Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby abloom » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:29 am

dlf_mikeh wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:55 am
MFundercover wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:43 pm I'll take the L on hyping him in the offseason, but to be fair I don't think anybody was predicting the usage to be quite this bad. I've never seen and NFL offense literally not run the ball. And as bad as Hurts looks, the coaching staff is even worse.
You and me both.

Sanders actually looked decent this past game. He had a run that looked so good I had go to "who was that" and was shocked to see it was Sanders. Why aren't they using him more?

Frustrating.
I had the same reaction.


To be fair I think the majority of this is not Sanders' direct fault. I think a lot of this is on the coaching staff and the QB. The staff isn't giving him the opportunities and the QB is not good enough to help Sanders. That being said if Sanders was a world beater you'd hope that the coaching staff would see that and feed him the ball more.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby dondickenson » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:57 am

I think people are confused in thinking the Eagles aren’t running the ball. They are. They are averaging 113.7 yards per game rushing, which puts them at 15/32 in the NFL.

PHI average more yards rushing per game than: WFT, LAC, CAR, SEA, DET, GB, CIN, LAR, NYG, TB. They average 40 yards more per game than PIT. They average just less than 1 yard less rushing per game than MIN and IND. There are an incredible number of good fantasy RBs that are producing on that list of teams.

The biggest difference between all of them and PHI? The running QB. Out of those 113 yards per game rushing, Hurts is averaging 50 of them. He’s also kept the ball in basically every running situation available in goal line. Here are the numbers so far:

Sanders 57 carries, 270 yards, 4.7 ypc, 0 TD

Hurts 53 carries, 300 yards, 5.7 ypc, 5 TD

And it isn’t like the Eagles are super unbalanced passing the ball either. They are dead center, tied for 16/32, in pass attempts per game, despite being down and playing from behind a lot. This isn’t an unbalanced offense, just Sanders is losing general rushing volume to Hurts and basically all goal line opportunities. Brutal.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby ThunderTung » Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:25 am

dondickenson wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:57 am I think people are confused in thinking the Eagles aren’t running the ball. They are. They are averaging 113.7 yards per game rushing, which puts them at 15/32 in the NFL.

PHI average more yards rushing per game than: WFT, LAC, CAR, SEA, DET, GB, CIN, LAR, NYG, TB. They average 40 yards more per game than PIT. They average just less than 1 yard less rushing per game than MIN and IND. There are an incredible number of good fantasy RBs that are producing on that list of teams.

The biggest difference between all of them and PHI? The running QB. Out of those 113 yards per game rushing, Hurts is averaging 50 of them. He’s also kept the ball in basically every running situation available in goal line. Here are the numbers so far:

Sanders 57 carries, 270 yards, 4.7 ypc, 0 TD

Hurts 53 carries, 300 yards, 5.7 ypc, 5 TD

And it isn’t like the Eagles are super unbalanced passing the ball either. They are dead center, tied for 16/32, in pass attempts per game, despite being down and playing from behind a lot. This isn’t an unbalanced offense, just Sanders is losing general rushing volume to Hurts and basically all goal line opportunities. Brutal.
that's a good point, the hard part for sanders is its gonna be tough for him to get TD's. Unless he's ripping off for 60 yard tugs, they're either throwing in Gainwell in the redzone, or Hurts Is just gonna keep it.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Anteaters » Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:19 pm

abloom wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:29 am That being said if Sanders was a world beater you'd hope that the coaching staff would see that and feed him the ball more.
Never overestimate the intelligence of football coaches.

Derrick Henry is an actual world beater. Two different coaching staffs failed to realize how talented Henry was and he was stuck in a RBBC for his first THREE seasons. First, Mike Mularkey had Henry split with DeMarco Murray getting a 3.5:1 advantage in touches. The second year Murray had a 1.5:1 advantage in touches. The third year, coach Vrabel had Henry in an even touch split with Dion Lewis. It wasn't until his fourth season that his coaches finally realized how great Henry was.

I don't have confidence the Philly coaches are smart enough to realize how helpful Sanders could be to the team and to Hurts' development if they'd only give him a proper chance.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby dondickenson » Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:20 pm

ThunderTung wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:25 am
dondickenson wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:57 am I think people are confused in thinking the Eagles aren’t running the ball. They are. They are averaging 113.7 yards per game rushing, which puts them at 15/32 in the NFL.

