*MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

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*MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby MrUbuto » Wed May 08, 2019 10:07 pm

Why do most people seem that this is fact? They don't even state it like "I think Lamar Jackson won't be a viable passer" it's more like "well we know that for fact bit he can run good"

First of all as a rookie on a less than stellar offensive attack with even less than stellar offensive weapons the kid still put up +1700 yards in 7 starts.that pro rare out to pretty close to 4000 yards which puts him ahead of guys like dak Prescott, russel Wilson, Stafford and brees(only played 15 games and was just a hair under 4000)

In college the threw for +7100 in 26 games, about 3550 a year in 13 games. Which would put him well over 4500 yards in a 16 game season which is certainly elite.

I have no idea if he will be "elite" as a passer but his rookie season would definitely lead me to believe he certainly can and the way they added some serious speed and weapons can only help.

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Unicorn92 » Wed May 08, 2019 10:42 pm

Lamar jackson seems like another Vick all over again so to me he will not be a great qb to thrrow. Same for Murray. Running qb who could have not trouble to be successful at throwing where few in my mind. Steve Young and John Elway comes to my mind. It is possible Jackson can become good to throw but that means he will run less. Personnaly i do not count on that but i could be wrong
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Hottoddies » Wed May 08, 2019 11:04 pm

MrUbuto wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 10:07 pm
Why do most people seem that this is fact? They don't even state it like "I think Lamar Jackson won't be a viable passer" it's more like "well we know that for fact bit he can run good"

First of all as a rookie on a less than stellar offensive attack with even less than stellar offensive weapons the kid still put up +1700 yards in 7 starts.that pro rare out to pretty close to 4000 yards which puts him ahead of guys like dak Prescott, russel Wilson, Stafford and brees(only played 15 games and was just a hair under 4000)

In college the threw for +7100 in 26 games, about 3550 a year in 13 games. Which would put him well over 4500 yards in a 16 game season which is certainly elite.

I have no idea if he will be "elite" as a passer but his rookie season would definitely lead me to believe he certainly can and the way they added some serious speed and weapons can only help.

Long story short marquise brown will be a stud.
Where the heck are you getting your numbers from my friend? If we're taking about Jackson as a passer we should be looking at his passing yards, right. In the 7 games he started he threw for 1,114 yards; pro rated out for a 16 game season would give him 2,546 yards. I really don't think those number come close to elite passing status.
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby FantasyFreak » Wed May 08, 2019 11:44 pm

I believe it's the future truth. I think we will see Jackson is not an accurate passer, and they will try and overcome it with gadgetry and speed, we shall see how that goes.
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby problemsolver » Thu May 09, 2019 12:40 am

Unicorn92 wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 10:42 pm
Lamar jackson seems like another Vick all over again so to me he will not be a great qb to thrrow. Same for Murray. Running qb who could have not trouble to be successful at throwing where few in my mind. Steve Young and John Elway comes to my mind. It is possible Jackson can become good to throw but that means he will run less. Personnaly i do not count on that but i could be wrong
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby failblazer » Thu May 09, 2019 3:09 am

He had a 57% completion percentage in college. I think that is a large part of where the narrative but also the concern comes from.

Beyond that I worry that he is pretty much the same height and weight as RG3. Will he stand up to punishment over time if he is asked to run a lot?
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Phaded » Thu May 09, 2019 3:15 am

Honestly, anyone who says any rookie will never be something is just being naive.

There is this thing called player development..

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby FuzzySignificance » Thu May 09, 2019 4:11 am

the ravens used two out of their first 3 picks to draft receivers. they intend to have a competitive passing attack.
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby djeternal2 » Thu May 09, 2019 5:50 am

FuzzySignificance wrote:
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the ravens used two out of their first 3 picks to draft receivers. they intend to have a competitive passing attack.
Or they had a need in that offense to have deep speed that the defense needs to respect to open up the middle of the field for shorter routes & the run game.
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Phaded » Thu May 09, 2019 6:05 am

Or you cannot run an NFL offense when an aged Crabtree, John Brown & Willie Snead are your top three guys.

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby jenkins.math » Thu May 09, 2019 6:29 am

Phaded wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 3:15 am
Honestly, anyone who says any rookie will never be something is just being naive.

There is this thing called player development..
This is also dynasty where owners have to make projections 3 years down the road on players. Everyone makes their own projections on players all the time. Some are writing off rookies before they have ever played a snap in the NFL. I don't see you or anybody making these comments in those threads, so why is Lamar off limits?
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

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Unicorn92 wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 10:42 pm
Lamar jackson seems like another Vick all over again so to me he will not be a great qb to thrrow. Same for Murray. Running qb who could have not trouble to be successful at throwing where few in my mind. Steve Young and John Elway comes to my mind. It is possible Jackson can become good to throw but that means he will run less. Personnaly i do not count on that but i could be wrong
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John Elway had a career completion percentage of 56.9% Y/A 7.1

Lamar Jackson rookie year completion percentage was 58.2% Y/A 7.1

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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby jenkins.math » Thu May 09, 2019 7:04 am

Ice wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 6:44 am

HMMMM

John Elway had a career completion percentage of 56.9% Y/A 7.1

Lamar Jackson rookie year completion percentage was 58.2% Y/A 7.1
John Elway threw for more than 20 TD's only 6 times in his entire career. Troy Aikman only once. Comparing the numbers of today's QB's with guys from 20 years ago is irresponsible. The NFL has made the game more QB and passing friendly for today's players. It's almost an entirely different league.
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Pac_Eddy » Thu May 09, 2019 7:05 am

One of the biggest reasons I believe Lamar Jackson is not a good passer is that the Ravens changed their entire offense to suit his running and limit his passing to a couple reads and half of the field. They ran the ball more than any other team once Jackson was the starter.

Yeah, he can change and get better, but more running QBs don't become good passers than do. This is not being a hater or naive, it's playing the odds.
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Re: *MYTH* Lamar Jackson will never be a good passer

Postby Ice » Thu May 09, 2019 7:11 am

jenkins.math wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 7:04 am
Ice wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 6:44 am

HMMMM

John Elway had a career completion percentage of 56.9% Y/A 7.1

Lamar Jackson rookie year completion percentage was 58.2% Y/A 7.1
John Elway threw for more than 20 TD's only 6 times in his entire career. Troy Aikman only once. Comparing the numbers of today's QB's with guys from 20 years ago is irresponsible. The NFL has made the game more QB and passing friendly for today's players. It's almost an entirely different league.
All that is true but then again with all the group think about the Ravens as an old school running team thought it was an interesting stat.

Around hear, everyone claims Lamar can’t throw it so they will run all the time.

The point was one can’t really have it both ways.

The real question is will the Ravens modernize their offense to compete with Lamar. The draft is an indication they intend to do just that.


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