More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby remedy29 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:49 pm

Orenthal Shames wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:20 pm
Senior Bowl tidbit:

Since 2010 there have been 128 WR's who have attended the event. 6 have gone on to have a top 24 season in their careers. That's under 5%.
That tidbit of information is not much use without more context. How many of those 128 WRs we're drafted in Round 1? How many in round 2? And 3?
We already know players drafted after round 3 have a very low hit rate.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:04 pm

remedy29 wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:49 pm
Orenthal Shames wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:20 pm
Senior Bowl tidbit:

Since 2010 there have been 128 WR's who have attended the event. 6 have gone on to have a top 24 season in their careers. That's under 5%.
That tidbit of information is not much use without more context. How many of those 128 WRs we're drafted in Round 1? How many in round 2? And 3?
We already know players drafted after round 3 have a very low hit rate.
Wide receivers who exhaust their eligibility are notoriously risky.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby ravn88 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:48 am

A Danish football writer publiched his top 50 big board.
With a few words on each.

Here are the skilled positions;

2. Joe Burrow QB LSU
4. CeeDee Lamb WR OU
5. Tua Tagovalioa QB Bama
9. Henry Ruggs WR Bama
12. Jery Juedy WR Bama
20. Jonathan Taylor RB Winconsin
21. Jordan Love QB Utah State
22. Jalen Reagor WR TCU
26. Cole Kmet TE Notre Dame
27. Brandon Aiyuk WR Arizona State
28. Justin Herbert QB Oregon
30. JK Dobbins RB Ohio State
33. Michael Pittman Jr WR USC
38. Justin Jefferson WR LSU
39. Zack Moss RB Utah
41. Tee Higgins WR Clemson
44. Brycen Hopkins TE Purdue
47. Clyde Edwards-Helaire RB LSU
50. D’Andre Swift RB Georgia

Big names outside:
57. Laviska Shenault WR Colorado 57
68. K.J. Hamler, WR Penn State 68
73. Jacob Eason, QB Washington
100. Jalen Hurts QB Oklahoma

If there is any of the top 50, you wanna here why he think they belong there, Ill translate it for you.
Team 1 : 1QB 2RB 3 WR 1TE 1Flex 1K 1TM 2 IR 12 Keepers

QB: Carson Wentz, P. Mahomes
RB: M. Gordon, M. Ingram, J. Mixon, A. Jones & Jamaal W
WR: D. Hopkins, J. Jones K. Allen, M. Jones, J Crowder, Humpries & Moncrief
TE: E. Engram, Trey Burton, V Davis & J. Doyle

Team 2: 1QB 3RB 5WR 2TE 3FLEX DEF 26 Keepers 2019 Champ :thumbup:

QB: Wentz, Goff Josh Allen & Lock
RB: Barkley Zeke K. Hunt McCoy Penny D. Williams & Ito
WR: M. Thomas Cooper Godwin Juju J. Washington Renfrow & Zay
TE: Engram OJ Howard Waller & Everett
DEF: Pats Jags & Browns

Team 3: 1QB 1SF 2RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX DEF K

QB: Wilson Wentz Tannehill Teddy Haskins
RB: CMC Zeke Miles AP Gaskins
WR: Evans Adams Landry Metcalf Meyers
TE: Engram Ebron Herndon
DEF: Tampa

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby YouMightDieTryin » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:52 am

"Texas' Collin Johnson is simultaneously the biggest wide receiver in Mobile and has the smallest hands. That's correct. Scouts measured the 6'6" target with 8 3/4-inch hands."
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby bjd5211 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:25 am

YouMightDieTryin wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:52 am
"Texas' Collin Johnson is simultaneously the biggest wide receiver in Mobile and has the smallest hands. That's correct. Scouts measured the 6'6" target with 8 3/4-inch hands."
He made a massive mistake returning to school. Obviously that has nothing to do with his hand size, and that would have hurt his value last year, but he was pretty highly regarded by several evaluators and would have gone higher. There are so many guys who look like very intriguing prospects as Juniors with some question marks that end up costing themselves a lot of money by returning to school because the intrigue kind of wears off but the questions don't go away. It's part of the reason for that stat about the Senior Bowl and only a small percentage of participants going on to be great pros, the most talented WRs all leave as Juniors and aren't eligible for the Senior Bowl, and the handful of great Seniors tend to skip it.

