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It does seem like this is moving really slow compared to previous incidents. The Hunt thing unfolded within like 6 hours if I remember correctly. The AP one was a while ago but I feel like it was much bigger news and unfolded pretty fast too. This one seems to be on the back burner...so maybe there isn’t quite as much going on here.

Jason3123 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:06 am It does seem like this is moving really slow compared to previous incidents. The Hunt thing unfolded within like 6 hours if I remember correctly. The AP one was a while ago but I feel like it was much bigger news and unfolded pretty fast too. This one seems to be on the back burner...so maybe there isn’t quite as much going on here.

I think the stakes are a little different here. If he is found guilty of breaking his son's arm he will likely be losing custody at the very least and the family will essentially be dismantled. They need to be sure that this sort of thing is investigated correctly. Also with hunt there was a video so it didnt take sherlock Holmes to determine what happened

I am so confused on how a thread about Tyreek Hill possibly allegedly breaking his son's arm turned into a discussion about did Peyton Manning use PEDs

hockeyBjj wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:13 am I am so confused on how a thread about Tyreek Hill possibly allegedly breaking his son's arm turned into a discussion about did Peyton Manning use PEDs

Yeah, I try to check in to see what additional information may have been uncovered from sources I’m not looking at and I’m continually disappointed to see the irrelevance of HGH and Stem cell treatments.

M-Dub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:07 am

Vcize wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:08 pm

M-Dub wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:06 pm

If you don’t personally want to give him the benefit of the doubt as a fantasy owner or just as a regular person discussing this case on a message board, that’s totally your prerogative. If you’re suggesting he doesn’t deserve the presumption of innocence or a fair trial from the criminal justice system simply based on his past crimes, that’s a seriously messed up thought process. Regardless, please don’t ever become a cop.

Literally no one is suggesting that.

I hope you’re right. The question above could be interpreted that way, though.

How does me giving my personal opinion on this issue turn into me condemning our laws and the court system? I did mention they are very hard to convict, because that's true but i never once said he didn't deserve to have a trial in our court system. I think he is guilty as all hell, i will say that, but im in no way suggesting we change our court laws and just condemn him to prison. Im not even sure how it got interpreted that way?

Im just really sick and tired of these guys getting chances (im talking about the NFL, not life). The NFL is a privilege its not a right, and guys that do these sorts of things do not deserve that privilege. NFl should implement a one strike and you are out policy. Get rid of this issue totally. The Hunt thread also got me fired up. Some people saying he barely kicked her etc, the facts are he could have walked away and restrained himself. Its that simple. I don't care how drunk you are. And what Hunt did doesn't seem near as bad as what Hill did and right now is accused of. Im just totally sick of this issue in the NFL (sick of it in society too of course but ill stick to the NFL just to not be misinterpreted) and i get very fired up about it. Unless the woman (and especially a child, i am not a parent and i do understand sometimes accidents happen btw so im not saying if your kids arm breaks its automatically your fault) is attacking you with a weapon of some sort you just don't hit them, you don't, its that simple.

Weknownothing86 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:46 am Im just really sick and tired of these guys getting chances (im talking about the NFL, not life). The NFL is a privilege its not a right, and guys that do these sorts of things do not deserve that privilege. NFl should implement a one strike and you are out policy. Get rid of this issue totally. The Hunt thread also got me fired up. Some people saying he barely kicked her etc, the facts are he could have walked away and restrained himself. Its that simple. I don't care how drunk you are. And what Hunt did doesn't seem near as bad as what Hill did and right now is accused of. Im just totally sick of this issue in the NFL (sick of it in society too of course but ill stick to the NFL just to not be misinterpreted) and i get very fired up about it. Unless the woman (and especially a child, i am not a parent and i do understand sometimes accidents happen btw so im not saying if your kids arm breaks its automatically your fault) is attacking you with a weapon of some sort you just don't hit them, you don't, its that simple.

You're right the NFL is a privilege for those that are freak athletes that are good enough to win games, bring in the franchise more money than their salaries dictate. I think the sooner you realize the NFL isn't some special organization for standup citizens you'll enjoy the sport a lot more. It's an escape from the real world and politics for most. Do I like what Hill did? Nope, Do I like what Hunt did? Nope, do I care if they play football? Nope. If you aren't in Jail then you are entitled to whatever job someone is willing to hire you to. If a GM thinks their revenues will increase more than they decrease due to signing a scumbag then that's their prerogative. They get paid to play football and win games, that simple.

Weknownothing86 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:46 am ...The NFL is a privilege its not a right...

