More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

[BigJoeWall72]

Can someone please explain to me the difference between Christian McCaffrey coming out of Stamford in 2017 and Clyde Edwards-Helaire coming out of LSU in 2020?

I know they aren't the exact same player, but I see SOOOOO many similarities. I think the biggest difference is break-away speed, where CMC shows definitively faster than CEH. CEH is a little thicker / stockier than CMC which likely holds him back in the speed department.

Both have amazing hands coming out of the backfield and pose as a legitimate threat to line-up out wide and run routes. Both are better-than-expected runners between the tackles and both truly excel in open space. Both players show a tremendous ability to change direction on a dime, elite lateral agility, and an ability to juke defenders without having to slow down.

I'm not done with my CEH tape evaluation, but I can't help but get CMC vibes when I'm watching him. Why is he largely considered a tier 2 or even tier 3 RB in this class? What am I missing?

I think it is because he only came on this year, and only really strong and consistent in the latter half of the year, where as CMC was 2660 and 1900 yards from scrimmage as a sophomore and junior. CEH is going to be a weapon in the NFL, dude can play ball with the best of them

Well for one CEH is 5 8. There are simply very few RBs of that size that can be workhorse backs at the NFL level. So CEH is at best a tier 2 RB when comparing to some of the other backs based on size alone. Swift is 5 9, which is noticeably better for the RB position, especially when you consider he weighs 216, which is still NFL size. Not to mention Swifts lateral agility is through the roof. The other tier 1 guys (Dobbins/JT) have obvious NFL size.

Height/weight was the same argument people had for why CMC wouldn't be a workhorse back.....

[AussieMate]

I've officially lost the plot, I now have picks 1.02, 1.05, 1.07, 1.08, 1.09, come one NFL draft lets get some good landing spots. (I'm also in talks for the 1.03

[AussieMate]

My rankings atm (constantly in flux and will change drastically when drafted)

Burrow
Swift (his moves are so fluid to me)
Dobbins (Damn but I love that jump cut)
Lamb (so strong and just looks the part)
Tua (a red shirt year could be so beneficial for his long term development)
Taylor (a little down on him than most, but would be happy to land him)
Jeudy (for some reason he just doesn't pop on tape for me but smarter people than me say he's legit)
Reagor (personal favourite of mine, love watching him move)
Herbert
Shenault (high risk but so much potential)
Jefferson
Akers
Edwards (starting to really like this guy)
Ruggs (no one is falling faster than Ruggs for me atm)

haven't looked into the other QBs much atm so didn't try and place them.

[Kmani6]

I think it is because he only came on this year, and only really strong and consistent in the latter half of the year, where as CMC was 2660 and 1900 yards from scrimmage as a sophomore and junior. CEH is going to be a weapon in the NFL, dude can play ball with the best of them

Well for one CEH is 5 8. There are simply very few RBs of that size that can be workhorse backs at the NFL level. So CEH is at best a tier 2 RB when comparing to some of the other backs based on size alone. Swift is 5 9, which is noticeably better for the RB position, especially when you consider he weighs 216, which is still NFL size. Not to mention Swifts lateral agility is through the roof. The other tier 1 guys (Dobbins/JT) have obvious NFL size.

Wait, 1 inch makes a prospect noticably better at a position that is arguably the least reliant on height?
Huh?

You didn’t read the end of the same exact sentence? “Especially when you consider he weighs 216.” Swift has NFL 3 down RB size; CEH does not.

[FantasyFreak]

Well for one CEH is 5 8. There are simply very few RBs of that size that can be workhorse backs at the NFL level. So CEH is at best a tier 2 RB when comparing to some of the other backs based on size alone. Swift is 5 9, which is noticeably better for the RB position, especially when you consider he weighs 216, which is still NFL size. Not to mention Swifts lateral agility is through the roof. The other tier 1 guys (Dobbins/JT) have obvious NFL size.

Wait, 1 inch makes a prospect noticably better at a position that is arguably the least reliant on height?
Huh?

You didn’t read the end of the same exact sentence? “Especially when you consider he weighs 216.” Swift has NFL 3 down RB size; CEH does not.

CEH is listed at 209 pounds. Dalvin Cook is listed at basically the same weight. Barry Sanders weighed less. MJD was shorter and weighed less. This statement isn't really accurate IMO.

[Kmani6]

I think it is because he only came on this year, and only really strong and consistent in the latter half of the year, where as CMC was 2660 and 1900 yards from scrimmage as a sophomore and junior. CEH is going to be a weapon in the NFL, dude can play ball with the best of them

Well for one CEH is 5 8. There are simply very few RBs of that size that can be workhorse backs at the NFL level. So CEH is at best a tier 2 RB when comparing to some of the other backs based on size alone. Swift is 5 9, which is noticeably better for the RB position, especially when you consider he weighs 216, which is still NFL size. Not to mention Swifts lateral agility is through the roof. The other tier 1 guys (Dobbins/JT) have obvious NFL size.

Height/weight was the same argument people had for why CMC wouldn't be a workhorse back.....

Yup he was drafted 8th overall to not be a workhorse back, but to be a guy who maybe plays 50 percent of snaps right?

You missed the point. “There are simply very few RBs of that size that can be a workhorse backs at the NFL level.” CMC Is also 5 11, and bulked up significantly since entering the league...

[Kmani6]

Wait, 1 inch makes a prospect noticably better at a position that is arguably the least reliant on height?
Huh?

You didn’t read the end of the same exact sentence? “Especially when you consider he weighs 216.” Swift has NFL 3 down RB size; CEH does not.

CEH is listed at 209 pounds. Dalvin Cook is listed at basically the same weight. Barry Sanders weighed less. MJD was shorter and weighed less. This statement isn't really accurate IMO.

