More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
Interesting to hear Mosher talk about the RB class and reveal that he thinks CEH will be at least as high as the fourth RB off the board, getting comps from NFL people to Brian Westbrook. As someone who has an over-abundance of 1.05's and 1.06's and wanted to get RB help before Etienne and Hubbard went back to school. Hearing that Akers may be getting "committee back" tag from people is also alarming, and bizarre to me. I do not understand that. Will be super fascinating to see how the ranking evolves based upon the combine, and then the draft itself, a huge one-two punch that does tend to resort positional rankings a bit if unusual things happen and/or there is no consensus on who should go where (reminds me a little of '17, where there was a generally, Davis and Fournette jousting for 1.01, but also a huge amount of supporters split amongst how McCaffrey, Mixon, and Cook should be ranked in that grouping (while Hunt, Juju and Kamara sat behind that big five, as the potential biggest values of all considering where they were going).
Kinda feels like the top 7 or 8 this year is very similar, there will be a massive resort in a few years when we realize which WR's really were best in show, and which RB's were best in class. I don't think we really have a clue. We have preferences, but come 2022, I suspect there will be lots and lots of surprises over how it would be reranked.
Kinda feels like the top 7 or 8 this year is very similar, there will be a massive resort in a few years when we realize which WR's really were best in show, and which RB's were best in class. I don't think we really have a clue. We have preferences, but come 2022, I suspect there will be lots and lots of surprises over how it would be reranked.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
I really think the top5 RB's are all talented enough to excel in a lead-role in the NFL, potentially as early as their Rookie seasons. They each offer unique playing styles with unique strengths and a few minor weaknesses. But I would feel confident in drafting any of those top5 guys that land in above-average situations with an early 1st.
Running Backs - Taylor / Dobbins / Swift / CEH / Akers
Landing Spots - Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Houston, Kansas City, Miami, San Francisco are all phenomenal landing spots.
2nd Tier Landing Spots (that require some patience or face some level of competition) - Seattle, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New York Jets, Buffalo
I'm just hoping those 5 backs end up in any combination of the above landing spots. Things would get really messy in the mid-1st if those guys get drafted to places like Cincinnati, Jacksonville, Green Bay, etc. and the RB desperate teams end up with tier 3 guys like Moss, Eno, etc.
Running Backs - Taylor / Dobbins / Swift / CEH / Akers
Landing Spots - Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Houston, Kansas City, Miami, San Francisco are all phenomenal landing spots.
2nd Tier Landing Spots (that require some patience or face some level of competition) - Seattle, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New York Jets, Buffalo
I'm just hoping those 5 backs end up in any combination of the above landing spots. Things would get really messy in the mid-1st if those guys get drafted to places like Cincinnati, Jacksonville, Green Bay, etc. and the RB desperate teams end up with tier 3 guys like Moss, Eno, etc.
10-team/.5 PPR/5 Pts per Passing TD. Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLEX (rb/wr/te)
QB: J. Hurts, K. Murray
RB: Bi. Robinson, D. Henry, D. Achane, , J. Cook, Z. Charbonnet, T. Chandler, R. Johnson, K. Mitchell, J.K. Dobbins, T. Allgeier, J. McLaughlin, S. Tucker, T. Bigsby
WR: G. Wilson, B. Aiyuk, J. Waddle, T. Higgins,, Z. Flowers, Di. Johnson, K. Toney, A. Iosivas
TE: K. Pitts, E. Engram, C. Okonkwo, G. Dulcich
QB: J. Hurts, K. Murray
RB: Bi. Robinson, D. Henry, D. Achane, , J. Cook, Z. Charbonnet, T. Chandler, R. Johnson, K. Mitchell, J.K. Dobbins, T. Allgeier, J. McLaughlin, S. Tucker, T. Bigsby
WR: G. Wilson, B. Aiyuk, J. Waddle, T. Higgins,, Z. Flowers, Di. Johnson, K. Toney, A. Iosivas
TE: K. Pitts, E. Engram, C. Okonkwo, G. Dulcich
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
For what it's worth this mock has Swift going to the Titans with them not keeping Henry, and Dobbins to the Chiefs.
