Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby murphysxm » Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:01 am

Anteaters wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:32 am
I'm glad people are undervaluing Sanders. I just honestly don't quite understand why. Or maybe I've just been hanging around this forum too much.
It is kind of like with CEH. Those that drafted him expected stud RB1 potential, which hasn't happened. I don't think he is being under valued, I think his value is right sizing. The difference between JT/Hines and Sanders/Gainwell is JT is better than Sanders and Gainwell is better than Hines. Sanders is a solid RB2, but he will never be more than that IMO
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby timeEd32 » Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:25 pm

Are we sure Gainwell is better than Hines?

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Orenthal Shames » Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:26 pm

timeEd32 wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:25 pm Are we sure Gainwell is better than Hines?
Hardly
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby FantasyFreak » Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:27 pm

Orenthal Shames wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:26 pm
timeEd32 wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:25 pm Are we sure Gainwell is better than Hines?
Hardly
Nope, but he has looked good from the get go.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Anteaters » Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:06 pm

timeEd32 wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:25 pm Are we sure Gainwell is better than Hines?
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Hines is great at what he does. Maybe the best off the bench receiving RB. Gainwell ... um, hasn't proven anything on the NFL level yet.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby abloom » Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:31 pm

Anteaters wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:06 pm
timeEd32 wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:25 pm Are we sure Gainwell is better than Hines?
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Hines is great at what he does. Maybe the best off the bench receiving RB. Gainwell ... um, hasn't proven anything on the NFL level yet.
James white begs to differ.

But I agree with the main point. Gaiinwell is all potential right now. Let's see how he does before saying he's better than hines
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby murphysxm » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:12 pm

Hines is awesome on special teams, which doesn't help fantasy much, but yes I think Gainwell is a better asset
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Anteaters » Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:51 pm

abloom wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:31 pm
Anteaters wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:06 pm
timeEd32 wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:25 pm Are we sure Gainwell is better than Hines?
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Hines is great at what he does. Maybe the best off the bench receiving RB. Gainwell ... um, hasn't proven anything on the NFL level yet.
James white begs to differ.
Yeah, White has put up some great stats in that Patriots scheme.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby kmbryant09 » Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:27 pm

As a Sanders owner who also owns CEH / Dobbins / Ekeler / Gibson / Sermon / Gaskin / Edmonds / Edwards, I can confirm that Sanders is basically impossible to trade away right now. I've had so many offers for Dobbins (pre injury, and now Edwards post-injury) / CEH / Ekeler / Gibson and even some offers for Sermon & Gaskin, but absolutely nothing for Sanders.

I'm not saying people are suggesting a 5-man committee not anything stupid like that, but nobody in my league wants him. Here's 3 anecdotes to prove it:

1. Before the Dobbins injury, I put all 5 of my top RBs on the trade block (CEH / Dobbins / Sanders / Gibson / Ekeler). I got 2 responses saying they were interested in my trading block except for Sanders - specifically stating they didn't want him.

2. Had multiple discussions with an owner that has a boat load of picks looking to load up on RBs, and every discussion basically came down to him saying "I just don't want/trust Sanders, no deal"

3. Before the Cam Newton release, I had proposed Sanders for D. Harris + 1st. I was told by that owner that he wouldn't trade Harris straight up for Sanders.

So yeah, if you don't own Sanders, this off-season's news blurbs have basically turned you into a complete non-believer.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Yarnith » Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:33 pm

Odds he can break 1000yds rushing? or scores more than 6tds in a season? I feel like Hurts is gonna have more rushing TDs. =)
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Anteaters » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:36 am

Yarnith wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:33 pm Odds he can break 1000yds rushing? or scores more than 6tds in a season? I feel like Hurts is gonna have more rushing TDs. =)
Having a top-shelf running-capable QB does not make a good RB inconsequential. Over the past three seasons, Lamar has had 2900RuYds, 5TD, 7TDs and 7TDs. I didn't hear one person saying Dobbins was unwanted by fantasy owners because Lamar Jackson is his QB. In 2018, Baltimore had no healthy lead RB. In 2019, Ingram had 1250TotYds/15TDs. In 2020, Gus/JK/Ingram combined for 2100TotYds/17TDs.

Meanwhile, an unproven Hurts is supposed to be so fantastic that he steals all of the rushing action from Sanders? Sorry, but I'm not smoking off that pipe.

I'm not worried one bit about Hurts hurting Sanders' production. Unless Hurts hurts it by being such a terrible passer that defenses stack the box because Hurts is an inept passer.

Unless he gets injured, Sanders is a lock for 1000 rushing and 300 receiving. That's my floor for him. The ceiling is much higher.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:44 am

Yarnith wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:33 pm Odds he can break 1000yds rushing? or scores more than 6tds in a season? I feel like Hurts is gonna have more rushing TDs. =)
He should, barring injury. There is 17 games now. 1000 yards rushing and receiving is even less of an accomplishment, now. It's about 59 yards per game.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby murphysxm » Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:11 am

Anteaters wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:36 am
Unless he gets injured, Sanders is a lock for 1000 rushing and 300 receiving. That's my floor for him. The ceiling is much higher.
It is hard for me to say somebody's floor is more rushing yards then they have ever had in a season.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby abloom » Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:24 am

Anteaters wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:36 am
Yarnith wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:33 pm Odds he can break 1000yds rushing? or scores more than 6tds in a season? I feel like Hurts is gonna have more rushing TDs. =)
Having a top-shelf running-capable QB does not make a good RB inconsequential. Over the past three seasons, Lamar has had 2900RuYds, 5TD, 7TDs and 7TDs. I didn't hear one person saying Dobbins was unwanted by fantasy owners because Lamar Jackson is his QB. In 2018, Baltimore had no healthy lead RB. In 2019, Ingram had 1250TotYds/15TDs. In 2020, Gus/JK/Ingram combined for 2100TotYds/17TDs.

Meanwhile, an unproven Hurts is supposed to be so fantastic that he steals all of the rushing action from Sanders? Sorry, but I'm not smoking off that pipe.

I'm not worried one bit about Hurts hurting Sanders' production. Unless Hurts hurts it by being such a terrible passer that defenses stack the box because Hurts is an inept passer.

Unless he gets injured, Sanders is a lock for 1000 rushing and 300 receiving. That's my floor for him. The ceiling is much higher.
I've been very vocal and consistent saying that Dobbins ceiling is capped due to Lamar, Gus, and the ravens offense as a whole. Now we'll never know I guess.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Anteaters » Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:36 am

murphysxm wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:11 am
Anteaters wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:36 am
Unless he gets injured, Sanders is a lock for 1000 rushing and 300 receiving. That's my floor for him. The ceiling is much higher.
It is hard for me to say somebody's floor is more rushing yards then they have ever had in a season.
That's funny, but it proves the point I'm trying to make. Most of the 2020 rookie RBs didn't get 1000 yds. Dobbins, CEH, Gibson, Swift, Akers - none of them have had a 1000 yd season. Only Taylor and JRob did it. Yet, by some magical formula, Sanders is deemed to be the lowest of the bunch, and apparently lower than the best of his own 2019 class. It defies logic.
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