Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Anteaters » Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:16 am

mild wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:23 pm
Anteaters wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:46 pm Today's game against Carolina was P.A.T.H.E.T.I.C. And what's up with 164yds/0TD/1INT by Hurts? :wall:
This aged great! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Didn't it though? :lol: :lol: :lol:

mild wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:23 pm Honestly, these Eagles are completely confounding, but at least they've got short memory syndrome.

Darnold throwing INT's with the game on the line... positively Jetsy!
I can't believe how that game turned right after I posted. Now I don't know if I'm more down on Sanders' usage or Darnold's play.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby abloom » Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:34 am

Sanders got 3 of his 11 carries and 22 of his 45 yards on the last drive to end the game.

He needs a change of scenery
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, Fields, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens, wilson
T: Kelce, Goedert, Thomas, woods
D: cle, nyj
K: Sanders

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K: Tucker
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W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Jfever » Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:44 am

This usage is criminal. I can only assume that people will lose jobs over this approach if it continues.

Regardless where some on these boards are with their opinion on Sanders, this run / pass descrepincy and playcalling is incredibly unbalanced and Hurts looks overwhelmed more often than he looks competent as an NFL starter.

Sanders is basically unstartable in fantasy along with all offensive players until further notice.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby abloom » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:19 am

JFever wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:44 am This usage is criminal. I can only assume that people will lose jobs over this approach if it continues.

Regardless where some on these boards are with their opinion on Sanders, this run / pass descrepincy and playcalling is incredibly unbalanced and Hurts looks overwhelmed more often than he looks competent as an NFL starter.

Sanders is basically unstartable in fantasy along with all offensive players until further notice.
I mean unless the coaching staff is seeing something different in practice.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, Fields, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens, wilson
T: Kelce, Goedert, Thomas, woods
D: cle, nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson, Browning, Rudolph, Zappe
R: Swift, Walker, Dobbins, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen, Nuk, Tre tucker, C Samuel,
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

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Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Jfever » Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:04 am

abloom wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:19 am
JFever wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:44 am This usage is criminal. I can only assume that people will lose jobs over this approach if it continues.

Regardless where some on these boards are with their opinion on Sanders, this run / pass descrepincy and playcalling is incredibly unbalanced and Hurts looks overwhelmed more often than he looks competent as an NFL starter.

Sanders is basically unstartable in fantasy along with all offensive players until further notice.
I mean unless the coaching staff is seeing something different in practice.
Right? I'm wondering what they could be seeing in practice that could justify their approach. There seems to be zero balance in their offensive attack. Is it a statistical anomaly that will balance out? Do they really intend to run an offense that barely runs the ball at all? It is quite strange and ultimately not very productive. If Darnold hadn't screwed up, the Eagles would not have won that game. I guess time will tell.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby CGW » Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:14 am

JFever wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:04 am
abloom wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:19 am
JFever wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:44 am This usage is criminal. I can only assume that people will lose jobs over this approach if it continues.

Regardless where some on these boards are with their opinion on Sanders, this run / pass descrepincy and playcalling is incredibly unbalanced and Hurts looks overwhelmed more often than he looks competent as an NFL starter.

Sanders is basically unstartable in fantasy along with all offensive players until further notice.
I mean unless the coaching staff is seeing something different in practice.
Right? I'm wondering what they could be seeing in practice that could justify their approach. There seems to be zero balance in their offensive attack. Is it a statistical anomaly that will balance out? Do they really intend to run an offense that barely runs the ball at all? It is quite strange and ultimately not very productive. If Darnold hadn't screwed up, the Eagles would not have won that game. I guess time will tell.
I can only imagine the playbook is fairly limited with Hurts in there. I didn't watch the game, but his yards per attempt was atrocious. If he can't throw beyond 2 yards of the line of scrimmage the run game is going to get smothered. That ypa isn't forcing anyone to respect the passing game. If Hurts can develop into a passer, it would greatly benefit Sanders fantasy production.

Sanders is fine from a talent aspect. He's not elite and he's not situation proof. This team isn't any good and the coaching isn't any good. Tough to trust any of the eagles for fantasy in the near term.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby AussieMate » Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:34 pm

CGW wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:14 am
JFever wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:04 am
abloom wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:19 am

I mean unless the coaching staff is seeing something different in practice.
Right? I'm wondering what they could be seeing in practice that could justify their approach. There seems to be zero balance in their offensive attack. Is it a statistical anomaly that will balance out? Do they really intend to run an offense that barely runs the ball at all? It is quite strange and ultimately not very productive. If Darnold hadn't screwed up, the Eagles would not have won that game. I guess time will tell.
I can only imagine the playbook is fairly limited with Hurts in there. I didn't watch the game, but his yards per attempt was atrocious. If he can't throw beyond 2 yards of the line of scrimmage the run game is going to get smothered. That ypa isn't forcing anyone to respect the passing game. If Hurts can develop into a passer, it would greatly benefit Sanders fantasy production.

Sanders is fine from a talent aspect. He's not elite and he's not situation proof. This team isn't any good and the coaching isn't any good. Tough to trust any of the eagles for fantasy in the near term.
From what I've read (haven't watched the games) they run a bunch of RPO's and Hurts is just deciding its "his" ball on all of them whether its a run or pass. That does still seem like its largely a coaching problem to have let it go on this much without changing up the playcall or having a chat to Hurts that he can't have every run.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Orenthal Shames » Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:33 pm

Per Mike Clay:

Miles Sanders was targeted 5 times in Week 5. His Air Yards on those 5 targets:

-8
-6
-6
-6
-6

That's -32 air yards, which resulted in 5 catches for 6 yards.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby MFundercover » Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:23 pm

His usage has been abysmal. I hope he can get out of Philly and salvage his career. Not even for fantasy purposes, he deserves better than this.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby ThunderTung » Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:35 pm

Whew, im glad I sold him right before the season started
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RB(2): ETN/Walker III
WR(2): Chase/Lamb
TE(1): Goedert
FLEX(2): Stevenson/Garrett Wilson
K: Mcpherson
DL(2): T. Walker/Vea
LB(2): D. Long/TJ Edwards
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Anteaters » Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:53 pm

Orenthal Shames wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:33 pm Per Mike Clay:

Miles Sanders was targeted 5 times in Week 5. His Air Yards on those 5 targets:

-8
-6
-6
-6
-6

That's -32 air yards, which resulted in 5 catches for 6 yards.

Mind boggling
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TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Tre Tucker, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
IR: Mike Williams (WR), Joey Bosa (DL)
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby dondickenson » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:12 am

I have been beating the warning drum on Sanders even as an owner, but yeah the usage is even crazier low than I thought it would be. I still expect him to get 10 carries and 5 targets a game, and I expect a big blowup game at some point especially when he gets in the end zone say on like a long screen, but it’s gonna still be hard to trust going forward after that. Bad situation, could keep me entangled in owning him for a while especially if he has 1 out of every 5-6 weeks looking really nice. Don’t know what to do with him.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Jigga94 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:34 pm

I own him in a redraft and he's a roster clogger. Can't start him, can't drop him. Glad it's a redraft

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby StripesOfKC » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:12 pm

Time for some here to accept that Miles Sanders just isn't very good

Doesn't mean he sucks but he isn't some phenomenal talent held back by being in Philly

He (and Jacobs for that matter) are just fine players propped up by the fact we as a community hype the bleep out of young RBs and they happened to be one of the best in an awful class

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Space Cowboy » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:05 pm

I’m trying to buy low. I think he can be a solid RB2 starting next year. Not a high end RB2 but someone like a current chase Edmonds.


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