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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby Friction » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:36 am

He is a guy I might throw in a DFS lineup and hope he hits due to his low percentage of lineups he will be in, but that is about it. Guessing the weeks he goes off is a tough challenge and I usually have the worst luck with that. That, and guessing when to start the scat backs like Sproles and Riddick in a flex spot with bye weeks/injury crunches. I always start them when they produce 2 carries for -1 yards, 1 catch for 14 yards 0 tds.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby DelawareRiverEagles » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:27 am

Lord_Varys wrote:
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remedy29 wrote:
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I fully expect Moncrief to return low end WR2 to WR3 value. Not sure why there would be any doubt.
He has the talent and situation to easily be fantasy relevant.
All that talent has had him peak at 64 for 773 and 6 TDs in 16 games his sophomore year with Andrew Luck. Are we sure his talent is low-end WR2? There's a lotta good WRs out there.

His situation is one where he's competing with 2 young WRs that Pittsburgh spent 2nd round picks on. Good QB and opportunity perhaps... but not exactly loads of targets available for him.
So when we say WR2, what standard are we using? Like how big is the league? Moncrief is probably WR3, but if it's a deep league, then maybe WR2, but let's see how things shake out. This is all hype right now.

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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby Johnny Canuck » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:36 am

IZigUZag wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:25 pm
Possibly, but the guy couldn't get going with Andrew Luck as his QB. He's one hell of an athlete.. but how much does that actually matter for a receiver? I believe he has had more problems than just bad QB play up this point.
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All that talent has had him peak at 64 for 773 and 6 TDs in 16 games his sophomore year with Andrew Luck. Are we sure his talent is low-end WR2? There's a lotta good WRs out there.

His situation is one where he's competing with 2 young WRs that Pittsburgh spent 2nd round picks on. Good QB and opportunity perhaps... but not exactly loads of targets available for him.
These things aren't exactly true.

Moncrief hasn't exactly had the version of Luck we all know, or a very common start to his career.

2014: he was a rookie, and put up okay numbers for a rook. Esp considering he was the WR3, as Reggie Wayne was still serviceable at this point.

2015: during his "peak", Luck only played 7 games. In those 7 games, Moncrief was pacing for 73 catches/800 yards/11 TDs. That would of been about 219 ppr pts, and ranked at WR19 this yr (just behind Lockett, OBJ, and Cooper). Similar to Davante Adams 3rd and 4th yr seasons.

2016: was marred by injury and he only played 9 games. His play dropped off, he was always on/off the injury report, and his pace that season dropped for yardage but still would of been great for TDs. 53 catches/546 yards/12 TDs. Still would of been at a 179.2 ppr pts, and ranked at WR 30 this yr. (similar to Mike Williams sophomore season in 2018). *It should also be noted, that Luck was playing injured all yr in 2016 as well.

2017: Luck sat out, and Moncrief played 12 games with Jacoby Brissett. It was a down yr for every colt, including making ppl think TY was done.

2018: Another yr on the QB struggle bus with Bortles and co. The Jags were a tire fire last yr, so expecting big numbers would of been a bit much.

2019: Now he's paired with Big Ben, and they have 208 vacated targets between Brown and Jesse James going. His competition are two recent 2nd rounders, one in Washington who was highly touted, but also had one of the lowest pff scores for a rookie WR ever, and one who was a somewhat unheralded rookie at the draft.

The steelers have maintained one of the highest WR2 market shares in the NFL, and that's not just from Juju, that's historically. Obvs we don't know who is going to win that WR gig, but whoever does is primed for a breakout season. Based on the recent reports I'd put money on Moncrief or Johnson, but who knows, maybe Washington makes a surge in training camp. Either way, Moncrief is by far the cheapest ticket to this lottery, and has at least an equal chance of winning the role.

I wouldn't count him out for "not producing with Luck," he was decent with Luck when both were healthy, they just both had weird injury circumstances overlap their shared time in Indy.

Whomever wins that WR2 role in Pitt will very likely put up WR2 or WR3 numbers.