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10 Team .5 PPR 1 QB League
QB: Goff, Brady, Herbert, Tannehill
RB: CEH, JT, Akers, Dobbins, Mixon
WR: Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Lamb, Chark, Claypool, Pittman, Diontae, Anderson
TE: Andrews, Goedert
Picks:
2021: 4 1sts, 1 2nd
2022: 1 1st, 2 2nds
QB: Goff, Brady, Herbert, Tannehill
RB: CEH, JT, Akers, Dobbins, Mixon
WR: Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Lamb, Chark, Claypool, Pittman, Diontae, Anderson
TE: Andrews, Goedert
Picks:
2021: 4 1sts, 1 2nd
2022: 1 1st, 2 2nds
Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
Personally I would prefer Taylor to Tennessee in a scenario where they let Henry walk. Taylor can step right in to a similar role and carry that load like he's been doing in Wisconsin.Packerland wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:44 am For what it's worth this mock has Swift going to the Titans with them not keeping Henry, and Dobbins to the Chiefs.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
bjd5211 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:09 amPersonally I would prefer Taylor to Tennessee in a scenario where they let Henry walk. Taylor can step right in to a similar role and carry that load like he's been doing in Wisconsin.Packerland wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:44 am For what it's worth this mock has Swift going to the Titans with them not keeping Henry, and Dobbins to the Chiefs.
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Yea, I would be ok with any of the top RB's going to the Titans or Chiefs (Dobbins, Swift, Taylor). Taylor is my top overall RB FWIW.bjd5211 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:09 amPersonally I would prefer Taylor to Tennessee in a scenario where they let Henry walk. Taylor can step right in to a similar role and carry that load like he's been doing in Wisconsin.Packerland wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:44 am For what it's worth this mock has Swift going to the Titans with them not keeping Henry, and Dobbins to the Chiefs.
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10 Team .5 PPR 1 QB League
QB: Goff, Brady, Herbert, Tannehill
RB: CEH, JT, Akers, Dobbins, Mixon
WR: Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Lamb, Chark, Claypool, Pittman, Diontae, Anderson
TE: Andrews, Goedert
Picks:
2021: 4 1sts, 1 2nd
2022: 1 1st, 2 2nds
QB: Goff, Brady, Herbert, Tannehill
RB: CEH, JT, Akers, Dobbins, Mixon
WR: Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Lamb, Chark, Claypool, Pittman, Diontae, Anderson
TE: Andrews, Goedert
Picks:
2021: 4 1sts, 1 2nd
2022: 1 1st, 2 2nds
Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
I'm not surprised, they did the same thing with Drake. Similar prospects, although I like Akers build and contact balance a bit more. Now we've seen what Drake can do with a lead role. Kinda sad years of his prime were wasted as a "committee back", in Miami no less. Oh well, hopefully it will provide a nice buy low window or something. Lolstoneghost28 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:16 am Hearing that Akers may be getting "committee back" tag from people is also alarming, and bizarre to me. I do not understand that.