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby IBall2 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:15 am

Orenthal Shames wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:20 pm
Senior Bowl tidbit:

Since 2010 there have been 128 WR's who have attended the event. 6 have gone on to have a top 24 season in their careers. That's under 5%.
I saw this tweet from @DynastyGuruFF also. Based on historical data we can assume approximately 1 of the 15 WRs at the senior bowl this year will be a top 24 WR at some point in their career. Here's a list of the WRs:
Brandon Aiyuk
Chase Claypool
Quartney Davis
Devin Duvernay
Austin Mack
Antonio Gandy-Golden
Antonio Gibson
KJ Hill
Van Jefferson
Jauan Jennings
Collin Johnson
Kalija Lipscomb
Denzel Mims
Michael Pittman Jr
James Proche

Pick your favorite one and fade the rest

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby bjd5211 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:23 am

IBall2 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:15 am
Orenthal Shames wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:20 pm
Senior Bowl tidbit:

Since 2010 there have been 128 WR's who have attended the event. 6 have gone on to have a top 24 season in their careers. That's under 5%.
I saw this tweet from @DynastyGuruFF also. Based on historical data we can assume approximately 1 of the 15 WRs at the senior bowl this year will be a top 24 WR at some point in their career. Here's a list of the WRs:
Brandon Aiyuk
Chase Claypool
Quartney Davis
Devin Duvernay
Austin Mack
Antonio Gandy-Golden
Antonio Gibson
KJ Hill
Van Jefferson
Jauan Jennings
Collin Johnson
Kalija Lipscomb
Denzel Mims
Michael Pittman Jr
James Proche

Pick your favorite one and fade the rest
Aiyuk
Hill
Gandy-Golden
Pittman

Are really the only ones with a chance at fantasy relevance, maybe Johnson but doubt it.

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby Orenthal Shames » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:26 am

remedy29 wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:49 pm
Orenthal Shames wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:20 pm
Senior Bowl tidbit:

Since 2010 there have been 128 WR's who have attended the event. 6 have gone on to have a top 24 season in their careers. That's under 5%.
That tidbit of information is not much use without more context. How many of those 128 WRs we're drafted in Round 1? How many in round 2? And 3?
We already know players drafted after round 3 have a very low hit rate.
I don't think it doesn't have standalone value. I doubt many 1st round WRs attend the senior bowl. Deebo was close, so he'll be a good measuring stick. If he only ends up with a single season as a top 24 WR, I'd imagine he'd be viewed as a bust given he was typically a 1st round dynasty rookie draft pick.

I posted it mainly to stand as a reminder not to get too infatuated with these prospects. With all the senior bowl data rolling in, we're all itching for draft season and recency bias can easily touch us all.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby Lord_Varys » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:08 am

Very interested to see KJ Hill's 40-yd dash at OSU pro day, whenever it is. That program pumps out pro-ready receivers, and he has the school's all-time receptions record. Like Terry McLaurin he was always a dependable guy for the Buckeyes, but under the radar until the senior bowl. Looks like he's running really good routes this week which doesn't surprise me, which also happened with McLaurin at his senior bowl. It wasn't until his 4.38 that I had my "oh sh-t" moment with McLaurin, so I'm interested to see Hill's athletic upside. He has the pedigree, the savy, the hands. Good size at 6'0 194lbs to be a contributor if not an alpha.

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby Kmani6 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:16 am

ravn88 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:48 am
A Danish football writer publiched his top 50 big board.
With a few words on each.

