not a QB" ship... perhaps Brett Kollmann can sway you. Or perhaps you just like swimming.

https://youtu.be/x-JU81dYZIc

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Re: "Lamar Jackson can Pass and the NFL is doomed"

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:37 pm

mild wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:08 pm
For any left on the "talented athlete, not a QB" ship... perhaps Brett Kollmann can sway you. Or perhaps you just like swimming.

https://youtu.be/x-JU81dYZIc

The Mea Culpa tour is starting, and I'm really enjoying it.
This Brett Kollmann?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpVERe-MqOI

LOL.

I actually like Brett, but he wasn't exactly right about this. Lamar has definitely improved, but he still needs to show consistency. Last week was not a great week, against a decent opponent for the first time. He's still very young, though, so no reason to think he can't continue to improve.
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby mild » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:47 pm

Haha, I nearly went with a more conciliatory "Say what you want about Brett Kollmann..." but hey, I felt like celebrating.

To his Lamar video itself, though - anything in there you don't particularly agree with? He was still putting correct placement on balls he wouldn't have even attempted last year. Lamar's Year 1 -> 2 mechanics and improvements have been staggering, you've got to admit.

Not bad for a 22 year old RB.

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:00 pm

mild wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:47 pm
Haha, I nearly went with a more conciliatory "Say what you want about Brett Kollmann..." but hey, I felt like celebrating.

To his Lamar video itself, though - anything in there you don't particularly agree with? He was still putting correct placement on balls he wouldn't have even attempted last year. Lamar's Year 1 -> 2 mechanics and improvements have been staggering, you've got to admit.

Not bad for a 22 year old RB.
I concur. He's much better. Interested to see his progression.
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby notweswelker » Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:11 pm

He looks good, close to what RGIII was doing. My concerns are even more with Jackson.
RGIII could throw at a level that is right about the height of what Jackson can reasonably attain.
The questions will arise once LJax starts to accumulate these hits and people remember why the average RB career is 2.5 seasons.
I've got one share of Jackson and I'll be selling either during this season or immediately afterwards. If he can stay healthy I full expect him to be a top 5 fantasy qb.

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby bjd5211 » Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:32 pm

notweswelker wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:11 pm
He looks good, close to what RGIII was doing. My concerns are even more with Jackson.
RGIII could throw at a level that is right about the height of what Jackson can reasonably attain.
The questions will arise once LJax starts to accumulate these hits and people remember why the average RB career is 2.5 seasons.
I've got one share of Jackson and I'll be selling either during this season or immediately afterwards. If he can stay healthy I full expect him to be a top 5 fantasy qb.
RG3 was far more reckless running the ball and took more hits than Lamar. Lamar has been very good at getting down or out of bounds, he really hasn't taken more hits on average than other QBs. Watson and Wentz are taking way more hits than Lamar, but I never see that brought up around here as a knock on them or their value. The biggest hits Lamar takes aren't when he's running, they're when he's in the pocket just like most QBs.

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby ArrylT » Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:15 am

I am not 100% but I'm pretty sure one of the reasons the Ravens signed RGIII was to mentor Lamar Jackson in what happens if you do take too many of those types of hits. Plus of course he could step in and be a decent backup in a familiar system.
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Jigga94 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:20 am

ArrylT wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:15 am
I am not 100% but I'm pretty sure one of the reasons the Ravens signed RGIII was to mentor Lamar Jackson in what happens if you do take too many of those types of hits. Plus of course he could step in and be a decent backup in a familiar system.
I'd say Lamar was about 80% of why RG3 was brought in... Although the Ravens would never openly say that.

The other 20% ended up with RG3 actually performing really well preseason 2018 and earned a roster spot as a 3rd QB, which up until then, the Ravens never did
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby TheNuts » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:43 pm

Truth, Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer.

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Ice » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:21 pm

TheNuts wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:43 pm
Truth, Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer.
The real truth is very few around these parts believed Jackson would ever amount to anything passing the ball.

Pass attempts have increased by 20.1 per game and is averaging 30.1 attempts.
Average has increased from 7.1 to a very respectable 7.7 this season
Completion percentage increased from 58.2% to 63.3%

What is really scary is his rushing efficiency has also increased from 4.7 YPC to 6.9 and his rushing attempts have increased from 9.2 to 11.9 per game.

Probably about time for his detractors to at least admit this player is way better than first considered and is certainly not one dimensional.

On side note his Accuracy and Average are better than Goff and Wentz YTD.

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby TheNuts » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:50 pm

Ice wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:21 pm
TheNuts wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:43 pm
Truth, Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer.
The real truth is very few around these parts believed Jackson would ever amount to anything passing the ball.

Pass attempts have increased by 20.1 per game and is averaging 30.1 attempts.
Average has increased from 7.1 to a very respectable 7.7 this season
Completion percentage increased from 58.2% to 63.3%

What is really scary is his rushing efficiency has also increased from 4.7 YPC to 6.9 and his rushing attempts have increased from 9.2 to 11.9 per game.

Probably about time for his detractors to at least admit this player is way better than first considered and is certainly not one dimensional.

On side note his Accuracy and Average are better than Goff and Wentz YTD.
He has proven me wrong up to this point. I am still not sure he is good enough to win a SB. If the Ravens could get an elite defense around him then maybe.

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Phaded » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:59 pm

If Kyle Boller or Joe Flacco can win a Super Bowl, Lamar can.

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby bjd5211 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:07 pm

Phaded wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:59 pm
If Kyle Boller or Joe Flacco can win a Super Bowl, Lamar can.
Kyle Boller didn't, Trent Dilfer did.


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