*Here's those Pitt WR share numbers if you're interested.
https://www.thefantasyfootballers.com/a ... -for-2019/
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby azthecrow » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:08 am

^ Good post, Johnny. Thanks

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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby ArrylT » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:01 pm

Lord_Varys wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:26 am
remedy29 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:14 pm
I fully expect Moncrief to return low end WR2 t3o WR3 value. Not sure why there would be any doubt.
He has the talent and situation to easily be fantasy relevant.
All that talent has had him peak at 64 for 773 and 6 TDs in 16 games his sophomore year with Andrew Luck. Are we sure his talent is low-end WR2? There's a lotta good WRs out there.

His situation is one where he's competing with 2 young WRs that Pittsburgh spent 2nd round picks on. Good QB and opportunity perhaps... but not exactly loads of targets available for him.
That 2015 season Luck only played half the year - Matt Hasselbeck played the other half of the year. As a sophomore season it might not have been that impressive but it was still pretty decent and that suggested he was on the right track at the time - his 2016 off-season ADP was in the 3rd round as a result.

The next 2 years, full of injuries, not taking the next step forward in his hoped for development & other issues (like Luck missing all of 2017) is what derailed him from that hoped for WR1 career. I think we can all agree that is all in the past. I still think he has enough talent & a good enough situation to churn out a couple of WR2/3 type seasons, which are achievable with 100-120 targets, but this season will definitely be pivotal in that regards. If one or both of James Washington and Diontae Johnson can pass him on the depth chart then he'll be more of a WR4/5 but so far the signs seem positive he can be WR2 for the Steelers.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:26 am

Supposedly Ben has been signing his praises without being asked about him. Going out of his way to mention him.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby ninotoreS » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:15 am

Mark Kaboly of The Athletic reports Moncrief is "a slam dunk" for the no. 2 job.

I'd link the article, but Athletic has a paywall. Athletic's writers are usually pretty good. FWIW Kaboly's opinion is derived from watching OTAs/minicamp.

Also...

https://steelersdepot.com/2019/06/wr-di ... r-of-otas/

Enter another challenger for slot snaps. Spencer could push Rogers and/or Switzer off the 53.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby Ice » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:47 pm

Moncrief’s NFL game speed has been consistently slow. Looks mechanical out there.

He could be okay in a new environment but not a player I will target.

Probably a hold to those that own him.

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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby IZigUZag » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:53 pm

Johnny Canuck wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:36 am
IZigUZag wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:25 pm
Possibly, but the guy couldn't get going with Andrew Luck as his QB. He's one hell of an athlete.. but how much does that actually matter for a receiver? I believe he has had more problems than just bad QB play up this point.
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:26 am
All that talent has had him peak at 64 for 773 and 6 TDs in 16 games his sophomore year with Andrew Luck. Are we sure his talent is low-end WR2? There's a lotta good WRs out there.

His situation is one where he's competing with 2 young WRs that Pittsburgh spent 2nd round picks on. Good QB and opportunity perhaps... but not exactly loads of targets available for him.
These things aren't exactly true.

Moncrief hasn't exactly had the version of Luck we all know, or a very common start to his career.

2014: he was a rookie, and put up okay numbers for a rook. Esp considering he was the WR3, as Reggie Wayne was still serviceable at this point.

2015: during his "peak", Luck only played 7 games. In those 7 games, Moncrief was pacing for 73 catches/800 yards/11 TDs. That would of been about 219 ppr pts, and ranked at WR19 this yr (just behind Lockett, OBJ, and Cooper). Similar to Davante Adams 3rd and 4th yr seasons.

2016: was marred by injury and he only played 9 games. His play dropped off, he was always on/off the injury report, and his pace that season dropped for yardage but still would of been great for TDs. 53 catches/546 yards/12 TDs. Still would of been at a 179.2 ppr pts, and ranked at WR 30 this yr. (similar to Mike Williams sophomore season in 2018). *It should also be noted, that Luck was playing injured all yr in 2016 as well.

2017: Luck sat out, and Moncrief played 12 games with Jacoby Brissett. It was a down yr for every colt, including making ppl think TY was done.