PHI average more yards rushing per game than: WFT, LAC, CAR, SEA, DET, GB, CIN, LAR, NYG, TB. They average 40 yards more per game than PIT. They average just less than 1 yard less rushing per game than MIN and IND. There are an incredible number of good fantasy RBs that are producing on that list of teams.

The biggest difference between all of them and PHI? The running QB. Out of those 113 yards per game rushing, Hurts is averaging 50 of them. He’s also kept the ball in basically every running situation available in goal line. Here are the numbers so far:

Sanders 57 carries, 270 yards, 4.7 ypc, 0 TD

Hurts 53 carries, 300 yards, 5.7 ypc, 5 TD

And it isn’t like the Eagles are super unbalanced passing the ball either. They are dead center, tied for 16/32, in pass attempts per game, despite being down and playing from behind a lot. This isn’t an unbalanced offense, just Sanders is losing general rushing volume to Hurts and basically all goal line opportunities. Brutal.
that's a good point, the hard part for sanders is its gonna be tough for him to get TD's. Unless he's ripping off for 60 yard tugs, they're either throwing in Gainwell in the redzone, or Hurts Is just gonna keep it.
Yep scoring TDs was already not Sanders’ strong suit, and it has gotten worse playing with Hurts. Comparing him to guys from his draft class, Sanders has 12 total TDs in 34 games, Montgomery 20 TDs in 35 games, and Jacobs 22 TDs in 31 games. Jacobs has almost double the TDs scored per game than Sanders.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby MFundercover » Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:49 pm

dondickenson wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:57 am I think people are confused in thinking the Eagles aren’t running the ball. They are. They are averaging 113.7 yards per game rushing, which puts them at 15/32 in the NFL.

PHI average more yards rushing per game than: WFT, LAC, CAR, SEA, DET, GB, CIN, LAR, NYG, TB. They average 40 yards more per game than PIT. They average just less than 1 yard less rushing per game than MIN and IND. There are an incredible number of good fantasy RBs that are producing on that list of teams.

The biggest difference between all of them and PHI? The running QB. Out of those 113 yards per game rushing, Hurts is averaging 50 of them. He’s also kept the ball in basically every running situation available in goal line. Here are the numbers so far:

Sanders 57 carries, 270 yards, 4.7 ypc, 0 TD

Hurts 53 carries, 300 yards, 5.7 ypc, 5 TD

And it isn’t like the Eagles are super unbalanced passing the ball either. They are dead center, tied for 16/32, in pass attempts per game, despite being down and playing from behind a lot. This isn’t an unbalanced offense, just Sanders is losing general rushing volume to Hurts and basically all goal line opportunities. Brutal.
Nobody is confused. The Eagles are literally (not) using their running backs in an unprecedented manor.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Orenthal Shames » Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:10 am

MFundercover wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:49 pm
dondickenson wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:57 am I think people are confused in thinking the Eagles aren’t running the ball. They are. They are averaging 113.7 yards per game rushing, which puts them at 15/32 in the NFL.

PHI average more yards rushing per game than: WFT, LAC, CAR, SEA, DET, GB, CIN, LAR, NYG, TB. They average 40 yards more per game than PIT. They average just less than 1 yard less rushing per game than MIN and IND. There are an incredible number of good fantasy RBs that are producing on that list of teams.

The biggest difference between all of them and PHI? The running QB. Out of those 113 yards per game rushing, Hurts is averaging 50 of them. He’s also kept the ball in basically every running situation available in goal line. Here are the numbers so far:

Sanders 57 carries, 270 yards, 4.7 ypc, 0 TD

Hurts 53 carries, 300 yards, 5.7 ypc, 5 TD

And it isn’t like the Eagles are super unbalanced passing the ball either. They are dead center, tied for 16/32, in pass attempts per game, despite being down and playing from behind a lot. This isn’t an unbalanced offense, just Sanders is losing general rushing volume to Hurts and basically all goal line opportunities. Brutal.
Nobody is confused. The Eagles are literally (not) using their running backs in an unprecedented manor.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Orenthal Shames » Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:31 am

