Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby StripesOfKC » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:36 pm

IZigUZag wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:25 pm how much faith do we have in PHIs offense returning to 2017 Wentz form?

Because that was a major reason for the Sanders hype and thus far this offense has been stuck in 3rd gear until the 2nd half of games all season
This was really the biggest thing that made me lose confidence in him. A developmental player whose payoff is a ways off is fine. But as an RB-a position players come and go so fast-on a team that likes RBBC, has a declining O-Line and may be headed for a mini rebuild (like Seattle post Legion of Boom type)? Much less appealing to me

Ended up selling him with some spare change for Christian Kirk. Good luck to those still holding. The passing game contributions (both catching and pass blocking) have been nice. Nothing in his work as a runner looks like the guy we saw at Penn State though. Still I would say he has a chance to fulfill his expectations. I just didn't love the situation

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby themburns » Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:25 am

I didn't like Sanders the prospect, but I would like to say he looks like he'll be a productive receiver, which makes him fairly safe in PPR leagues. I'm seeing shades of Duke Johnson, but without the concussion issues.

Having said that, I think going forward after Gesecki and Miles Sanders amongst others, are their high combine scores the result of a strength and conditioning program that emphasizes performance. (Fun fact, the Penn St S&C coach also filled the same position at Maryland during Vernon Davis' tenure.)

My concern is that because of their excellent college conditioning, their physical growth has most likely peaked, or was responsible for inflated numbers against bad college defenses. If you look at the splits between Penn St. versus ranked teams and unranked teams, it will account for much of Sanders' college accumulation.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Jfever » Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:10 am

I was under the impression that the Philadelphia O-line was one of the better o-line groups in the league. They've played some tough teams and their play as an offensive unit as a whole has been lower than expected, but, is their 0-line really declining? Serious question.

Again, I bought into Sanders in 3 of my 6 teams as more of a future investment, knowing full well that this year he'd be in a full time share. His tape is excellent. That tells me that the ability / talent is there. I was under the impression that the Eagles 0-line is a solid unit and one that would likely be in the top 3rd of the league for the foreseeable future. I think there is a good chance that he will be the main weapon in a rbbc as soon as next year. His pass catching ability is seemingly very solid. Howard is playing very well and deserves credit for that. However, we've already seen Howard fall out of favor. Time will tell. All it would take is a minor injury and some missed time for Howard, for us to see Sander's work load increase dramatically.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby juke05 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:20 am

JFever wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:10 am I was under the impression that the Philadelphia O-line was one of the better o-line groups in the league. They've played some tough teams and their play as an offensive unit as a whole has been lower than expected, but, is their 0-line really declining? Serious question.
Jason Peters is toast, Kelce almost retired last season so he's most likely done after this year. So that leaves them with a core of Seumalo (not good), Brandon Brooks, Lane Johnson (both good but will be 30+ next year), and the rookie andre dillard at LT who may or may not be good. So yes, I'd say they're declining. The Eagles are just a mess on defense too which causes them to be in a massive whole early so they abandon the run (except on 3rd and long). Given their current defensive depth and history of drafting awful DBs, I don't that changing anytime soon. Eagles are on the cusp of a complete dumpster fire and total rebuild, which is sad to say for me as a fan.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Blueboy » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:22 am

JFever wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:10 am I was under the impression that the Philadelphia O-line was one of the better o-line groups in the league. They've played some tough teams and their play as an offensive unit as a whole has been lower than expected, but, is their 0-line really declining? Serious question.
Still a top 10 unit. Howard is just outplaying Sanders as a runner. The rookie looks like he needs to be coached up.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby jenkins.math » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:35 am

I was never super high on Miles Sanders and felt the hype got really out of control here in a big way. That said, I would certainly buy for a 2nd even in the 2020 class. I could see him having an Austin Ekeler like fantasy career in that he is usually a solid flex play that has RB1 upside. Those guys usually have more value than what their trade price would indicate.

If you were expecting RB1 numbers this year that was silly. That may also be silly in general since Doug Pederson has shown to be a RBBC guy. Similar to the OJ Howard-Bruce Arians not using TEs in the passing game argument. Many tried to argue "well Arians has never had a TE like OJ Howard before". Well where are we now? Same arguments surfaced about Sanders. "Pederson has never had a RB that is clearly better than the rest until now". As long as Sanders (or any RB for that matter) is in a RBBC situation; the fantasy ceiling will always have a cap to it. Keep that in mind when you're evaluating what to offer/accept on Sanders.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Servo » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:37 am

Let's be honest, no one other than Jacobs has looked good with regards to Rookie RB's.

Everyone else has shown flashes but nothing to inspire great confidence moving forward. So if the argument is, "Should I have taken Sanders over XYZ RB?" No one knows at this point.

If it's "Should I have taken Sanders over AJB, Metcalf, etc.", then today, that's leaning slightly in the WR favor.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:18 am

The Eagles OL is still quite good, but clearly is trending it's way down and is no longer in the conversation for best in the league. Cowboys may have reclaimed the title of #1 OL, or the Colts have taken it now.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:19 am

Servo wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:37 am Let's be honest, no one other than Jacobs has looked good with regards to Rookie RB's.

Everyone else has shown flashes but nothing to inspire great confidence moving forward. So if the argument is, "Should I have taken Sanders over XYZ RB?" No one knows at this point.

If it's "Should I have taken Sanders over AJB, Metcalf, etc.", then today, that's leaning slightly in the WR favor.
Purely from a fantasy perspective you're right on the rookie RBs and Jacobs really being the only guy, but Mattison has played very well in Minnesota he's just stuck behind Dalvin.

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Orenthal Shames » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:07 pm

Today is why. Insane athlete.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Phaded » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:07 pm

Reminds me of Jerick McKinnon..

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Orenthal Shames » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:43 pm

Phaded wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:07 pm Reminds me of Jerick McKinnon..
Fitting bc now he's hurt :clap:
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby AussieMate » Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:45 pm

What was his ppt?

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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Orenthal Shames » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:03 am

Per Bobby Koch:

Miles Sanders is now one of 29 RBs over the last ten seasons to have 600 or more YFS in their first nine career games (not games played). On that list he has the 2nd least amount of touches (3rd least Alvin Kamara has 8 more) while having the 24th most YFS. Showing extreme efficiency.
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Re: Why is the majority so high on Miles Sanders???

Postby Ice » Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:22 pm

Orenthal Shames wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:03 am Per Bobby Koch:

Miles Sanders is now one of 29 RBs over the last ten seasons to have 600 or more YFS in their first nine career games (not games played). On that list he has the 2nd least amount of touches (3rd least Alvin Kamara has 8 more) while having the 24th most YFS. Showing extreme efficiency.
He is a strong buy IMO. Like his development just fine.

Still have him as the 2nd best RB in this past draft after Jacobs.
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