Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

[Space Cowboy]

Can't fit a square peg in a round hole.

I like the guy, in real life and in fantasy. I would have (real life) taken him ahead of Darnold and Allen. He can change games but he won't be turning into a pocket passer. It's not who he is.

[jenkins.math]

Can't fit a square peg in a round hole.

I like the guy, in real life and in fantasy. I would have (real life) taken him ahead of Darnold and Allen. He can change games but he won't be turning into a pocket passer. It's not who he is.

This is where I disagree. QBs that can run are awesome for fantasy. The list of running QBs that produced QB1 seasons early in their career is crazy. Even Vince Young was a QB1 his first year. The rushing yards and rushing TDs just gives them such a nice floor.

The issue is longevity with these guys both in real life and fantasy. If you can't sit in the pocket and go through your reads you won't last very long in the NFL. Especially if you take a bunch of extra hits (RG3) and injuries start to mount. Cam looks like the oldest 30 year old QB ever. Then you add in the skill set as a passer not developing enough to win a Super Bowl and teams move on from you. You may raise the team's record to respectability, but along with that comes new expectations. Once you fall short of those new ones your replacement is being drafted or signed. Kaepernick made it to a SB and then a couple years later was done as a starter.

When it comes to mobile QBs I look at most of them on the same fantasy timeline as RBs. They need to produce on their rookie deal and then I'm cashing out before they come crashing down to earth.

[Ice]

Can't fit a square peg in a round hole.

I like the guy, in real life and in fantasy. I would have (real life) taken him ahead of Darnold and Allen. He can change games but he won't be turning into a pocket passer. It's not who he is.

These days the modern QB’s are mobile.

Players like Lamar, Allen, Murray, Dak and Daniel are just more mobile than most.

Lamar is developing quite nicely. He is becoming a significant weapon.

Mahomes is also quite mobile it’s just that he has a cannon with the precision of a guided missile. No real sense in comparing him to any other QB at this point. It’s obvious he is already a generational talent but this Group of QB’s looks great.

The NFL is in good hands as the old guard fades away.

Who knows maybe in our lifetime even Brady Goat will retire.

[jcc6fd]

Not sure if this was said about the KC game but for those who didn’t watch and are looking at the box score two of Lamar’s longest completions were bad decisions that were either lucky, a product of terrible defense or both. One a blind desperation heave while being sacked, and the other a pass that crossed the entire field that somehow wasn’t intercepted.

Not arguing he has been bad this year or that he can’t develop, just that his passing numbers from week 3, while not great, should actually have been worse

[Tvols]

I was looking more towards an improvement in going through his reads and throws .. the low % of completion when facing anything like a real nfl defense he struggles ..as a runner don’t think anyone would argue he isn’t a great runner for sure .. time will tell if the passes get better that is where a lot of see that may be a work in progress .. running he can get it done but putting a team on his back passing to get back in a game maybe where the problem comes .. thanks for the insight on yesterday game

[Patsfan86]

KCs defense is not as bad as everyone thinks. I think Lamars issue here was he overthought a lot of things and felt pressure to keep up with KCs offense. The O line also did not help at all. He needs to play his style and let the big throws come. That whole game was not his style. It was all deep balls that he was overthrowing because he was rushed. They should have just slowed the game down and used Ingram and some designed runs for Lamar then that would have opened up the field for Andrews and would have made for big gains by Brown. While Lamar didnt play great i also think the Ravens set him up for failure.

[mild]

For any left on the "talented athlete, not a QB" ship... perhaps Brett Kollmann can sway you. Or perhaps you just like swimming.

https://youtu.be/x-JU81dYZIc

The Mea Culpa tour is starting, and I'm really enjoying it.

[FantasyFreak]

For any left on the "talented athlete, not a QB" ship... perhaps Brett Kollmann can sway you. Or perhaps you just like swimming.

https://youtu.be/x-JU81dYZIc

The Mea Culpa tour is starting, and I'm really enjoying it.

This Brett Kollmann?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpVERe-MqOI

LOL.

I actually like Brett, but he wasn't exactly right about this. Lamar has definitely improved, but he still needs to show consistency. Last week was not a great week, against a decent opponent for the first time. He's still very young, though, so no reason to think he can't continue to improve.

[mild]

Haha, I nearly went with a more conciliatory "Say what you want about Brett Kollmann..." but hey, I felt like celebrating.

To his Lamar video itself, though - anything in there you don't particularly agree with? He was still putting correct placement on balls he wouldn't have even attempted last year. Lamar's Year 1 -> 2 mechanics and improvements have been staggering, you've got to admit.

Not bad for a 22 year old RB.

[FantasyFreak]

Haha, I nearly went with a more conciliatory "Say what you want about Brett Kollmann..." but hey, I felt like celebrating.

To his Lamar video itself, though - anything in there you don't particularly agree with? He was still putting correct placement on balls he wouldn't have even attempted last year. Lamar's Year 1 -> 2 mechanics and improvements have been staggering, you've got to admit.

Not bad for a 22 year old RB.

I concur. He's much better. Interested to see his progression.

[notweswelker]

He looks good, close to what RGIII was doing. My concerns are even more with Jackson.
RGIII could throw at a level that is right about the height of what Jackson can reasonably attain.
The questions will arise once LJax starts to accumulate these hits and people remember why the average RB career is 2.5 seasons.
I've got one share of Jackson and I'll be selling either during this season or immediately afterwards. If he can stay healthy I full expect him to be a top 5 fantasy qb.

[bjd5211]

He looks good, close to what RGIII was doing. My concerns are even more with Jackson.
RGIII could throw at a level that is right about the height of what Jackson can reasonably attain.
The questions will arise once LJax starts to accumulate these hits and people remember why the average RB career is 2.5 seasons.
I've got one share of Jackson and I'll be selling either during this season or immediately afterwards. If he can stay healthy I full expect him to be a top 5 fantasy qb.

RG3 was far more reckless running the ball and took more hits than Lamar. Lamar has been very good at getting down or out of bounds, he really hasn't taken more hits on average than other QBs. Watson and Wentz are taking way more hits than Lamar, but I never see that brought up around here as a knock on them or their value. The biggest hits Lamar takes aren't when he's running, they're when he's in the pocket just like most QBs.

[ArrylT]

I am not 100% but I'm pretty sure one of the reasons the Ravens signed RGIII was to mentor Lamar Jackson in what happens if you do take too many of those types of hits. Plus of course he could step in and be a decent backup in a familiar system.

[Jigga94]

I am not 100% but I'm pretty sure one of the reasons the Ravens signed RGIII was to mentor Lamar Jackson in what happens if you do take too many of those types of hits. Plus of course he could step in and be a decent backup in a familiar system.

I'd say Lamar was about 80% of why RG3 was brought in... Although the Ravens would never openly say that.

The other 20% ended up with RG3 actually performing really well preseason 2018 and earned a roster spot as a 3rd QB, which up until then, the Ravens never did

[TheNuts]

Truth, Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer.