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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby wickerkat1212 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:00 pm

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Who would you target at 2.08/2.10 in this draft? The top RB and WR will be gone by then. It'll be next tier RB/WR and probably the top 2-3 QB may be gone, probably all TE left, in a weak class. Thoughts?
You will most likely get two of: Laviska Shenault, Brandon Aiyuk, Bryan Edwards, Zach Moss, or AJ Dillon. Still some very high upside WR, and some decent RB options.
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D3:
QB—Allen, Big Ben, Fitz, Tyrod
RB—EE, Henry, Cohen, Mostert, Evans (R), Coleman, JSamuels, Pollard
WR—MThomas, Diggs, Chark, Harry, Lamb (R), Hardman, Butler, Lazard
TE—Doyle, Jonnu, Thomas
PK—Zuerlein
DEF—Ravens

D4:
QB—Watson, Stafford, Fitz
RB—Conner, David & Duke Johnson, Cohen, Howard, Breida, Burkhead, JSamuels, Edmonds
WR—Hill, Allen, Golladay, Jeudy (R), Jeffery, Jefferson (R), Amendola, Miller, Butler, Watson
TE—Olsen, Thomas, Kmet, Trautman
PK—Gostkowski, Prater
DEF—Bears, Jags

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby dustyroads » Fri May 01, 2020 6:41 am

wickerkat1212 wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:00 pm
Kmani6 wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:02 am
wickerkat1212 wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:47 am
Who would you target at 2.08/2.10 in this draft? The top RB and WR will be gone by then. It'll be next tier RB/WR and probably the top 2-3 QB may be gone, probably all TE left, in a weak class. Thoughts?
You will most likely get two of: Laviska Shenault, Brandon Aiyuk, Bryan Edwards, Zach Moss, or AJ Dillon. Still some very high upside WR, and some decent RB options.
thanks
Maybe you are in a 10 team superflex, in which case you may be able to get some of those players at picks 18-20 (although from the mocks and rankings I've been seeing Aiyuk and Shenault are very likely gone). However if you are 12 team, and especially if you are 12 team non-superflex, you'd be lucky to still see one of either Moss or Dillon left on the board there. They are mid to mid/late 2nd rounders current ADP non-SF. The rest of those guys should be gone.

Personal rankings tend to differ quite a bit the later drafts go, but if I were you, I'd be expecting to see players in the KJ Hamler/Chase Claypool/Tyler Johnson/Anthony McFarland/Eno Benjamin range. All to me players who are a tier below the ones mentioned by Kmani. Hopefully someone falls to you, but I'd also be preparing for worst case scenario heading into your draft so you aren't scrambling when you are on the clock.

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby wickerkat1212 » Fri May 01, 2020 10:37 am

dustyroads wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 6:41 am
wickerkat1212 wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:00 pm
Kmani6 wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:02 am


You will most likely get two of: Laviska Shenault, Brandon Aiyuk, Bryan Edwards, Zach Moss, or AJ Dillon. Still some very high upside WR, and some decent RB options.
thanks
Maybe you are in a 10 team superflex, in which case you may be able to get some of those players at picks 18-20 (although from the mocks and rankings I've been seeing Aiyuk and Shenault are very likely gone). However if you are 12 team, and especially if you are 12 team non-superflex, you'd be lucky to still see one of either Moss or Dillon left on the board there. They are mid to mid/late 2nd rounders current ADP non-SF. The rest of those guys should be gone.

Personal rankings tend to differ quite a bit the later drafts go, but if I were you, I'd be expecting to see players in the KJ Hamler/Chase Claypool/Tyler Johnson/Anthony McFarland/Eno Benjamin range. All to me players who are a tier below the ones mentioned by Kmani. Hopefully someone falls to you, but I'd also be preparing for worst case scenario heading into your draft so you aren't scrambling when you are on the clock.
Yes, sorry, 12-man 1 qb league. I tend to agree. I hope one of those will fall, but it's probably more like what you said.
D3:
QB—Allen, Big Ben, Fitz, Tyrod
RB—EE, Henry, Cohen, Mostert, Evans (R), Coleman, JSamuels, Pollard
WR—MThomas, Diggs, Chark, Harry, Lamb (R), Hardman, Butler, Lazard
TE—Doyle, Jonnu, Thomas
PK—Zuerlein
DEF—Ravens

D4:
QB—Watson, Stafford, Fitz
RB—Conner, David & Duke Johnson, Cohen, Howard, Breida, Burkhead, JSamuels, Edmonds
WR—Hill, Allen, Golladay, Jeudy (R), Jeffery, Jefferson (R), Amendola, Miller, Butler, Watson
TE—Olsen, Thomas, Kmet, Trautman
PK—Gostkowski, Prater
DEF—Bears, Jags

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby alewilliam789 » Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm

Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
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Record: 7-6
QB - Watson, Prescott, Carr
WR - Courtland Sutton, DJ Moore, AJ Brown, Josh Reynolds, Justin Watson, Andy Isabella, JJ Arcega-Whiteside
RB - Alvin Kamara, Josh Jacobs
TE - T.J. Hockenson, I Thomas, J. Oliver

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1.05, 3.06


12 Owner 1 PPR (3rd Season) 1QB, 2WR, 1RB, 1TE, 1 FLEX, 1K, 1 DEF -- 20 man roster
Record: 6-7
QB: Rivers, Wentz, Lock
RB: David Johnson, Mixon, Hyde
WR: Michael Thomas, Amari Cooper, Brandin Cooks, AJ Green, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Josh Reynolds, Andy Isabella
TE: Kittle, OJ Howard, Chris Herndon

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2020-
1st and 3rd

12 Owner 1 PPR (1st Season) 1QB 1-3 RB 1-3 WR 1-2 TE
1 K 1D/ST — 20 man rosters
Record: 7-6
QB: Mahomes, Stafford
RB: Chubb, Guice, Penny, Duke Johnson, Darrell Henderson
WR: Landry, Sutton, Marvin Jones, Harry, Crowder, Josh Reynolds
TE: Hooper, Goedert

2020:
2 1st, 1 2nd, 1 3rd Round Picks

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri May 01, 2020 3:36 pm

alewilliam789 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm
Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
I want nothing to do with him, or that offense personally.
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Evans, Sutton, Woods, Crowder, Agholor, Sanu, , D Robinson, T Taylor
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby bjd5211 » Fri May 01, 2020 3:38 pm

alewilliam789 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm
Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
Whoever drafted him was going to say that, as it's obviously how he should be used. We'll see if the Jags are actually willing and able to do it though.

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby IZigUZag » Fri May 01, 2020 3:40 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:36 pm
alewilliam789 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm
Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
I want nothing to do with him, or that offense personally.
JAX can't miss out on every QB prospect can they? What if Minshew is serviceable (Andy Dalton-esque), or they sign Cam Newton?

Dodging Shenault because of his current situation is a redraft outlook on a Dynasty prospect.

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri May 01, 2020 3:52 pm

IZigUZag wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:40 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:36 pm
alewilliam789 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm
Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
I want nothing to do with him, or that offense personally.
JAX can't miss out on every QB prospect can they? What if Minshew is serviceable (Andy Dalton-esque), or they sign Cam Newton?

Dodging Shenault because of his current situation is a redraft outlook on a Dynasty prospect.
I'm not. I don't like Shenault at all. Didn't like him pre draft, and like him even less with the landing spot.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby Jigga94 » Fri May 01, 2020 6:23 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:52 pm
IZigUZag wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:40 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:36 pm


I want nothing to do with him, or that offense personally.
JAX can't miss out on every QB prospect can they? What if Minshew is serviceable (Andy Dalton-esque), or they sign Cam Newton?

Dodging Shenault because of his current situation is a redraft outlook on a Dynasty prospect.
I'm not. I don't like Shenault at all. Didn't like him pre draft, and like him even less with the landing spot.
Where about in your WR ranks do you have him? I'm not high on him but he's probably like WR10 or so for me so he's still a mid to late 2nd for me
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - 14 Keepers
QB: Mahomes, Baker, D. Jones, Minshew, Luck
RB: Mostert, Sony, Penny, D. Freeman, Snell, J. Jackson, Hyde, Gaskin
WR: Tyreek, DJM, Julio, Hollywood, Cooks, Preston, Parris, C. Davis, MVS
TE: Andrews, Henry, Fant, Irv
2020: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02, 4.08

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QB: Dak, Ryan, Minshew, Hurts
RB: CMC, Jacobs, Dobbins, Hunt, Cohen, Penny, Hines, Bowden
WR: DJM, Chark, Ruggs, Reagor, Hardman, Mike Will, Diontae, Parris, C. Davis, Lazard
TE: Andrews, Henry, Gesicki
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby TheNuts » Sat May 02, 2020 6:45 am

alewilliam789 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm
Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
Im always cautious of a coach wanting to use a player in an innovative way. It rarely materializes into anything useful. Someone like Jaylen Samuels has a lot of talents. Tomlin saw what he could do, and then after about a game of positive results, he decided to just go back to the non successful offense the have been running.

Coaches like Marrone have no vision.
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Singletary, Lindsay, Samuels, Ty Johnson
Chark, Arob, Woods, Diontae, Nkeal, Lazard, Conley, Cole, Dorsett
Higbee, Jarwin, Dissly
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Mayfield, Minshew, Trubisky, Foles, Hill
Djohns, Singletary, Fournette, Harris, Armstead, Ogunbawale, Samuels
Julio, Arob, Woods, Sims Jr, Claypool, Duvernay, Isabella, Conley, Tyrell
Waller, Hurst, Jarwin, Boyle

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Chubb, Taylor, Henry, Singletary, David Johnson, Damien Harris, Hyde, Boone, Blasingame
Tyreek, Boyd, Diontae, Marvin Jones, Pittman, Nkeal, Duvernay, Sims Jr, Stills
Waller, Higbee, Arnold, Olsen, Parkinson, Sample

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Fournette, Singletary, Harris, Cohen, Duke Johnson, Trey Edmunds
Davante Adams, Tyreek, Sutton, Boyd, Dorsett, Tyrell
Kittle, Jarwin, Oliver

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby Cameron Giles » Sat May 02, 2020 6:56 am

alewilliam789 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm
Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
This is their best game plan for now and it's how he was used in college. Whoever drafted Shenault needed to embrace the playmaker aspect, and putting him in different spots on the field to get the ball fits.

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby Hottoddies » Sat May 02, 2020 5:34 pm

alewilliam789 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm
Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
The big question is not how he will be used, but how often. Gadget type plays work because they are unexpected. They are unexpected because they don't happen often. Can you trust that he'll see enough touches to put him into your starting lineup?
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat May 02, 2020 6:33 pm

Jigga94 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 6:23 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:52 pm
IZigUZag wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:40 pm


JAX can't miss out on every QB prospect can they? What if Minshew is serviceable (Andy Dalton-esque), or they sign Cam Newton?

Dodging Shenault because of his current situation is a redraft outlook on a Dynasty prospect.
I'm not. I don't like Shenault at all. Didn't like him pre draft, and like him even less with the landing spot.
Where about in your WR ranks do you have him? I'm not high on him but he's probably like WR10 or so for me so he's still a mid to late 2nd for me
Honestly, he's not on board.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby Kmani6 » Sat May 02, 2020 7:23 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 10:37 am
dustyroads wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 6:41 am
wickerkat1212 wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:00 pm


thanks
Maybe you are in a 10 team superflex, in which case you may be able to get some of those players at picks 18-20 (although from the mocks and rankings I've been seeing Aiyuk and Shenault are very likely gone). However if you are 12 team, and especially if you are 12 team non-superflex, you'd be lucky to still see one of either Moss or Dillon left on the board there. They are mid to mid/late 2nd rounders current ADP non-SF. The rest of those guys should be gone.

Personal rankings tend to differ quite a bit the later drafts go, but if I were you, I'd be expecting to see players in the KJ Hamler/Chase Claypool/Tyler Johnson/Anthony McFarland/Eno Benjamin range. All to me players who are a tier below the ones mentioned by Kmani. Hopefully someone falls to you, but I'd also be preparing for worst case scenario heading into your draft so you aren't scrambling when you are on the clock.
Yes, sorry, 12-man 1 qb league. I tend to agree. I hope one of those will fall, but it's probably more like what you said.
I agree as well. I play so much 10 man I usually forget most are playing 12. For perspective in a 10 man today we’re OTC at pick 16 and Aiyuk just went. Mims, Shenault, Bryan Edwards, Pittman, and Burrow are all there so that’d be about 20 prospects. Dillon and Moss both went already bc of 0.2 PPC. I think that big fall off happens after the first 20 or so prospects.
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RB: Joe Mixon, Nick Chubb, Dalvin Cook
WR: Devante Adams, Mike Evans, OBJ , Keenan Allen, Terry Mclaurin, Auden Tate, C. Samuel, D. Pettis, Zach Pascal, D. Johnson, A. Miller
TE: Travis Kelce,George Kittle, Jonnu Smith

2020 Picks: 1.03, 1.05
2021 Picks: 1st, 3rd

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QB: Rodgers, Big Ben, Winston, Trubisky,
RB: Cook, Mixon,Ingram, Murray, Coleman, Hyde, Miller, Duke Johnson
WR: Golladay,A.J. Green, Landry, Shepard, Sanders, Tate, Westbrook, Fitzgerald
TE: Engram, Rudolph, Doyle

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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

Postby skinfanjon » Sat May 02, 2020 7:28 pm

alewilliam789 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:32 pm
Just read an article talking about how Doug Marrone wants to use Leviska Shenault and I’m seriously intrigued. They want to use him at RB, wildcat QB, TE, and WR. This is what I advised he work out as at the combine (or at least WR, TE, RB) and I think this is one scenario in which he could be a top fantasy asset for a stretch if he’s utilized like this. Certainly an argument to be made he should be a 1st round pick with this game plan in mind
Jay Gruden is not capable of pulling this off. He has a system and will always attempt to put square pegs into his round holes (that's what she said). Seriously though, he hasn't operated this way before and its asking too much of him to do it successfully.


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