Rookie drafts - tiers

[trc]

One of my favorite things about rookie drafts is preparing my draft board.
At first I don't work with rankings but rather tiers.

As this draft was kinda meh to the dynasty community, the tiers also got a bit more difficult to set.

So - how is you tiers in the 1st round (12team, 1QB, ppr)?

Mine is, for now, like this:
1.01 - 1.02
1.03 - 1.09
1.09 - 1.12

I think this group is one big cluster, and you could argue the picks from 1.03-1.12 is the same...

[Titans95]

I'd argue that Jacobs is in a tier with himself

Then I'd stay Sanders/Montgomery/Harry/Samuel are in the next tier

Then Hockenson and the rest of the receivers in the next

[Jason3123]

Tier 1:
Harry
Jacobs

Tier 2:
Sanders
Montgomery
AJ Brown
Fant

Tier 3:
TJ Hockenson
DK Metcalf
JJAW
Andy Isabella

Tier 4:
Kyler Murray
Deebo
Marquise
Irv Smith
Parris

[Vcize]

I am not a fan of the strategy of just throwing guys into tiers, being done with it, and trading down and letting someone else make the decision for you. I know that this is just your first pass, but a lot of people do it as their final move and give advice to do as much all over the board.

The reality is even if you have guys in the same tier, you like one guy better than another by some amount. Make a decision and get that guy, imo. It's not like all of the guys in the same tier are going to finish their careers with basically the same scoring. There are going to be massive differences so if you're even a little more confident in one guy than another go get him.

I remember years back when Le'Veon and Montee Ball were in the same tier. I traded an at-the-time reasonably valuable Steve Johnson to move up from 1.04 to 1.03 to grab Bell and I remember getting absolutely lambasted for giving up a strong WR2 to move up in the same "tier". It's not like being in the same tier meant Ball was going to score 98% of the career points as Bell. Obviously they ended up going in completely opposite directions.

We often make fun of our wives for the whole "What do you want for dinner? I dunno, what do you want I'm fine with anything" meme. Then so many here turn around and go "who do you want at 1.03? I dunno, who do you want there I'm fine with whatever is left".

Man up and make a decision people!

[ArrylT]

Man up and make a decision people!

Challenge accepted!

Ravioli
Hamburgers
Pizza
Spaghetti

In that order.

[jordanzs]

Hahahaha I remember years back when Le'Veon and Montee Ball were in the same tier. I traded an at-the-time reasonably valuable Steve Johnson to move up from 1.04 to 1.03 to grab Bell and I remember getting absolutely lambasted for giving up a strong WR2 to move up in the same "tier". It's not like being in the same tier meant Ball was going to score 98% of the career points as Bell.

Tier 1 was 7 players deep that year:

Gio, Lacy, Ball, Bell, tavon, corderrele, Hopkins. Lol

I also remember a draft tier 1 that included Amari, Kevin White, and Melvin Gordon.

And another tier that included Derek Henry, Treadwell, Doctson, and Corey Coleman. With Michael Thomas and Sheppard in a tier right behind them, but you looked like a guppy if you took Thomas before any of those guys.

This happens every year. The names change but the pattern remains.

Good times!!!!

I don’t mind trading back though in tiers as IF you have the right trade partner, you can pick up extra capital while sometimes saving yourself from the wrong dice roll. I traded back once and ended up with Hopkins at the end of that tier. If I stayed at my pick, it would’ve been corderrele for sure. And after his rookie year i would’ve been stoked. Anything can happen. But I won’t stall drafts looking for tradebacks which some people do

[Ice]

Man up and make a decision people!

Challenge accepted!

Ravioli
Hamburgers
Pizza
Spaghetti

In that order.

This is OUTLANDISH!
Everyone knows it's:

Pizza
Hamburgers
Spaghetti
Ravioli

[Pullo Vision]

Man up and make a decision people!

Challenge accepted!

Ravioli
Hamburgers
Pizza
Spaghetti

In that order.

Ahem! Respect the thread title!

Ravioli
Spaghetti
-tier break-
Meatloaf
Sloppy Joe
-tier break-
Hamburger
Pizza

[ArrylT]

One of my favorite things about rookie drafts is preparing my draft board.
At first I don't work with rankings but rather tiers.

As this draft was kinda meh to the dynasty community, the tiers also got a bit more difficult to set.

So - how is you tiers in the 1st round (12team, 1QB, ppr)?

Mine is, for now, like this:
1.01 - 1.02
1.03 - 1.09
1.09 - 1.12

I think this group is one big cluster, and you could argue the picks from 1.03-1.12 is the same...

Sorry I couldnt resist VCizes post.

In answer to your question I think we all do this to some extent or another, whether using rankings or tiers or a combination of both. I also think how you tier this year is going to depend on how you see the players and how you see the landing spots.

[trc]

I am not a fan of the strategy of just throwing guys into tiers, being done with it, and trading down and letting someone else make the decision for you. I know that this is just your first pass, but a lot of people do it as their final move and give advice to do as much all over the board.

