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Donte Moncrief.

Postby ninotoreS » Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:17 pm

With Pittsburgh going for an apparent slot receiver in the 3rd round, do we actually entertain the hope Moncrief is set for a 6th year breakout?

- I don't think Diontae Johnson is bad at all (actually one of my sleepers in this class), but he seems like a strange choice for a team that needs more help on the outside than inside. I can't envision Johnson taking the slot from JuJu in 3-wide sets. JuJu's too good there.

- James Washington flashed last year with a few impressive catches deep (as he'll do), but he graded very poorly doing practically everything else.

- Ben threw a whopping 675 times last year. Between Moncrief, the slot rookie, and Washington, it seems safe to predict someone's gonna break out with WR3 fantasy numbers, with upside for WR2 numbers. Despite Moncrief disappointing us for years, is he not the most rational candidate at this point in time?
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby ArrylT » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:11 pm

Moncrief, at least imo, quietly had a solid NFL year (not fantasy) in a pretty awful situation last year. Nothing is set in stone but Moncrief is not even 26 yet, and so long as he can build a rapport with Big Ben, and prove he is trustyworthy of a role, I think WR2-3 is a possibility for sure.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby lukkynumber13 » Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:03 pm

I’d take Moncrief above all other pass catchers from Pittsburgh in a 2019 redraft league. JuJu aside, of course.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby Doc61199 » Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:33 pm

What about Eli Rogers? Dude was pretty legit before his ACL. He had a pretty strong showing im expecting him to fill a role
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TE: Eifert, Ebron,
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby ninotoreS » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:28 pm

Doc61199 wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:33 pm
What about Eli Rogers? Dude was pretty legit before his ACL. He had a pretty strong showing im expecting him to fill a role
He is extremely slot-only. Virtually no chance to start in 2-wide, and little chance to bump JuJu out of the slot in 3-wide, considering he already lost that job to JuJu when the latter was a rookie. I think Eli at best can be the chart's #4 option.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby Flgatorguy87 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:56 pm

I am starting to feel similar optimism for Moncrief. He fits that role really well. I am thinking he will be a nice depth/bye week starter.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby Lord_Varys » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:11 pm

lukkynumber13 wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:03 pm
I’d take Moncrief above all other pass catchers from Pittsburgh in a 2019 redraft league. JuJu aside, of course.
Him and Washington don't eat into each other as the deep threat? Would be interested to hear more of your thoughts.

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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby ninotoreS » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:59 pm

I know you didn't ask me, but:

Although I suspect Washington might be better than Moncrief at the third-level (especially when contested), after reviewing the tape I have, Moncrief is a much better receiver at the first and second level; Moncrief's route-tree is nearly complete, whereas Washington is still learning how to do the things Okie State didn't care about him doing. For example, I noted Washington has a lot of trouble sinking his hips into his intermediate route breaks (he's a high-cut long-strider, makes it hard for him), and he's just not a 'sudden' mover for the first level.

Moncrief may not be Washington's equal in an exclusively third-level aspect, but he's not bad himself there (it's easily what he did best coming out of Ole Miss), and he's better at everything else, according to Washington's rookie tape. For sure the vertical element of the outside WRs is very important for Pittsburgh, but they don't just have them running go and post exclusively.

While I think Washington has a pretty good chance to beat Diontae for the no. 3 spot on the chart in '19 (although I won't plant that flag), I feel like the no. 2 spot for immediate '19 contribution requires a three-level guy (which is what A. Brown was, ofc), and right now that points to Moncrief.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby Flgatorguy87 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:03 pm

What are his realistic numbers for upside?

70/900/7?
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby FantasyDumDum » Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:13 pm

I don’t see Moncrief’s upside being high enough to be a startable option in virtually any format. Whereas the riskier high upside plays in Washington and D Johnson make much more sense. You don’t want any of these guys for their floor, so why go Moncrief when he is the most mediocre of them all from a talent and technically from a draft capital stand point?
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby CGW » Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:40 pm

Give me Juju, Washington, and whoever they drafted. Moncrief can continue to float around from offense to offense being an afterthought. He's worth an end of the bench flier I suppose.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby Phaded » Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:42 pm

I see him more in the Martavis Bryant type role.

aka - unreliable, with the odd good game here or there where he probably won't even be in your lineup anyhow.
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby pvillebiker » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:00 pm

Interestingly enough, I'm faced with a cut 1 of either Moncrief or Jamison Crowder this offseason. I have a little time, but was leaning towards keeping Crowder. Now not so sure. If Moncrief clicks with Ben, he could be a nice asset for a few years.

How would you value Moncrief in '19 rookie draft picks?

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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby lukkynumber13 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:27 pm

pvillebiker wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:00 pm
Interestingly enough, I'm faced with a cut 1 of either Moncrief or Jamison Crowder this offseason. I have a little time, but was leaning towards keeping Crowder. Now not so sure. If Moncrief clicks with Ben, he could be a nice asset for a few years.

How would you value Moncrief in '19 rookie draft picks?
Early 3rd probably

Maybe just send a message to the league saying "I have to cut a guy, so send offers for either Moncrief or Crowder. Highest bidder gets him, and won't have to gamble on waivers"
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Re: Donte Moncrief.

Postby ArrylT » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:40 pm

pvillebiker wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:00 pm
Interestingly enough, I'm faced with a cut 1 of either Moncrief or Jamison Crowder this offseason. I have a little time, but was leaning towards keeping Crowder. Now not so sure. If Moncrief clicks with Ben, he could be a nice asset for a few years.

How would you value Moncrief in '19 rookie draft picks?
As with many things it is all about preference. I would prefer Moncrief over Crowder because

(a) better QB
(b) more volume
(c) less competition

IE
Roethlisberger > Darnold for production volume & quality
therefore Moncrief > Crowder for potential targets

Unless a rookie I like slips out of the 1st, I doubt I would part with Moncrief for a 2nd (although I have bought Moncrief with a 2nd). I am sure many owners would - but Moncrief has at least shown he can last in the NFL and has flashed production at times & earned both a 2nd & 3rd contract where he got/will get targets. While I am and always have been bullish long term about this class, Moncrief is one of those guys who could put together a very nice season (emphasis on could not will). There are plenty of WRs who took years to finally get over injuries / develop / right situation like Doug Baldwin, Robert Woods, Marvin Jones before they had a period of sustained production.
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