thanksKmani6 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:02 amYou will most likely get two of: Laviska Shenault, Brandon Aiyuk, Bryan Edwards, Zach Moss, or AJ Dillon. Still some very high upside WR, and some decent RB options.wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:47 am Who would you target at 2.08/2.10 in this draft? The top RB and WR will be gone by then. It'll be next tier RB/WR and probably the top 2-3 QB may be gone, probably all TE left, in a weak class. Thoughts?
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
Maybe you are in a 10 team superflex, in which case you may be able to get some of those players at picks 18-20 (although from the mocks and rankings I've been seeing Aiyuk and Shenault are very likely gone). However if you are 12 team, and especially if you are 12 team non-superflex, you'd be lucky to still see one of either Moss or Dillon left on the board there. They are mid to mid/late 2nd rounders current ADP non-SF. The rest of those guys should be gone.wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:00 pmthanksKmani6 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:02 amYou will most likely get two of: Laviska Shenault, Brandon Aiyuk, Bryan Edwards, Zach Moss, or AJ Dillon. Still some very high upside WR, and some decent RB options.wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:47 am Who would you target at 2.08/2.10 in this draft? The top RB and WR will be gone by then. It'll be next tier RB/WR and probably the top 2-3 QB may be gone, probably all TE left, in a weak class. Thoughts?
Personal rankings tend to differ quite a bit the later drafts go, but if I were you, I'd be expecting to see players in the KJ Hamler/Chase Claypool/Tyler Johnson/Anthony McFarland/Eno Benjamin range. All to me players who are a tier below the ones mentioned by Kmani. Hopefully someone falls to you, but I'd also be preparing for worst case scenario heading into your draft so you aren't scrambling when you are on the clock.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
Yes, sorry, 12-man 1 qb league. I tend to agree. I hope one of those will fall, but it's probably more like what you said.dustyroads wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 6:41 amMaybe you are in a 10 team superflex, in which case you may be able to get some of those players at picks 18-20 (although from the mocks and rankings I've been seeing Aiyuk and Shenault are very likely gone). However if you are 12 team, and especially if you are 12 team non-superflex, you'd be lucky to still see one of either Moss or Dillon left on the board there. They are mid to mid/late 2nd rounders current ADP non-SF. The rest of those guys should be gone.
Personal rankings tend to differ quite a bit the later drafts go, but if I were you, I'd be expecting to see players in the KJ Hamler/Chase Claypool/Tyler Johnson/Anthony McFarland/Eno Benjamin range. All to me players who are a tier below the ones mentioned by Kmani. Hopefully someone falls to you, but I'd also be preparing for worst case scenario heading into your draft so you aren't scrambling when you are on the clock.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
I want nothing to do with him, or that offense personally.alewilliam789 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
Whoever drafted him was going to say that, as it's obviously how he should be used. We'll see if the Jags are actually willing and able to do it though.alewilliam789 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
JAX can't miss out on every QB prospect can they? What if Minshew is serviceable (Andy Dalton-esque), or they sign Cam Newton?FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:36 pmI want nothing to do with him, or that offense personally.alewilliam789 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
Dodging Shenault because of his current situation is a redraft outlook on a Dynasty prospect.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
I'm not. I don't like Shenault at all. Didn't like him pre draft, and like him even less with the landing spot.IZigUZag wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:40 pmJAX can't miss out on every QB prospect can they? What if Minshew is serviceable (Andy Dalton-esque), or they sign Cam Newton?FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:36 pmI want nothing to do with him, or that offense personally.alewilliam789 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
Dodging Shenault because of his current situation is a redraft outlook on a Dynasty prospect.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
Where about in your WR ranks do you have him? I'm not high on him but he's probably like WR10 or so for me so he's still a mid to late 2nd for meFantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:52 pmI'm not. I don't like Shenault at all. Didn't like him pre draft, and like him even less with the landing spot.IZigUZag wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:40 pmJAX can't miss out on every QB prospect can they? What if Minshew is serviceable (Andy Dalton-esque), or they sign Cam Newton?FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:36 pm
I want nothing to do with him, or that offense personally.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
Im always cautious of a coach wanting to use a player in an innovative way. It rarely materializes into anything useful. Someone like Jaylen Samuels has a lot of talents. Tomlin saw what he could do, and then after about a game of positive results, he decided to just go back to the non successful offense the have been running.alewilliam789 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
This is their best game plan for now and it's how he was used in college. Whoever drafted Shenault needed to embrace the playmaker aspect, and putting him in different spots on the field to get the ball fits.alewilliam789 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
The big question is not how he will be used, but how often. Gadget type plays work because they are unexpected. They are unexpected because they don't happen often. Can you trust that he'll see enough touches to put him into your starting lineup?alewilliam789 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
Honestly, he's not on board.Jigga94 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 6:23 pmWhere about in your WR ranks do you have him? I'm not high on him but he's probably like WR10 or so for me so he's still a mid to late 2nd for meFantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:52 pmI'm not. I don't like Shenault at all. Didn't like him pre draft, and like him even less with the landing spot.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
I agree as well. I play so much 10 man I usually forget most are playing 12. For perspective in a 10 man today we’re OTC at pick 16 and Aiyuk just went. Mims, Shenault, Bryan Edwards, Pittman, and Burrow are all there so that’d be about 20 prospects. Dillon and Moss both went already bc of 0.2 PPC. I think that big fall off happens after the first 20 or so prospects.wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:37 amYes, sorry, 12-man 1 qb league. I tend to agree. I hope one of those will fall, but it's probably more like what you said.dustyroads wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 6:41 amMaybe you are in a 10 team superflex, in which case you may be able to get some of those players at picks 18-20 (although from the mocks and rankings I've been seeing Aiyuk and Shenault are very likely gone). However if you are 12 team, and especially if you are 12 team non-superflex, you'd be lucky to still see one of either Moss or Dillon left on the board there. They are mid to mid/late 2nd rounders current ADP non-SF. The rest of those guys should be gone.
Personal rankings tend to differ quite a bit the later drafts go, but if I were you, I'd be expecting to see players in the KJ Hamler/Chase Claypool/Tyler Johnson/Anthony McFarland/Eno Benjamin range. All to me players who are a tier below the ones mentioned by Kmani. Hopefully someone falls to you, but I'd also be preparing for worst case scenario heading into your draft so you aren't scrambling when you are on the clock.
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RB: Saquon Barkley , Breece Hall, Swift, Dobbins, Gibson, CEH
WR: Devante Adams, Tyreek Hill, Jamarr Chase, DK Metcalf, Devonta Smith, Jerry Jeudy
TE: Travis Kelce
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
Jay Gruden is not capable of pulling this off. He has a system and will always attempt to put square pegs into his round holes (that's what she said). Seriously though, he hasn't operated this way before and its asking too much of him to do it successfully.alewilliam789 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
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