The reality is even if you have guys in the same tier, you like one guy better than another by some amount. Make a decision and get that guy, imo. It's not like all of the guys in the same tier are going to finish their careers with basically the same scoring. There are going to be massive differences so if you're even a little more confident in one guy than another go get him.

I remember years back when Le'Veon and Montee Ball were in the same tier. I traded an at-the-time reasonably valuable Steve Johnson to move up from 1.04 to 1.03 to grab Bell and I remember getting absolutely lambasted for giving up a strong WR2 to move up in the same "tier". It's not like being in the same tier meant Ball was going to score 98% of the career points as Bell. Obviously they ended up going in completely opposite directions.

We often make fun of our wives for the whole "What do you want for dinner? I dunno, what do you want I'm fine with anything" meme. Then so many here turn around and go "who do you want at 1.03? I dunno, who do you want there I'm fine with whatever is left".

Man up and make a decision people!

I'm simply not going to put them in tiers and then roll the dice. But starting with tiers helps me in the proces of choosing my favorites.
I can see that my initial post seems a tad lazy, to my defence I was cornered by the home president

I just can't figure out this draft class - It's all over the place, and all the fragmented discussions are pointing i very different directions. Except for Jacobs and Harry at top.

Simply looking for perspectives/help, but it could end up being more confusing.

[IR1]

Man up and make a decision people!

Challenge accepted!

Ravioli
Hamburgers
Pizza
Spaghetti

In that order.

Ahem! Respect the thread title!

Ravioli
Spaghetti
-tier break-
Meatloaf
Sloppy Joe
-tier break-
Hamburger
Pizza

Can we clarify what type of ravioli? Toasted is an easy 1st for me

[Life of Pablo]

I remember years back when Le'Veon and Montee Ball were in the same tier. I traded an at-the-time reasonably valuable Steve Johnson to move up from 1.04 to 1.03 to grab Bell and I remember getting absolutely lambasted for giving up a strong WR2 to move up in the same "tier". It's not like being in the same tier meant Ball was going to score 98% of the career points as Bell. Obviously they ended up going in completely opposite directions.

While I agree with this line of thinking in theory, the critical flaw when actually applying it is that for every person that preferred Le'Veon > Montee, there's another guy who thought the opposite. What if you gave up value in order to secure Montee instead? This line of thinking really only works if you put a lot of trust in your own evaluations. A lot of people will eventually end up developing their own draft strategy/philosophy based heavily on their own anecdotal successes or failures. Reality is that it's incredibly hard for us to accurately predict how things will play out, so tiers help to mitigate our risk on those coin-flip decisions and maximize perceived value when the opportunity presents itself. I would argue that if you traded up to take Le'Veon over Montee, then you really never had those two in the same tier in the first place, even if the dynasty community at-large did.

But yes, you should get "your" guy if you feel strongly enough about them. It's much easier to live with a wrong decision when it's a guy that you believed in, rather than it just happened to be the guy to fell into your lap. I traded up to get "my" guy Foreman over Kamara, which stung, but it didn't stop me two years later from trading up again to get Chubb over RoJo.

[Krypto_King]

I am not a fan of the strategy of just throwing guys into tiers, being done with it, and trading down and letting someone else make the decision for you. I know that this is just your first pass, but a lot of people do it as their final move and give advice to do as much all over the board.

The reality is even if you have guys in the same tier, you like one guy better than another by some amount. Make a decision and get that guy, imo. It's not like all of the guys in the same tier are going to finish their careers with basically the same scoring. There are going to be massive differences so if you're even a little more confident in one guy than another go get him.

I remember years back when Le'Veon and Montee Ball were in the same tier. I traded an at-the-time reasonably valuable Steve Johnson to move up from 1.04 to 1.03 to grab Bell and I remember getting absolutely lambasted for giving up a strong WR2 to move up in the same "tier". It's not like being in the same tier meant Ball was going to score 98% of the career points as Bell. Obviously they ended up going in completely opposite directions.

We often make fun of our wives for the whole "What do you want for dinner? I dunno, what do you want I'm fine with anything" meme. Then so many here turn around and go "who do you want at 1.03? I dunno, who do you want there I'm fine with whatever is left".

Man up and make a decision people!

this is a bit weird. obviously you did not have Ball and Bell in the same tier so not sure what you're even saying

[M-Dub]

Tier 1:
Jacobs, Harry

Tier 2:
Campbell, Sanders, AJB, Deebo, DK

Tier 3:
Isabella, Montgomery, JJAWS

Tier 4:
Murray, Hock, Fant, Hollywood, Hardman

[Hottoddies]

Tier 1:
Jacobs, Harry

Tier 2:
Campbell, Sanders, AJB, Deebo, DK

Tier 3:
Isabella, Montgomery, JJAWS

Tier 4:
Murray, Hock, Fant, Hollywood, Hardman

I could get on board with this breakdown. The only thing I would change is moving Fant into that 3rd tier.