12 Team SF IDP
QB - Mahomes, Lawrence, Mac
RB - Etienne, Walker, Rhamondre, Javonte, Akers, CEH
WR - AJB, Waddle, Higgins, Gabe, Toney
TE - Andrews, ISJ
DL - Quinnen, Highsmith, Josh Allen
LB - Lloyd, JOK, Gay, Bush
DB - Winfield, Love, Delpit
14 Team 1QB IDP
QB - Fields, Jimmy G
RB - Henry, Kamara, Swift, Herbert
WR - Adams, Juju, Jakobi, Theilen
TE - Hock, Everett
DL - Garrett, Buckner, Sweat
LB - White, David, Okereke, Jack
DB - Budda, CJGJ, Dugger, Byard
QB - Mahomes, Lawrence, Mac
RB - Etienne, Walker, Rhamondre, Javonte, Akers, CEH
WR - AJB, Waddle, Higgins, Gabe, Toney
TE - Andrews, ISJ
DL - Quinnen, Highsmith, Josh Allen
LB - Lloyd, JOK, Gay, Bush
DB - Winfield, Love, Delpit
14 Team 1QB IDP
QB - Fields, Jimmy G
RB - Henry, Kamara, Swift, Herbert
WR - Adams, Juju, Jakobi, Theilen
TE - Hock, Everett
DL - Garrett, Buckner, Sweat
LB - White, David, Okereke, Jack
DB - Budda, CJGJ, Dugger, Byard
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
JT is a former track star and I've seen rumors of his 40 being in the 4.3's. He should safely run in the 4.4's at least.alewilliam789 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:04 pm Well between Dobbins and Swift, Dobbins looks like he’s going to destroy the combine and Swift at the least should run between 4.45-sub 4.5 depending on how much he weighs in. Checks for me. Can’t find anything on Taylor tho so interested. For me if he runs a 4.5 and provides 50th percentile in everything else I’m still taking 1.01. Super interested to see how CEH tests because his draft stock is hinging on a solid combine
Akers another top SPARQ performer. I hope Juedy and Lamb perform well and are drafted high so he falls to me at 6!
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
He should test very well:lanemitchell96 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:17 amJT is a former track star and I've seen rumors of his 40 being in the 4.3's. He should safely run in the 4.4's at least.alewilliam789 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:04 pm Well between Dobbins and Swift, Dobbins looks like he’s going to destroy the combine and Swift at the least should run between 4.45-sub 4.5 depending on how much he weighs in. Checks for me. Can’t find anything on Taylor tho so interested. For me if he runs a 4.5 and provides 50th percentile in everything else I’m still taking 1.01. Super interested to see how CEH tests because his draft stock is hinging on a solid combine
Akers another top SPARQ performer. I hope Juedy and Lamb perform well and are drafted high so he falls to me at 6!
"He can run a 4.3 40 all day long."
At 219 pounds, Taylor squats 605 pounds. He can broad-jump 10'9", which would have put him one inch behind the top running back performances at the NFL combine this past spring. His vertical leap of 38 inches would've landed him fourth at the position. And he can do a power clean of 350 pounds.
"We have a couple of offensive and defensive linemen that are around 355, 365, but Taylor is in the top five on the team," Kolodziej adds. "It's freakish."
10 Team .5 PPR 1 QB League
QB: Goff, Brady, Herbert, Tannehill
RB: CEH, JT, Akers, Dobbins, Mixon
WR: Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Lamb, Chark, Claypool, Pittman, Diontae, Anderson
TE: Andrews, Goedert
Picks:
2021: 4 1sts, 1 2nd
2022: 1 1st, 2 2nds
QB: Goff, Brady, Herbert, Tannehill
RB: CEH, JT, Akers, Dobbins, Mixon
WR: Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Lamb, Chark, Claypool, Pittman, Diontae, Anderson
TE: Andrews, Goedert
Picks:
2021: 4 1sts, 1 2nd
2022: 1 1st, 2 2nds
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
I still don’t get the Akers love. He runs stiff and doesn’t sink his hips at all. IMO he doesn’t look like he really has a feel for the position, people calling him a top 3 sleeper is as strange as Moss for me.
CEH is an infinitely better running back. Only question mark I have is his pass protection which I haven’t seen much of, but he’s the whole package. I think he’ll be drafted well before Akers.
CEH is an infinitely better running back. Only question mark I have is his pass protection which I haven’t seen much of, but he’s the whole package. I think he’ll be drafted well before Akers.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
What does this mean? Intangibles? Matt Waldman's RSP made a comment that Akers feet aren't quite up to speed with his eyes yet, which could limit him in zone scheme running. Is this an example, perhaps of vision and processing?
Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
Yeah, vision and the other nuances of skill required to play the position he isn't quite there. But he is a physical specimen, at least to my eyes.Lord_Varys wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:51 pmWhat does this mean? Intangibles? Matt Waldman's RSP made a comment that Akers feet aren't quite up to speed with his eyes yet, which could limit him in zone scheme running. Is this an example, perhaps of vision and processing?
12 Team 1 ppr .1 points per carry
Garbage
QB Jalen Hurts
RB A-train, D'Onta Foreman,Jahmyr Gibbs, JK Dobbins, Rashaad Penny, AJ Dillon, Jerrick McKinnon, Joshua Kelley, TDP, Chase Edmonds, JRob, Zamir White
WR CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, DJ Moore, Hollywood Brown, Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham Junior, Marvin Jones, Braxton Berrios, Richie James
TE Dalton Kincaid, Foster Moreau
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Garbage
QB Jalen Hurts
RB A-train, D'Onta Foreman,Jahmyr Gibbs, JK Dobbins, Rashaad Penny, AJ Dillon, Jerrick McKinnon, Joshua Kelley, TDP, Chase Edmonds, JRob, Zamir White
WR CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, DJ Moore, Hollywood Brown, Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham Junior, Marvin Jones, Braxton Berrios, Richie James
TE Dalton Kincaid, Foster Moreau
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1.02, 1.06
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
Akers can cut and explode very well. He might be a little late to process the right read at times I think, but he moves very well. And he's a great receiver.cantguardjake wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:13 pm I still don’t get the Akers love. He runs stiff and doesn’t sink his hips at all. IMO he doesn’t look like he really has a feel for the position, people calling him a top 3 sleeper is as strange as Moss for me.
CEH is an infinitely better running back. Only question mark I have is his pass protection which I haven’t seen much of, but he’s the whole package. I think he’ll be drafted well before Akers.
CEH "infinitely better"? He's half the athlete.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
I don't quite get this take, CEH looks like he has a better feel for the game, Akers can be the greatest athlete ever but if his vision is suspect than he'll do bugger all in the league.Lord_Varys wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:56 pmAkers can cut and explode very well. He might be a little late to process the right read at times I think, but he moves very well. And he's a great receiver.cantguardjake wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:13 pm I still don’t get the Akers love. He runs stiff and doesn’t sink his hips at all. IMO he doesn’t look like he really has a feel for the position, people calling him a top 3 sleeper is as strange as Moss for me.
CEH is an infinitely better running back. Only question mark I have is his pass protection which I haven’t seen much of, but he’s the whole package. I think he’ll be drafted well before Akers.
CEH "infinitely better"? He's half the athlete.
Also it's going to be great when Dobbins and Taylor out perform the "Athletic Freak" Akers at the combine.
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Re: More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."
Ooh if that’s the case that makes Taylor 1.01 a very nice and easy choice for me. Boys I’m starting to fall off the Swift bandwagon. Good player, but I think he’s smaller than I thought he was and takes a lot of big hits. Great receiver, above average vision, but nothing close to Taylor. My top backs are like this:
Tier 1:
Jonathan Taylor
J.K. Dobbins
Tier 2:
D’Andre Swift
Tier 3:
Akers
CEH
Tier 4:
Eno Benjamin
A bunch of nobodies
Tier 1:
Jonathan Taylor
J.K. Dobbins
Tier 2:
D’Andre Swift
Tier 3:
Akers
CEH
Tier 4:
Eno Benjamin
A bunch of nobodies
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To be fair, his offensive line was pitiful. It's hard to judge vision when there was absolutely nothing to see. But his offensive line did provide ample opportunity to judge his pass protection which he totally failed.nathanq42 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:53 pmYeah, vision and the other nuances of skill required to play the position he isn't quite there. But he is a physical specimen, at least to my eyes.Lord_Varys wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:51 pmWhat does this mean? Intangibles? Matt Waldman's RSP made a comment that Akers feet aren't quite up to speed with his eyes yet, which could limit him in zone scheme running. Is this an example, perhaps of vision and processing?
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