The Tyreek Hill Thread

[Plank]

legit speed for sure, but another guy that is going to require manufactured touches? That never seems to work out very well..

[clarion contrarion]

While the poster who points out alex smith's failings is not wrong , andy reid could care less about smith's single handed destruction of maclin conley or kelce's fantasy value. If a guy can win you between 9-11 games every year then he will keep his job for a coach that has been fired before and is in no hurry to have that happen again. If the chiefs had a real solid young option perhaps but foles tyler bray and aaron murray are not that option. Smith will remain there as long as the chiefs stay in the 9 , 10, or 11 win area until he ages out or the chiefs go about getting a real upgrade at QB.
I think reid chooses dependibility over flash most likely and hill is a returner and a guy they may get 3 to 5 touches a week , if he can even beat out wilson . I could see mike williams (if he is even close to his early career skill level )become more of a factor as he would be more likely to earn reid & smith's trust by making contested catches and likely being a far better blocker on the outside ,IF he even makes the roster .

[Cherokee]

While the poster who points out alex smith's failings is not wrong , andy reid could care less about smith's single handed destruction of maclin conley or kelce's fantasy value. If a guy can win you between 9-11 games every year then he will keep his job for a coach that has been fired before and is in no hurry to have that happen again. If the chiefs had a real solid young option perhaps but foles tyler bray and aaron murray are not that option. Smith will remain there as long as the chiefs stay in the 9 , 10, or 11 win area until he ages out or the chiefs go about getting a real upgrade at QB.
I think reid chooses dependibility over flash most likely and hill is a returner and a guy they may get 3 to 5 touches a week , if he can even beat out wilson . I could see mike williams (if he is even close to his early career skill level )become more of a factor as he would be more likely to earn reid & smith's trust by making contested catches and likely being a far better blocker on the outside ,IF he even makes the roster .

31 wins in the past 3 years. It's a short list of QBs

[Dr.Graffin]

I think he's looked pretty good so far. That game with the PS circle juke move against the Jets. He's noticeably faster than other players on the field. Too bad he's on the Chiefs though as there doesn't seem to be much room for another relevant fantasy scoring player, especially at WR.

[ConnSKINS26]

I think he's looked pretty good so far. That game with the PS circle juke move against the Jets. He's noticeably faster than other players on the field. Too bad he's on the Chiefs though as there doesn't seem to be much room for another relevant fantasy scoring player, especially at WR.

Maybe, but The Chiefs under Dorsey have proven to be almost obsessed with having this type of explosive gadget player. In 2010, they used a 2nd rounder to overdraft Dexter McCluster. In 2014, they used a 4th to take a shot on an insane college playmaker in De'Anthony Thomas, whose size and NFL speed were huge question marks. Just now in 2016, they used another 4th rounder to draft Tyreek Hill--a raw athletic freak who didn't have near the production of the previous two but is arguably a much better athlete with a much higher ceiling than either. It was also a risky pick when you take into consideration that he had big character red flags coming out, so they put a lot of faith in his ability, drafting him this high. Honestly despite his athleticism most expected him to go completely undrafted due to his issues, and to be a return specialist at best with his raw speed. For him to be this involved this early is a HUGE statement, both about his maturity level and the team's trust in him. Never mind the fact that his skill-set seems to be translating at least on some level

Back to my original point, its obvious that this FO is very consistently concerned with having this element to their offense...after three years on the job, if Reid had no use for it, you'd think they'd have put their heads together and stopped wasting fairly valuable draft picks on filling this one role on the roster.

As it stands, while there are a few mouths to feed in this offense already, you could also argue that there's not an offense in the NFL that's more prepared to, or invested in, utilizing and forcing the ball to this type of player--and Hill is looking like a gem so far, with his explosiveness, versatility, and slowly increasing role in the offense as such a young player.

Seems like a definite hold, to me.

[Dr.Graffin]

I think he's looked pretty good so far. That game with the PS circle juke move against the Jets. He's noticeably faster than other players on the field. Too bad he's on the Chiefs though as there doesn't seem to be much room for another relevant fantasy scoring player, especially at WR.