Here are the skilled positions;

2. Joe Burrow QB LSU
4. CeeDee Lamb WR OU
5. Tua Tagovalioa QB Bama
9. Henry Ruggs WR Bama
12. Jery Juedy WR Bama
20. Jonathan Taylor RB Winconsin
21. Jordan Love QB Utah State
22. Jalen Reagor WR TCU
26. Cole Kmet TE Notre Dame
27. Brandon Aiyuk WR Arizona State
28. Justin Herbert QB Oregon
30. JK Dobbins RB Ohio State
33. Michael Pittman Jr WR USC
38. Justin Jefferson WR LSU
39. Zack Moss RB Utah
41. Tee Higgins WR Clemson
44. Brycen Hopkins TE Purdue
47. Clyde Edwards-Helaire RB LSU
50. D’Andre Swift RB Georgia

Big names outside:
57. Laviska Shenault WR Colorado 57
68. K.J. Hamler, WR Penn State 68
73. Jacob Eason, QB Washington
100. Jalen Hurts QB Oklahoma

If there is any of the top 50, you wanna here why he think they belong there, Ill translate it for you.
I highly doubt giants take a receiver at 4. They need Oline way more to protect Jones and help Saquon out.
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QB: Dak Prescott
RB: Todd Gurley, Nick Chubb, Dalvin Cook
WR: Devante Adams, Mike Evans, OBJ , Keenan Allen, A.J. Brown, Auden Tate, C. Samuel, D. Pettis, Zach Pascal, D. Johnson, A. Miller
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby djeternal2 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:24 am

Kmani6 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:16 am
ravn88 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:48 am
A Danish football writer publiched his top 50 big board.
With a few words on each.

Here are the skilled positions;

2. Joe Burrow QB LSU
4. CeeDee Lamb WR OU
5. Tua Tagovalioa QB Bama
9. Henry Ruggs WR Bama
12. Jery Juedy WR Bama
20. Jonathan Taylor RB Winconsin
21. Jordan Love QB Utah State
22. Jalen Reagor WR TCU
26. Cole Kmet TE Notre Dame
27. Brandon Aiyuk WR Arizona State
28. Justin Herbert QB Oregon
30. JK Dobbins RB Ohio State
33. Michael Pittman Jr WR USC
38. Justin Jefferson WR LSU
39. Zack Moss RB Utah
41. Tee Higgins WR Clemson
44. Brycen Hopkins TE Purdue
47. Clyde Edwards-Helaire RB LSU
50. D’Andre Swift RB Georgia

Big names outside:
57. Laviska Shenault WR Colorado 57
68. K.J. Hamler, WR Penn State 68
73. Jacob Eason, QB Washington
100. Jalen Hurts QB Oklahoma

If there is any of the top 50, you wanna here why he think they belong there, Ill translate it for you.
I highly doubt giants take a receiver at 4. They need Oline way more to protect Jones and help Saquon out.
It's a top 50 big board not an NFL mock. That said I dismissed it when I saw Ruggs over Juedy, Love at 21, and a TE at 26. None of the TEs coming out are the 26th best player available in the draft this year imo. Not to mention Swift at 50.
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RB - Gurley, A Jones, Cohen, Kerryon, Dam Williams, Duke, I Smith, Armstead, T Carson
WR - AJG, Watkins, ARob, A. Cooper, K Allen, M Williams, Godwin, Callaway, JJAW
TE - Gesicki, I Smith, Herndon, Eifert, Sternberger, Dissly

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QB - Mahomes, Mayfield, Wentz,
RB - Zeke, Chubb, Kerryon, Duke, Edmonds, B Hill
WR - Nuk, AJG, ARob, JJS, Samuel, MVS, T Smith, D Hamilton, Gallup, K Johnson
TE - Njoku, Eifert, Herndon, I Smith, I Thomas, Moreau
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby ravn88 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:49 am

djeternal2 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:24 am
Kmani6 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:16 am
ravn88 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:48 am
A Danish football writer publiched his top 50 big board.
With a few words on each.

