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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby AussieMate » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:55 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:21 pm
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Sriracha wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:58 am

He's gone for over a 100 yards vs PIT and BAL. He might just need to see easier D's to explode.
Don’t worry, he’s got my “epically” bad Cowboys defense coming up in week 8. He’s going off for sure, assuming he’s healthy.
He's out 1-2 weeks, so may not be. May only get limited touches if he is. Big divisional game. 3 wins may win the division this year. :lol:
Its upsetting that he might miss the Cowboys/Giants, good news is I think Sanders has some pretty good matchups coming into the fantasy finals and might even vs Cowboys again in week 16 I believe so could be a league winner!!!

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Cowboysfan33 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:59 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:21 pm
Cowboysfan33 wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:58 pm
Sriracha wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:58 am

He's gone for over a 100 yards vs PIT and BAL. He might just need to see easier D's to explode.
Don’t worry, he’s got my “epically” bad Cowboys defense coming up in week 8. He’s going off for sure, assuming he’s healthy.
He's out 1-2 weeks, so may not be. May only get limited touches if he is. Big divisional game. 3 wins may win the division this year. :lol:
Yeah, really, it’s been awful. I thought he was supposed to be back but regardless, whom ever they have at RB will be very productive. It’s the worst Cowboys defense that I can remember watching and I’ve been watching them since being a kid in the late 80s.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Pullo Vision » Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:06 am

Where are people on Sanders, given his highs and lows? Looks like there were concerns in previous offseasons. Has anyone changed on their views? New coaching staff, going from Wentz to Hurts. Theoretically, a running QB could open the running game but reduce/eliminate catching options for RBs.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Sriracha » Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:10 pm

Pullo Vision wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:06 am Where are people on Sanders, given his highs and lows? Looks like there were concerns in previous offseasons. Has anyone changed on their views? New coaching staff, going from Wentz to Hurts. Theoretically, a running QB could open the running game but reduce/eliminate catching options for RBs.
I don't know if I buy that narrative. Carson Wentz wasn't exactly a statue back there and it's not like Sander's target share was noticeably lower with Hurts at the helm.

Kenny Gainwell is a bigger concern for me as I think he's a much better receiving back than his draft capital would imply.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Orenthal Shames » Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:19 pm

Pullo Vision wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:06 am Where are people on Sanders, given his highs and lows? Looks like there were concerns in previous offseasons. Has anyone changed on their views? New coaching staff, going from Wentz to Hurts. Theoretically, a running QB could open the running game but reduce/eliminate catching options for RBs.
It all depends on your expectations. If you are banking on him being a locked-and-loaded RB1, you'll likely be disappointed. If you're penciling him in as a RB2 with upside, you're golden.

He was really solid with Hurts under center to end the season. He also finished top 4 in yards per attempt (min. 150 carries) with a slew of backup OL. He was #2 with Hurts at QB.

Hurts takes over this season, OL gets healthy and they didn't add anyone of consequence to the RB room.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Anteaters » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:20 am

I'm hopeful for Sanders, but realistic that he'll probably be a RB2. Probably not even a high RB2. I estimate he'll finish in the RB17-RB22 range, with limited potential to hit RB12 if things work out favorably.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Space Cowboy » Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:58 am

Thought he could be a low end RB1 coming out, loved him and Henderson but now he looks like a mid range RB2.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Jfever » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:42 pm

I’d lean toward expecting low end rb 1 type production. I see very little competition for touches there and the likelihood of something Iike 1300-1500 total yards, 30-40 receptions and around 8-10 tds puts him higher than a low end rb 2 for me. I expect the Eagles to lean on him a bit to be honest. In my big money league I have M.Sanders as my 3rd or 4th rb so he is a flex starter or just great depth for byes or injuries.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby kmbryant09 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:41 pm

I don't get why everyone is so afraid of the "competition" in Philadelphia when looking at Miles Sanders' 2021 outlook.

Were D'Andre Swift owners really sweating Kerryon Johnson in Detroit? Are people really afraid of Jordan 1.2 ypc Howard? We're really freaking out about an undersized 5th round rookie?

Sanders should be locked in for 240+ carries and 40+ targets in an improved offense. The offensive line is 10x healthier than the 2020 version, and while Hurts is a major question mark, mobile QBs have had nothing but beneficial impacts on RB efficiency.

