More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

[alewilliam789]

Beyond my obsession with advanced stats and my opinion to stay away, his tape truly underwhelms me.

Is he a great route runner as a collegiate WR? Absolutely, positively yes. Is he great in YAC situations? Yes.
Where I think he lacks right now is in strength. I don’t see him successful in many contested catch situations on tape which may be a a result of impeccable route running, or a clear sign that Alabama knows he is lacking in this aspect of the game. My philosophy/opinion in scouting WRs is that most of the Elite WRs in the NFL succeed at above average rates in contested catch situations.

I think he’ll test solid speed and quickness, but I think he will truly underwhelm in the vertical/broad which is probably another reason why he wasn’t used a lot on fade routes on the outside as well as a contested-catch threat in the red-zone. Basically, I’m not sold that he’s an elite athlete just yet.

Most of all I don’t see elite hands which I guess you can tie into contested-catch ability as well. He’s a great route runner, but I think he lacks in some important other traits that make WRs great. This combined with his poor advanced stats makes it very hard for me to keep him in that top tier. Not only am I not touching him in the top 6 in rookie drafts, but I’m probably going to move him into my second tier.

To me Devonta Smith looked so much better and is a damn good WR prospect with better production, tape, and I personally believe is a better athlete.

That’s a pretty fair take on Jeudy actually. It actually sounds eerily similar to Ridleys coming out (lack of contested catch ability, not playing strong, poor vert but great route runner) which has proven to translate well to the NFL, however as you’ve pointed out previously Ridley passed the minimum thresholds for analytics in dominator rating etc.

Will be keen to see how Jeudy plays out, I’m backing him in.

I'm not even that big on Jeudy, however Ridley basically started college at the same age Jeudy FINISHED college, so I don't think those comparisons on analytics are exactly a great way to compare it.

Yet he still produced over his entire career and alongside Amari Cooper who is one of the best collegiate WR prospects we’ve seen and was a target hog. Ridley “broke out” late, but it’s because he was just plain older when he started college. Not sure if you can blame Ridley for that.

I do agree tho that he’s not a great comparison to Ridley, but for different reasons.

[djeternal2]

That’s a pretty fair take on Jeudy actually. It actually sounds eerily similar to Ridleys coming out (lack of contested catch ability, not playing strong, poor vert but great route runner) which has proven to translate well to the NFL, however as you’ve pointed out previously Ridley passed the minimum thresholds for analytics in dominator rating etc.

Will be keen to see how Jeudy plays out, I’m backing him in.

I'm not even that big on Jeudy, however Ridley basically started college at the same age Jeudy FINISHED college, so I don't think those comparisons on analytics are exactly a great way to compare it.

Yet he still produced over his entire career and alongside Amari Cooper who is one of the best collegiate WR prospects we’ve seen and was a target hog. Ridley “broke out” late, but it’s because he was just plain older when he started college. Not sure if you can blame Ridley for that.

I do agree tho that he’s not a great comparison to Ridley, but for different reasons.

Huh? Cooper played for Bama from 2012-2014 and in the NFL draft in 2015. Ridley played for Bama 2015-2017 and in the 2018 NFL draft.

[Friction]

Re: Lamb's partying, this is the first I have heard of it, not that it means much if I have, but I follow OU, recruiting, etc., so is it that bad? Who knows. I am more interested in knowing that if the party gets out of hand, am I going to find out that any of his teammates showed up?

[bjd5211]

College kid likes to party, what else is new? Complete non-story and non-factor in his value.

[alewilliam789]

I'm not even that big on Jeudy, however Ridley basically started college at the same age Jeudy FINISHED college, so I don't think those comparisons on analytics are exactly a great way to compare it.

Yet he still produced over his entire career and alongside Amari Cooper who is one of the best collegiate WR prospects we’ve seen and was a target hog. Ridley “broke out” late, but it’s because he was just plain older when he started college. Not sure if you can blame Ridley for that.

I do agree tho that he’s not a great comparison to Ridley, but for different reasons.

Huh? Cooper played for Bama from 2012-2014 and in the NFL draft in 2015. Ridley played for Bama 2015-2017 and in the 2018 NFL draft.

Wow my bad! I could have sworn they played together. Throw away what I said about Cooper, but he still produced in college and over the course of his entire career.

[FantasyFreak]

College kid likes to party, what else is new? Complete non-story and non-factor in his value.

Seems like he could be a bit of a Ceedee individual. Better to find this out Sooner, rather than later.

[bjd5211]

Wow my bad! I could have sworn they played together. Throw away what I said about Cooper, but he still produced in college and over the course of his entire career.

So did Jeudy, and at a higher level than Ridley with the exception of their Freshman years. Ridley had his best year as a Freshman, and Jeudy's Freshman year was Ridley's last year on the team.

Ridley: 224/2,781/19
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pl ... ley-1.html

Jeudy: 159/2,742/26
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pl ... udy-1.html

For their careers.

Jeudy was significantly better than Ridley as a Sophomore and Junior. Sure he had the better QB and passing game, but he also had better teammates at the other WR spots for Tua to spread the ball to. Ridley was also 20 years old as a freshman vs 18 for Jeudy, which gave him a physical advantage. When Jeudy was 19 he was named the best WR in college football, When Ridley was 19 he was sitting out because he was still in HS but was too old to be allowed to play.

[nathanq42]

Just a side note about Walter football, they have Kamara number 3 in 2017. The hit and miss like anyone

[cantguardjake]

I'm not sure where you got this. I've been following them for a while and they had DK as 1 throughout a majority of last year. They can be inaccurate at times for sure, but in they also definitely provide solid info, and when you think about how insanely difficult it is to mock college receivers they do a solid job.