Per PFF:

Miles Sanders has rushed for positive yards on 98.2% of his attempts this season

Highest rate among all RBs
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby abloom » Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:56 am

Orenthal Shames wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:31 am Per PFF:

Miles Sanders has rushed for positive yards on 98.2% of his attempts this season

Highest rate among all RBs
In a related stat, defenses are surprised that the eagles actually ran the ball on 98.2% of sanders' carries
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:37 am

abloom wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:56 am
Orenthal Shames wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:31 am Per PFF:

Miles Sanders has rushed for positive yards on 98.2% of his attempts this season

Highest rate among all RBs
In a related stat, defenses are surprised that the eagles actually ran the ball on 98.2% of sanders' carries
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Jigga94 » Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:09 am

FantasyFreak wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:37 am
abloom wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:56 am
Orenthal Shames wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:31 am Per PFF:

Miles Sanders has rushed for positive yards on 98.2% of his attempts this season

Highest rate among all RBs
In a related stat, defenses are surprised that the eagles actually ran the ball on 98.2% of sanders' carries
I know it's a joke, but there is a shred of truth to this.
I'd say it's about 98.2% truthful

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Orenthal Shames » Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:06 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:37 am
abloom wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:56 am
Orenthal Shames wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:31 am Per PFF:

Miles Sanders has rushed for positive yards on 98.2% of his attempts this season

Highest rate among all RBs
In a related stat, defenses are surprised that the eagles actually ran the ball on 98.2% of sanders' carries
I know it's a joke, but there is a shred of truth to this.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby kmbryant09 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:11 pm

dondickenson wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:57 am I think people are confused in thinking the Eagles aren’t running the ball. They are. They are averaging 113.7 yards per game rushing, which puts them at 15/32 in the NFL.

PHI average more yards rushing per game than: WFT, LAC, CAR, SEA, DET, GB, CIN, LAR, NYG, TB. They average 40 yards more per game than PIT. They average just less than 1 yard less rushing per game than MIN and IND. There are an incredible number of good fantasy RBs that are producing on that list of teams.

The biggest difference between all of them and PHI? The running QB. Out of those 113 yards per game rushing, Hurts is averaging 50 of them. He’s also kept the ball in basically every running situation available in goal line. Here are the numbers so far:

Sanders 57 carries, 270 yards, 4.7 ypc, 0 TD

Hurts 53 carries, 300 yards, 5.7 ypc, 5 TD

And it isn’t like the Eagles are super unbalanced passing the ball either. They are dead center, tied for 16/32, in pass attempts per game, despite being down and playing from behind a lot. This isn’t an unbalanced offense, just Sanders is losing general rushing volume to Hurts and basically all goal line opportunities. Brutal.
I've watched most of their games, and this is NOT the result of RPO's (entirely). I don't have the numbers, but I'd guess at least half of Hurts' "carries" have come on actual scrambles, and most of them towards the end of the game. I'd be curious if anyone has a breakdown, but I bet ~30 or 35 of his carries are on designed pass-plays, with ~20 - 25 of those runs being in the 4th quarter.

Going into the TB game on TNF, PHI had called 87 designed pass plays to 11 run plays over the previous 2 weeks (saw this stat a week ago, so I think it's accurate, but could be off a play or two). And then PHI called up like 17 pass plays to 1 run play in the 1st half of that game. 104 pass plays to 12 run plays over the course of 2.5 games - that would be borderline insane even if P. Mahomes was your QB and you were on your 5th string RB!

As another poster put it, the Eagles are using their RBs at a rate I don't think we've ever seen before in the run game. And it's exponentially perplexing considering how effective Sanders has been as a runner, and how ineffective Hurts has been as a passer.

Not sure if I posted this earlier, but Sanders is T-2nd in the league in broken tackles, and 38th (!!!) in rushes in the league. That means 6 teams have multiple players with more rushes than Sanders, despite the fact that Sanders is averaging 4.7 ypc, breaking tackles at an elite rate, and Hurts is struggling as a passer.

Either Sirianni pulls his head out of his @$$ in the next month and gives Sanders more touches, or the city of Philadelphia will collectively march into his office and fire him.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

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Orenthal Shames wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:26 am A Sanders optimism thread:

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