Small sample size alert, but Sanders averaged 105 scrimmage yards/game, 3 catches/game, and a TD/game in Hurts 3 full games. That's nearly 1,800 total yards, 50 catches, and 17 TDs in a full season. Even if he only hits 75% of that, that's RB 1 numbers.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Anteaters » Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:25 am

kmbryant09 wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:41 pm I don't get why everyone is so afraid of the "competition" in Philadelphia when looking at Miles Sanders' 2021 outlook.

Were D'Andre Swift owners really sweating Kerryon Johnson in Detroit? Are people really afraid of Jordan 1.2 ypc Howard? We're really freaking out about an undersized 5th round rookie?

Sanders should be locked in for 240+ carries and 40+ targets in an improved offense. The offensive line is 10x healthier than the 2020 version, and while Hurts is a major question mark, mobile QBs have had nothing but beneficial impacts on RB efficiency.

Small sample size alert, but Sanders averaged 105 scrimmage yards/game, 3 catches/game, and a TD/game in Hurts 3 full games. That's nearly 1,800 total yards, 50 catches, and 17 TDs in a full season. Even if he only hits 75% of that, that's RB 1 numbers.
I agree with all that. Kerryon is no threat. Gainwell??? LMFAO. Sanders should dominate Philly's RB usage. Even with that, I don't think Philly will score enough and/or move the ball enough to make Sanders a RB1 for 2021.

But I can't see how Sanders cracks the top 12. I'll be happy if he turns in a RB17 season. I want more, but there's a lot of talent in that Top15RB list.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby abloom » Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:27 am

kmbryant09 wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:41 pm I don't get why everyone is so afraid of the "competition" in Philadelphia when looking at Miles Sanders' 2021 outlook.

Were D'Andre Swift owners really sweating Kerryon Johnson in Detroit? Are people really afraid of Jordan 1.2 ypc Howard? We're really freaking out about an undersized 5th round rookie?

Sanders should be locked in for 240+ carries and 40+ targets in an improved offense. The offensive line is 10x healthier than the 2020 version, and while Hurts is a major question mark, mobile QBs have had nothing but beneficial impacts on RB efficiency.

Small sample size alert, but Sanders averaged 105 scrimmage yards/game, 3 catches/game, and a TD/game in Hurts 3 full games. That's nearly 1,800 total yards, 50 catches, and 17 TDs in a full season. Even if he only hits 75% of that, that's RB 1 numbers.
I'm far more concerned about their QB play in Philly than the backup RBs. Unless hurts can improve his passing game I see the league adjusting to him this year and really making the team one dimensional.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby kmbryant09 » Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:02 pm

abloom wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:27 am
kmbryant09 wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:41 pm I don't get why everyone is so afraid of the "competition" in Philadelphia when looking at Miles Sanders' 2021 outlook.

Were D'Andre Swift owners really sweating Kerryon Johnson in Detroit? Are people really afraid of Jordan 1.2 ypc Howard? We're really freaking out about an undersized 5th round rookie?

Sanders should be locked in for 240+ carries and 40+ targets in an improved offense. The offensive line is 10x healthier than the 2020 version, and while Hurts is a major question mark, mobile QBs have had nothing but beneficial impacts on RB efficiency.

Small sample size alert, but Sanders averaged 105 scrimmage yards/game, 3 catches/game, and a TD/game in Hurts 3 full games. That's nearly 1,800 total yards, 50 catches, and 17 TDs in a full season. Even if he only hits 75% of that, that's RB 1 numbers.
I'm far more concerned about their QB play in Philly than the backup RBs. Unless hurts can improve his passing game I see the league adjusting to him this year and really making the team one dimensional.
He wasn't all that bad considering he was a raw rookie thrown into the fire late in the season with no offensive line and no capable WRs. His counting stats weren't great but he put some solid throws / reads on tape. The hope is the supporting cast is significantly improved, which should help Hurts & the offense.

But even last year, the offense in general was actually MUCH improved with Hurts under center compared to Wentz. I think it goes to show that when you have a mobile QB, they only need to be competent or average as a passer in order to lead an above-average offense in terms of points & yards.