The NFL is an association of businesses. Employment is (nearly) always a privilege, in any business.

Titans95 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:58 am

Weknownothing86 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:46 am Im just really sick and tired of these guys getting chances (im talking about the NFL, not life). The NFL is a privilege its not a right, and guys that do these sorts of things do not deserve that privilege. NFl should implement a one strike and you are out policy. Get rid of this issue totally. The Hunt thread also got me fired up. Some people saying he barely kicked her etc, the facts are he could have walked away and restrained himself. Its that simple. I don't care how drunk you are. And what Hunt did doesn't seem near as bad as what Hill did and right now is accused of. Im just totally sick of this issue in the NFL (sick of it in society too of course but ill stick to the NFL just to not be misinterpreted) and i get very fired up about it. Unless the woman (and especially a child, i am not a parent and i do understand sometimes accidents happen btw so im not saying if your kids arm breaks its automatically your fault) is attacking you with a weapon of some sort you just don't hit them, you don't, its that simple.

You're right the NFL is a privilege for those that are freak athletes that are good enough to win games, bring in the franchise more money than their salaries dictate. I think the sooner you realize the NFL isn't some special organization for standup citizens you'll enjoy the sport a lot more. It's an escape from the real world and politics for most. Do I like what Hill did? Nope, Do I like what Hunt did? Nope, do I care if they play football? Nope. If you aren't in Jail then you are entitled to whatever job someone is willing to hire you to. If a GM thinks their revenues will increase more than they decrease due to signing a scumbag then that's their prerogative. They get paid to play football and win games, that simple.

I understand this point, and i don't look to the NFL to be the moral police, i also don't think athletes should be looked at as role models. However to me this kind of stuff is just too much, id be fired from my job or not hired if i had these sorts of charges brought against me, in my mind NFL should be the same exact way. I LOVE football and enjoy the sport a lot, that's why i do get this passionate about this issue.

Weknownothing86 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:04 am

Titans95 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:58 am

Weknownothing86 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:46 am Im just really sick and tired of these guys getting chances (im talking about the NFL, not life). The NFL is a privilege its not a right, and guys that do these sorts of things do not deserve that privilege. NFl should implement a one strike and you are out policy. Get rid of this issue totally. The Hunt thread also got me fired up. Some people saying he barely kicked her etc, the facts are he could have walked away and restrained himself. Its that simple. I don't care how drunk you are. And what Hunt did doesn't seem near as bad as what Hill did and right now is accused of. Im just totally sick of this issue in the NFL (sick of it in society too of course but ill stick to the NFL just to not be misinterpreted) and i get very fired up about it. Unless the woman (and especially a child, i am not a parent and i do understand sometimes accidents happen btw so im not saying if your kids arm breaks its automatically your fault) is attacking you with a weapon of some sort you just don't hit them, you don't, its that simple.

You're right the NFL is a privilege for those that are freak athletes that are good enough to win games, bring in the franchise more money than their salaries dictate. I think the sooner you realize the NFL isn't some special organization for standup citizens you'll enjoy the sport a lot more. It's an escape from the real world and politics for most. Do I like what Hill did? Nope, Do I like what Hunt did? Nope, do I care if they play football? Nope. If you aren't in Jail then you are entitled to whatever job someone is willing to hire you to. If a GM thinks their revenues will increase more than they decrease due to signing a scumbag then that's their prerogative. They get paid to play football and win games, that simple.

I understand this point, and i don't look to the NFL to be the moral police, i also don't think athletes should be looked at as role models. However to me this kind of stuff is just too much, id be fired from my job or not hired if i had these sorts of charges brought against me, in my mind NFL should be the same exact way. I LOVE football and enjoy the sport a lot, that's why i do get this passionate about this issue.

Except you're missing a major point, likely you're extremely expendable at whatever job you work at (no offense we pretty much all are) comparatively to how much money you bring the company in/how much you'd cost them if they continued to employ you and how easy it would be to hire someone new. No name backup players in the NFL get IMMEDIATELY cut for similar issues, see Alex Collins. Guys like hunt and Hill are actually really difficult to replace from a talent standpoint as well as a ticket selling standpoint. These guys bring in Millions and millions of dollars each year for whatever franchise they play for. The NFL is a business and it will make a business decision whether to keep a player after a scandal like this but doing simple numbers. Does Tyreek Hill help us win enough games to offset any monetary or ethos losses by keeping him? If yes then we keep him, if no then we let him go. It's why the Browns scooped up Hunt, they got him for basically free and there was probably minimal monetary losses to do it and now they have a top 10 RB as a freaking backup for pennies on the dollar. If hunt helps them win even 1 playoff game then he's already paid his salary and negative PR 10x over.