Start naming current 5 foot 8, 3 down backs.

[FantasyFreak]

You didn’t read the end of the same exact sentence? “Especially when you consider he weighs 216.” Swift has NFL 3 down RB size; CEH does not.

CEH is listed at 209 pounds. Dalvin Cook is listed at basically the same weight. Barry Sanders weighed less. MJD was shorter and weighed less. This statement isn't really accurate IMO.

Start naming current 5 foot 8, 3 down backs.

You're now switching gears. You specifically shifted from height to weight on the statement I commented on, and now I've mentioned examples of players with similar weights, and you're shifting back to height?

Anyway, the 2nd half of the year, Devin Singletary, who is shorter, and had a significant amount of touches. 19.5 touches per game from week 11 on.

[Kmani6]

CEH is listed at 209 pounds. Dalvin Cook is listed at basically the same weight. Barry Sanders weighed less. MJD was shorter and weighed less. This statement isn't really accurate IMO.

Start naming current 5 foot 8, 3 down backs.

You're now switching gears. You specifically shifted from height to weight on the statement I commented on, and now I've mentioned examples of players with similar weights, and you're shifting back to height?

Nope I quoted half of the sentence, but you probably didn’t read the whole thing. The sentence was two parts that included both height and weight. I said swifts height was only 5 9 but his weight was 216 so he’s noticeably bigger than CEH at 5 8 and 209. I also specifically mentioned in that same post that swift was an exceptional athlete with amazing lateral agility. Then I went on to say that JT and Dobbins are obviously great athletes. So when you stack up the college production plus the NFL size that’s what’s separating tier 1 vs 2.

[FantasyFreak]

Start naming current 5 foot 8, 3 down backs.

You're now switching gears. You specifically shifted from height to weight on the statement I commented on, and now I've mentioned examples of players with similar weights, and you're shifting back to height?

Nope I quoted half of the sentence, but you probably didn’t read the whole thing. The sentence was two parts that included both height and weight. I said swifts height was only 5 9 but his weight was 216 so he’s noticeably bigger than CEH at 5 8 and 209. I also specifically mentioned in that same post that swift was an exceptional athlete with amazing lateral agility. Then I went on to say that JT and Dobbins are obviously great athletes. So when you stack up the college production plus the NFL size that’s what’s separating tier 1 vs 2.

Right. Fair. I did mention that Singletary averaged almost 20 touches a game from week 11 on, and that he is shorter and weighs less than CEH. He also isn't a great athlete, so CEH possible outcome is certainly in that scope of things, although certainly not as likely as Swift or Dobbins.

[Kmani6]

You're now switching gears. You specifically shifted from height to weight on the statement I commented on, and now I've mentioned examples of players with similar weights, and you're shifting back to height?

Nope I quoted half of the sentence, but you probably didn’t read the whole thing. The sentence was two parts that included both height and weight. I said swifts height was only 5 9 but his weight was 216 so he’s noticeably bigger than CEH at 5 8 and 209. I also specifically mentioned in that same post that swift was an exceptional athlete with amazing lateral agility. Then I went on to say that JT and Dobbins are obviously great athletes. So when you stack up the college production plus the NFL size that’s what’s separating tier 1 vs 2.

Right. Fair. I did mention that Singletary averaged almost 20 touches a game from week 11 on, and that he is shorter and weighs less than CEH. He also isn't a great athlete, so CEH possible outcome is certainly in that scope of things, although certainly not as likely as Swift or Dobbins.

Yup that was exactly my point- I agree.

“There are simply very few RBs of that size that can be a workhorse backs at the NFL level.”

While Singletary definitely fits that category, and possibly even Lindsay, they both have great lateral agility + fast acceleration. I also question if either can be a true fantasy RB 1.

CEH is not as good of an athlete compared to the other tier 1 guys of this class, whether you want to compare their respective measurables, or whatever else. He does run with some insane toughness though.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

It’s rare but not unheard of.
MJD
Ray Rice
Devonta Freeman

[Kelldon]

Yeah it's not as likely that rb's under 5'9 are workhorse backs, but it is not impossible or unheard of. Same can be said with qb's under 6'1. Plus 1 inch and 7lbs difference is not that noticeable or significant. If they both were standing near each other 20ft away from you prolly couldn't hardly tell the difference. Who's to say when they were weighed Swift just got done eating a huge meal and CEH just got done taking a big dump and there's really only a 3-4lb difference .

[kmbryant09]

Kmani - you're all over the place, but let me address some things.

If I understand correctly, you have absolutely no concerns with Swift's size - listed at 5'9" / 216 lbs. But claim that CEH won't be a 3-down back in the NFL because of his size - 5'8" / 209 lbs? Wow...

MJD - 5'7" / 207 / 32.4 BMI
R. Rice - 5'8" / 212 / 32.2
D. Swift - 5'9" / 216 / 31.9
CEH - 5'8" / 209 / 31.8
D. Freeman - 5'9" / 209 / 30.9
L. McCoy - 5'10" / 207 / 29.7
A. Ekeler - 5'10" / 201 / 28.8

His most common player comparisons are MJD, Rice, and Ekeler - so fitting that his size & Body Mass Index fall right in line with those 3 players. I also compared him to McCaffrey (coming out of college) who measured 5'11" / 202 / 28.2 at the combine. I know he's bulked up, let's say he's all the way up to 215 - that puts his BMI at 30.0, still short of where CEH is listed right now...

There's no chance that CEH's size will prevent him from being a successful NFL Running Back...

[Orenthal Shames]

Finally digging into this class. Lamb, Raegor, Higgins are my top 3 WRs in a tier all their own.