Assuming Hurts starts 17 games (which is certainly a leap of faith), I think Philly's baseline, near-floor scenario is an offense that finishes in the 12 - 20 range for points & yards. If he actually turns out to be decent with a better line and better weapons? I think they are a borderline top10 offense.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby MEuRaH » Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:51 pm

I'm all in on Sanders and always have been, and I've been able to increase my ownership of him because of the perceived lows for this upcoming season. The Eagles have a whole new coaching staff, which fully replaces that dreadful offensive scheme they've had there for the past few seasons. I expect all players to have a bump in production as a result.

I don't know if you guys know any Eagles fans like I do. They are beyond thrilled at the possibilities for 2021. Mike Groh was a terrible offensive coordinator (the guy after Frank Reich and the Super Bowl run) and then the Eagles didn't even have an OC last year. As a result we've seen Wentz regress, Ertz decline, WRs never develop, and offensive numbers drop over the past 3 years.

Shane Steichen is the new OC, coming over from the Chargers. He's done quite well in LA and I expect this Eagles offense to get back up to par this season, so I'm buying shares of Sanders before the season starts.

Wentz is now the QB for the Colts. Who is the coach? Frank Reich. Wentz was an MVP candidate before his injury under Reich. A lot of people forgot about that.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Orenthal Shames » Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:43 am

dlf_mikeh wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:51 pm I'm all in on Sanders and always have been, and I've been able to increase my ownership of him because of the perceived lows for this upcoming season. The Eagles have a whole new coaching staff, which fully replaces that dreadful offensive scheme they've had there for the past few seasons. I expect all players to have a bump in production as a result.

I don't know if you guys know any Eagles fans like I do. They are beyond thrilled at the possibilities for 2021. Mike Groh was a terrible offensive coordinator (the guy after Frank Reich and the Super Bowl run) and then the Eagles didn't even have an OC last year. As a result we've seen Wentz regress, Ertz decline, WRs never develop, and offensive numbers drop over the past 3 years.

Shane Steichen is the new OC, coming over from the Chargers. He's done quite well in LA and I expect this Eagles offense to get back up to par this season, so I'm buying shares of Sanders before the season starts.

Wentz is now the QB for the Colts. Who is the coach? Frank Reich. Wentz was an MVP candidate before his injury under Reich. A lot of people forgot about that.
What's your take on his vision? I recall that being one of your biggest concerns the past 2 seasons.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby abloom » Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:13 am

kmbryant09 wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:02 pm
abloom wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:27 am
kmbryant09 wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:41 pm I don't get why everyone is so afraid of the "competition" in Philadelphia when looking at Miles Sanders' 2021 outlook.

Were D'Andre Swift owners really sweating Kerryon Johnson in Detroit? Are people really afraid of Jordan 1.2 ypc Howard? We're really freaking out about an undersized 5th round rookie?

Sanders should be locked in for 240+ carries and 40+ targets in an improved offense. The offensive line is 10x healthier than the 2020 version, and while Hurts is a major question mark, mobile QBs have had nothing but beneficial impacts on RB efficiency.

Small sample size alert, but Sanders averaged 105 scrimmage yards/game, 3 catches/game, and a TD/game in Hurts 3 full games. That's nearly 1,800 total yards, 50 catches, and 17 TDs in a full season. Even if he only hits 75% of that, that's RB 1 numbers.
I'm far more concerned about their QB play in Philly than the backup RBs. Unless hurts can improve his passing game I see the league adjusting to him this year and really making the team one dimensional.
He wasn't all that bad considering he was a raw rookie thrown into the fire late in the season with no offensive line and no capable WRs. His counting stats weren't great but he put some solid throws / reads on tape. The hope is the supporting cast is significantly improved, which should help Hurts & the offense.

But even last year, the offense in general was actually MUCH improved with Hurts under center compared to Wentz. I think it goes to show that when you have a mobile QB, they only need to be competent or average as a passer in order to lead an above-average offense in terms of points & yards.

Assuming Hurts starts 17 games (which is certainly a leap of faith), I think Philly's baseline, near-floor scenario is an offense that finishes in the 12 - 20 range for points & yards. If he actually turns out to be decent with a better line and better weapons? I think they are a borderline top10 offense.
My concern is solely his passing. We've seen a lot of times that running QBs start off good in the NFL, but the defenses tend to eventually catch up. Additionally I'm less concerned with hurts fantasy performance than I am with the rest of the team. He'll still get the carries and tds. It's similar to how with Baltimore I'm fine with LJax but the rest of the team I have concerns with.
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