Before last year's draft they had WR's as:

1. Metcalf
2. Campbell
3. Marquise Brown
4. AJ Brown
5. Deebo
6. Harry

When you think about Campbell being injured, and the colts losing luck that's really solid.

2018 they had their WR's as:

1. Ridley
2. Sutton
3. Moore
4. Kirk
5. Chark

This was great.

Apologies to them and you, I'm fully wrong and I was pulling it out of the ol' subconscious. I know there was a point that I "switched off" from reading Walter Football last year, and I know it was over some stuff I thought was egregious - but da*ned if I can remember what it was now. Sorry.

If people feel strongly that they're a good source, then I will surely have a reconsider of reading them again. I seemed to remember that a lot of people felt strongly against them here, though..

Like most mock draft sites they update their rankings in line with media chatter piggy backing off the “experts”. So whilst those final mocks look impressive they are no different to every other mock website out there in retrospect. For example this time last year Sanders absolutely was not their #2 ranked back and was barely top 10 (with Montgomery being #1 for most of the season). About all they’re good for this time of the year is having a comprehensive list of all prospects to refer back to, which admittedly is useful in itself, but some of their estimates for projected 40 times are laughable.

[Needalife]

So question about Jalen Reagor..... as someone who watches a good bit of college football but didn't catch much TCU, I tend to get my highlights for guys I haven't ever watched from YouTube which I fully admit is not great. That said, Reagor highlights include tons of kick returns. What have you guys seen from him as a pure WR and route running and such? I like his explosiveness and speed but will he be an every-down WR or is he a 3rd WR and kick return specialist? He's growing on me and I would love to hear more opinions.

[FantasyFreak]

So question about Jalen Reagor..... as someone who watches a good bit of college football but didn't catch much TCU, I tend to get my highlights for guys I haven't ever watched from YouTube which I fully admit is not great. That said, Reagor highlights include tons of kick returns. What have you guys seen from him as a pure WR and route running and such? I like his explosiveness and speed but will he be an every-down WR or is he a 3rd WR and kick return specialist? He's growing on me and I would love to hear more opinions.

I don't pretend to know where he will start, but he has really good looking hands (catches everything with them, even deep balls, which a lot of guys basket catch) and he is impressive adjusting to the ball in the air with a great looking vertical. I think his catch radius is larger than most guys his size. The KR/PR thing is a bonus, because it will get him on the field, and teams may sink more draft capital into him due to it. The reason Hardman went so early was due to his special teams skills, and I think Reagor is a better prospect as a WR than Hardman, although arguably Hardman is the better ST prospect.

[Kmani6]

I'm not sure where you got this. I've been following them for a while and they had DK as 1 throughout a majority of last year. They can be inaccurate at times for sure, but in they also definitely provide solid info, and when you think about how insanely difficult it is to mock college receivers they do a solid job.

Before last year's draft they had WR's as:

1. Metcalf
2. Campbell
3. Marquise Brown
4. AJ Brown
5. Deebo
6. Harry

When you think about Campbell being injured, and the colts losing luck that's really solid.

2018 they had their WR's as:

1. Ridley
2. Sutton
3. Moore
4. Kirk
5. Chark

This was great.

Apologies to them and you, I'm fully wrong and I was pulling it out of the ol' subconscious. I know there was a point that I "switched off" from reading Walter Football last year, and I know it was over some stuff I thought was egregious - but da*ned if I can remember what it was now. Sorry.

If people feel strongly that they're a good source, then I will surely have a reconsider of reading them again. I seemed to remember that a lot of people felt strongly against them here, though..

Like most mock draft sites they update their rankings in line with media chatter piggy backing off the “experts”. So whilst those final mocks look impressive they are no different to every other mock website out there in retrospect. For example this time last year Sanders absolutely was not their #2 ranked back and was barely top 10 (with Montgomery being #1 for most of the season). About all they’re good for this time of the year is having a comprehensive list of all prospects to refer back to, which admittedly is useful in itself, but some of their estimates for projected 40 times are laughable.

Those were all pre draft rankings. Most people screw up pre draft rankings big time. Are you really holding them using new information against them? That seems ridiculous. Obviously what we think of players now vs. after combine changes big time. Find where kamara was 3rd by the “experts”. Those two WR class drafts from 2018 and 2019 were huge hits and were honestly mad spot on.

[Kmani6]

When you think about how hard it is to accurately mock like that it’s honestly impressive. Obviously they probably get some fake info thrown into other real scouting advice they get. But overall they do a decent job for sure.

[Kmani6]

1. Ridley
2. Sutton
3. Moore
4. Kirk
5. Chark

[ravn88]

That’s a pretty fair take on Jeudy actually. It actually sounds eerily similar to Ridleys coming out (lack of contested catch ability, not playing strong, poor vert but great route runner) which has proven to translate well to the NFL, however as you’ve pointed out previously Ridley passed the minimum thresholds for analytics in dominator rating etc.

Will be keen to see how Jeudy plays out, I’m backing him in.

I'm not even that big on Jeudy, however Ridley basically started college at the same age Jeudy FINISHED college, so I don't think those comparisons on analytics are exactly a great way to compare it.

Yet he still produced over his entire career and alongside Amari Cooper who is one of the best collegiate WR prospects we’ve seen and was a target hog. Ridley “broke out” late, but it’s because he was just plain older when he started college. Not sure if you can blame Ridley for that.

I do agree tho that he’s not a great comparison to Ridley, but for different reasons.

So everyone comp Jeudy to Ridley, however would a Keenan Allen not be a better comp ?