Here are the skilled positions;

2. Joe Burrow QB LSU
4. CeeDee Lamb WR OU
5. Tua Tagovalioa QB Bama
9. Henry Ruggs WR Bama
12. Jery Juedy WR Bama
20. Jonathan Taylor RB Winconsin
21. Jordan Love QB Utah State
22. Jalen Reagor WR TCU
26. Cole Kmet TE Notre Dame
27. Brandon Aiyuk WR Arizona State
28. Justin Herbert QB Oregon
30. JK Dobbins RB Ohio State
33. Michael Pittman Jr WR USC
38. Justin Jefferson WR LSU
39. Zack Moss RB Utah
41. Tee Higgins WR Clemson
44. Brycen Hopkins TE Purdue
47. Clyde Edwards-Helaire RB LSU
50. D’Andre Swift RB Georgia

Big names outside:
57. Laviska Shenault WR Colorado 57
68. K.J. Hamler, WR Penn State 68
73. Jacob Eason, QB Washington
100. Jalen Hurts QB Oklahoma

If there is any of the top 50, you wanna here why he think they belong there, Ill translate it for you.
I highly doubt giants take a receiver at 4. They need Oline way more to protect Jones and help Saquon out.
It's a top 50 big board not an NFL mock. That said I dismissed it when I saw Ruggs over Juedy, Love at 21, and a TE at 26. None of the TEs coming out are the 26th best player available in the draft this year imo. Not to mention Swift at 50.

This is a google translate of his opinion on Jeudy

However, I have little doubt as to whether his ceiling is as high and his role can be as versatile as Lamb and Ruggs', which is why I have him a little lower. Jeudy is not super fast (like Lamb wasn't), but his body control and strength are not great, so he doesn't have the same ability to make spectacular catches as Lamb, or the same ability to win jumpballs or deep throws as Lamb . But a number 12 ranking still testifies to the fact that I think Jeudy is a really good player.


And his opionion on Swift

Last man on the list is a man that many others will probably have higher. I just don't think Swift is good enough between tackles. He lacks strength, balance and vision up the middle, and although he is a capable receiver and can make people miss out on the outside, he just needs to come up with more between tackles if he is to be a candidate for being the best running back of the year.
Team 1 : 1QB 2RB 3 WR 1TE 1Flex 1K 1TM 2 IR 12 Keepers

QB: Carson Wentz, P. Mahomes
RB: M. Gordon, M. Ingram, J. Mixon, A. Jones & Jamaal W
WR: D. Hopkins, J. Jones K. Allen, M. Jones, J Crowder, Humpries & Moncrief
TE: E. Engram, Trey Burton, V Davis & J. Doyle

Team 2: 1QB 3RB 5WR 2TE 3FLEX DEF 26 Keepers 2019 Champ :thumbup:

QB: Wentz, Goff Josh Allen & Lock
RB: Barkley Zeke K. Hunt McCoy Penny D. Williams & Ito
WR: M. Thomas Cooper Godwin Juju J. Washington Renfrow & Zay
TE: Engram OJ Howard Waller & Everett
DEF: Pats Jags & Browns

Team 3: 1QB 1SF 2RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX DEF K

QB: Wilson Wentz Tannehill Teddy Haskins
RB: CMC Zeke Miles AP Gaskins
WR: Evans Adams Landry Metcalf Meyers
TE: Engram Ebron Herndon
DEF: Tampa

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby killer_of_giants » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:53 am

djeternal2 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:24 am
That said I dismissed it when I saw Ruggs over Juedy, Love at 21, and a TE at 26. None of the TEs coming out are the 26th best player available in the draft this year imo. Not to mention Swift at 50.
are you only interested in rankings that reflect your (or the consensus) opinion?

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby Cult of Dionysus » Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:18 am

YouMightDieTryin wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:52 am
"Texas' Collin Johnson is simultaneously the biggest wide receiver in Mobile and has the smallest hands. That's correct. Scouts measured the 6'6" target with 8 3/4-inch hands."
This reminded me of that movie with that actor who had like 3 wishes from the devil and kept getting screwed by his wishes, in particular when he wished to me athletic and famous, and became a huge pro QB but with a tiny pecker.

I hope for Johnson's sake, it's only his hands which are "undersized".

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby Lumps » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:01 am

Former Arizona State wide receiver Brandon Aiyuk had one of the most shocking measurements of any player at this week's 2020 Reese’s Senior Bowl or any in the history of the event. Standing 5-foot-11 and 3/4 without shoes, Aiyuk recorded an 81-inch wingspan, equivalent to 6-foot-9.
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