2018: Another yr on the QB struggle bus with Bortles and co. The Jags were a tire fire last yr, so expecting big numbers would of been a bit much.

2019: Now he's paired with Big Ben, and they have 208 vacated targets between Brown and Jesse James going. His competition are two recent 2nd rounders, one in Washington who was highly touted, but also had one of the lowest pff scores for a rookie WR ever, and one who was a somewhat unheralded rookie at the draft.

The steelers have maintained one of the highest WR2 market shares in the NFL, and that's not just from Juju, that's historically. Obvs we don't know who is going to win that WR gig, but whoever does is primed for a breakout season. Based on the recent reports I'd put money on Moncrief or Johnson, but who knows, maybe Washington makes a surge in training camp. Either way, Moncrief is by far the cheapest ticket to this lottery, and has at least an equal chance of winning the role.

I wouldn't count him out for "not producing with Luck," he was decent with Luck when both were healthy, they just both had weird injury circumstances overlap their shared time in Indy.

Whomever wins that WR2 role in Pitt will very likely put up WR2 or WR3 numbers.

*Here's those Pitt WR share numbers if you're interested.
https://www.thefantasyfootballers.com/a ... -for-2019/
I wouldn't say anyone who should be trusted thought TY was done when he played with Jacoby. He still posted almost 1,000 yards receiving with a backup QB. In 2017, it's far more likely that Moncrief was simply squeezed out because he wasn't anywhere close to as good as TY Hilton as a receiver, and like many bad QBs do, they don't often get past the 1st read/Checkdown.

Pit has also done a fantastic job drafting and developing talent at the receiver position. The reason they've historically favored the WR2 postion might have something to do with the very talented WR2 that occupied it: Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, Juju Smith-schuster. At one point their WR3 was Emmanual Sanders.... man, is Big Ben one lucky MF'er to have that kind of receiving talent to throw to year after year-- It's a lot less profitable when that seat is occupied by the Sammie Coats and the Eli Rogers of the world.

If Moncrief is worthy of targets, he'll get them. But it won't be just because he starts out as the WR2 in that offense.

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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby ninotoreS » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:21 pm

Ice wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:47 pm
Moncrief’s NFL game speed has been consistently slow. Looks mechanical out there.
No, it hasn't, and no, he doesn't.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby Ice » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:17 am

ninotoreS wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:21 pm
Ice wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:47 pm
Moncrief’s NFL game speed has been consistently slow. Looks mechanical out there.
No, it hasn't, and no, he doesn't.
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At some point owners might want to consider that he just isn't very good so blaming everything under the sun but him might not be a very valid argument.

Moncrief is a marginal deep threat only. Struggles against press corners and lacks the quickness to play in the slot when asked. He will be lucky to be the WR3 on his team.

He does have good straight line speed in shorts.

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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby remedy29 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:17 am

Certainly good vibes on Moncrief so far;

https://www-behindthesteelcurtain-com.c ... n-nfl-news

I like that Ice posted "The stud that is Moncrief." Will be fun to reference that during the season.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby gmoftheyear » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:44 pm

I've always liked Moncrief despite the injuries. He is a good red zone option even with the limited catches he has gotten some years. I feel Big Ben will use Moncrief to his full potential and Donte could be a 8 to 10 touchdown guy that you can draft late in your drafts.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby ninotoreS » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:49 pm

The buzz continues to favor Moncrief. Safest bet at this point in time to be Pitt's #2.

But I think preseason action in the 1st and 2nd quarter of those games looms large. I don't struggle to imagine Diontae or Washington swooping late to take the job, provided Moncrief fails to sufficiently stake his claim with those snaps.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby clarion contrarion » Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:15 am

late to this party but I added him to several teams as soon as he signed for cheap as the jury is mostly in it seems but I feel like he will be a solid bye week injury depth guy anon my teams which nearly all are contenders . The DLF EARLY BIRD LEAGUE EXPERIMENT being a notable exception; that league will be hard on my ego but I wanted a train wreck to fix so I built one from scratch.
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