Maybe, but The Chiefs under Dorsey have proven to be almost obsessed with having this type of explosive gadget player. In 2010, they used a 2nd rounder to overdraft Dexter McCluster. In 2014, they used a 4th to take a shot on an insane college playmaker in De'Anthony Thomas, whose size and NFL speed were huge question marks. Just now in 2016, they used another 4th rounder to draft Tyreek Hill--a raw athletic freak who didn't have near the production of the previous two but is arguably a much better athlete with a much higher ceiling than either. It was also a risky pick when you take into consideration that he had big character red flags coming out, so they put a lot of faith in his ability, drafting him this high. Honestly despite his athleticism most expected him to go completely undrafted due to his issues, and to be a return specialist at best with his raw speed. For him to be this involved this early is a HUGE statement, both about his maturity level and the team's trust in him. Never mind the fact that his skill-set seems to be translating at least on some level

Back to my original point, its obvious that this FO is very consistently concerned with having this element to their offense...after three years on the job, if Reid had no use for it, you'd think they'd have put their heads together and stopped wasting fairly valuable draft picks on filling this one role on the roster.

As it stands, while there are a few mouths to feed in this offense already, you could also argue that there's not an offense in the NFL that's more prepared to, or invested in, utilizing and forcing the ball to this type of player--and Hill is looking like a gem so far, with his explosiveness, versatility, and slowly increasing role in the offense as such a young player.

Seems like a definite hold, to me.

All great points!!! I'm even more excited for his potential now. He is definitely explosive. Gives me some reason to watch Chiefs games..

[Flschbrger]

Scored a garbage time tuddy today. We will take it!

[BuckeyeNation]

I've been pretty impressed with him as an NFL player, I'm just having a hard time seeing how he becomes fantasy relevant. The Chiefs already have a hard enough time keeping Maclin/Kelce weekly fantasy starters and once you factor in Conley I just don't see there being the volume for Hill to become fantasy relevant soon.

[jcc6fd]

I've been pretty impressed with him as an NFL player, I'm just having a hard time seeing how he becomes fantasy relevant. The Chiefs already have a hard enough time keeping Maclin/Kelce weekly fantasy starters and once you factor in Conley I just don't see there being the volume for Hill to become fantasy relevant soon.

He's turning into a standout special teamer and will get a 0-3 offensive touches. In leagues that give return yardage he could have low end flex appeal. He's had 2 TD's called back for blocks that didn't factor into the result.

If you want a piece of the KC offense for free (and you probably shouldn't) I'd be picking up Conley and hoping he takes steps forward instead of Hill.

[thebeast]

^ I think Hill is a good stash and a player to keep a watch on. He's a rookie, but his usage is going up. His targets are 1, 2, 4, 7 (catches are 1, 2, 3, 5 - pretty efficient), Conley looks like a good player to watch too, but his targets seems to be consistent.

[dipANDglide]

Been holding since week 1 and am very excited about him. If he's still on your WW make sure to grab him now.

[coldfusion167]

Putting up some nice yardage this week. 94 yards on 4 receptions with 1 TD. Had a big 49 yd play. He's a quick receiver, that's for sure. He has over 25 pts in my league right now.

[Cameron Giles]

He was a highly sought-after JC transfer a few years ago. OSU used him as a gadget guy and his speed was always really transparent.

He still seems really raw as a WR, but with his speed he can easily run fly routes all day. It's tough to predict how WR's are going to be used long-term in KC, but it's possible that Andy Reid might use him as a very lite version of DeSean Jackson, who he coached for years. KC badly needs a deep threat, and HIll seems to provide that right now. I'm not sure what the upside is for that role though or the consistency. But if he makes strides learning the position, then he could be an interesting flyer. I just have a hard time projecting anyone in that offense who isn't the RB, Kelce or Maclin unless their talent is harder to ignore.

[jr00027]

I had to start him this week due to injuries and bye weeks. Thank you 19 points!! League rewards return yards. Pretty much got me the win.

[BuckeyeNation]

Didn't watch any of the Chiefs game, but I thought I recalled seeing Hill's stats coincide with the time that Foles was under center. Can anyone confirm or deny this? We all know about the connection that usually forms between backup QBs and second team WRs.