I respectfully disagree. This topic gets me going so im going to bow out. Hard for me to look at this in any logical manner. But again we can all agree to disagree.

Valhalla wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:35 pm

grooner wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:13 pm

Titans95 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:36 pm

I never really understood the controversy over Peyton's recovery....if he took HGH to speed up the healing process of a serious neck injury and then was not taking them to pass proper nfl drug screening and wasn't playing while taking HGH then what's the big deal? Why is taking HGH for recovery purposes while out of the league any different than getting stem cell treatment?

I'm not saying its cool to take HGH mid season or every off season

Well he was never out of the league, so I don't really understand your point. He was released by the colts, and two weeks later signed with the Broncos.

Are you saying it is ok for athletes to take HGH to recover from injuries during the off-season?

Why not?
Why is it fine for Gurley to get stem cell treatment, yet it’s so frowned upon to take a hormone? It can easily be argued that taking a hormone is not as career enhancing/prolonging as injecting stem cells to regrow cartilage.
The big reason HGH is frowned on is because the league said no to it years ago. They didn’t say “no prolonging your career with stem cells,” so it’s fine. Prolonging with HGH is cheating.

I was just asking the question. I'm not sure why HGH is more frowned upon than stem cell treatment. It's probably the same reason weed receives such a strict punishment from the league, while domestic abuse is swept under the rug. The NFL decides something is "bad" and pushes the narrative. Randy Gregory got multiple chances, which seems insane to me.

Brady was dragged through the mud for deflating balls, which I am not sure was even an advantage, as many qbs came out and said they liked their ball over inflated and had the trainers do so (not sure this rule is needed at all). Elliot was banned 4 games for what seemed like way less than what a lot of nfl players have done.
Ray Lewis most likely murders someone, donte stallworth did, but they were allowed to play again.
I presume a lot of the NFL is in some sort of enhancing program, just not all get caught or are tested for.
My point really is that there is zero consistency when it comes to who gets in trouble and who doesn't, and it is really annoying.

grooner wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:59 am

Valhalla wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:35 pm

grooner wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:13 pm

Well he was never out of the league, so I don't really understand your point. He was released by the colts, and two weeks later signed with the Broncos.

Are you saying it is ok for athletes to take HGH to recover from injuries during the off-season?

Why not?
Why is it fine for Gurley to get stem cell treatment, yet it’s so frowned upon to take a hormone? It can easily be argued that taking a hormone is not as career enhancing/prolonging as injecting stem cells to regrow cartilage.
The big reason HGH is frowned on is because the league said no to it years ago. They didn’t say “no prolonging your career with stem cells,” so it’s fine. Prolonging with HGH is cheating.

I was just asking the question. I'm not sure why HGH is more frowned upon than stem cell treatment. It's probably the same reason weed receives such a strict punishment from the league, while domestic abuse is swept under the rug. The NFL decides something is "bad" and pushes the narrative. Randy Gregory got multiple chances, which seems insane to me.

Brady was dragged through the mud for deflating balls, which I am not sure was even an advantage, as many qbs came out and said they liked their ball over inflated and had the trainers do so (not sure this rule is needed at all). Elliot was banned 4 games for what seemed like way less than what a lot of nfl players have done.
Ray Lewis most likely murders someone, donte stallworth did, but they were allowed to play again.
I presume a lot of the NFL is in some sort of enhancing program, just not all get caught or are tested for.
My point really is that there is zero consistency when it comes to who gets in trouble and who doesn't, and it is really annoying.

Oh I completely agree. One of my good friend's brother is in the NFL and he was telling me pretty much every starter gets these pain killer injections before games, Makes sense considering all of these guys can barely walk without pain let alone play football during the season but would that not be considered a performance enhancing drug?

Steroids are bad for the body in a lot of ways.

HGH actually looks to have a lot of healing powers and is a protein based hormone that the body produces naturally. HGH and stem cells would be injected at the site in concentration to aid in the healing process.

Don't see an issue with either Stem Cell or HGH treatment. The body is just getting a targeted concentration of something the body produces naturally already.

Steroids are an entirely story story but the NFL lumped them together stupidly IMO.

All that said, trying to figure out the NFL's brand of punishment is not possible. They are lead around by the nose by the Social Justice Warriors in life.

The NFL is hardly an advocate of social justice in reality. What they do along these lines is cynically rooted in protection of brand. It makes for a culture of double-standard and faux-principles, reflected by their inconsistent enforcement of those supposed values.