Let's talk... Hakeem Butler

[Shoreline Steamers]

I gave up.

Cut by the team that drafted him after one lost season and a "chance for redemption" training camp. Arizona obviously wasn't seeing it, didn't sign him to their practice squad, and nobody else has added him either to this point. That pretty much tells me all I need to know, which is even if he does get another shot, he's like just another depth body. Nothing special.

[I-ROK]

After their final college season.

I don't pay attention to him enough to know, but it'd be interesting if that ranking was right after the college season in January, right before the NFL draft, or some point in between during those months of film study.

Butler was Waldmans #1 after the college season and before the NFL draft. Even Waldman took notice when Butler fell to the 4th round in the NFL draft.

To add, Butler was Waldman’s “highest rated WR EVER”

Mims was his wr2. Cephus ahead of Higgins. Those are the only pieces I have at the moment.

[FantasyFreak]

I don't pay attention to him enough to know, but it'd be interesting if that ranking was right after the college season in January, right before the NFL draft, or some point in between during those months of film study.

Butler was Waldmans #1 after the college season and before the NFL draft. Even Waldman took notice when Butler fell to the 4th round in the NFL draft.

To add, Butler was Waldman’s “highest rated WR EVER”

Mims was his wr2

This year. The fact Waldman missed on Butler, isn't an indictment of Mims, though. Waldman has also been right on a lot of players.

[I-ROK]

Butler was Waldmans #1 after the college season and before the NFL draft. Even Waldman took notice when Butler fell to the 4th round in the NFL draft.

To add, Butler was Waldman’s “highest rated WR EVER”

Mims was his wr2

This year. The fact Waldman missed on Mims, isn't an indictment of Mims, though. Waldman has also been right on a lot of players.

He hasn’t missed on Mims... yet. Sure he hits as much as anyone else does. I trust my own process better so I don’t pay the absurd price for the rsp.
If you listen to Waldman you own a lot of Josh Reynolds, Dante Pettis, and Hakeem Butler. That’s about all you need to know

Lamb was his #1 this year

[FantasyFreak]

To add, Butler was Waldman’s “highest rated WR EVER”

Mims was his wr2

This year. The fact Waldman missed on Mims, isn't an indictment of Mims, though. Waldman has also been right on a lot of players.

He hasn’t missed on Mims... yet. Sure he hits as much as anyone else does. I trust my own process better so I don’t pay the absurd price for the rsp.
If you listen to Waldman you own a lot of Josh Reynolds, Dante Pettis, and Hakeem Butler. That’s about all you need to know

Lamb was his #1 this year

I meant Butler, my bad I also don't run in absolutes. I listen to Waldman, but I didn't like any of those guys. I do like Mims, though. His metrics profile is very strong, plus other guys like Brett Kollmann who I really like, are big on him. I liked Mims, the metrics liked him, and a few film guys I like (not Waldman) also did. I do like Waldman, but not for his rankings.

[lukkynumber13]

I don't pay attention to him enough to know, but it'd be interesting if that ranking was right after the college season in January, right before the NFL draft, or some point in between during those months of film study.

Butler was Waldmans #1 after the college season and before the NFL draft. Even Waldman took notice when Butler fell to the 4th round in the NFL draft.

To add, Butler was Waldman’s “highest rated WR EVER”

Mims was his wr2. Cephus ahead of Higgins. Those are the only pieces I have at the moment.

Reynolds was his WR1 in that class... yikers

To be clear, I respect Waldman a lot - but that is a tough list of WRs to be crazy high on in just the last 3 years.

[Sriracha]

Butler was Waldmans #1 after the college season and before the NFL draft. Even Waldman took notice when Butler fell to the 4th round in the NFL draft.

To add, Butler was Waldman’s “highest rated WR EVER”

Mims was his wr2. Cephus ahead of Higgins. Those are the only pieces I have at the moment.

Reynolds was his WR1 in that class... yikers

To be clear, I respect Waldman a lot - but that is a tough list of WRs to be crazy high on in just the last 3 years.

This is just kind of what happens when you're 100% film and 0% analytics.

[ericanadian]

To add, Butler was Waldman’s “highest rated WR EVER”

Mims was his wr2. Cephus ahead of Higgins. Those are the only pieces I have at the moment.

Reynolds was his WR1 in that class... yikers

To be clear, I respect Waldman a lot - but that is a tough list of WRs to be crazy high on in just the last 3 years.

This is just kind of what happens when you're 100% film and 0% analytics.

I think you can do mostly film, and I say that as a guy that leaned almost entirely on analytics prior to this season, but you need to take into account the level of competition. From the limited videos of his that I’ve watched he doesnt seem to consider that juking a mediocre college player out of his shoes isn’t necessarily going to translate to the NFL.

[jman3134]

He liked Mims a lot. I think this Butler talk says more about how difficult it is to miss your year 1 and bounce back, esp in a non-ideal situation with poor draft capital. There are guys who get their tires kicked around infinitely and Butler hasn't had any chance at all at this point. Sure, it appears he is a bust as of now and might flame out of the NFL. But, with the right coaching and an opportunity, who knows?

Even someone like an Isaiah Ford eventually became a starter on Miami. Get on a practice squad, keep working, and Butler could turn this around.

Lumping Dante Pettis in isn't fair either because the coaching staff doesn't like his mentality and he is not dogged enough to succeed in the league. Doesn't put in the work.

[bbsmitz]

1.01

The latest in a long line of examples that many people who participate in mocks don't really watch or follow college football.

What was it about his college tape that made you so low on him? (Not being sarcastic, just don't watch a ton of college ball so am curious)

[cazzie33]

DGB 2.0
Great metrics ... Just not not good @ fundamental skills required for being an NFL Wr. Like catching the ball consistently or running precise routes. Guessing didn't show the desire to even want to get better @ the level it takes. If you can't do it in practice with no enemy fire to speak of how can they trust you in game situations...hopefully it's a wakeup call for Butler's sake.

Dorial never answered the call

[Shcritters]

As an ISU fan I was always a bit surprised at how high he was ranked. The positive is that Lazard ran in the same offense and had a bad first year only to appear to bounce back. Hoping Butler can do the same over the next couple years.

[koalabear]

Interesting article, I believe he worked out for the Jets but wasn't picked up.

https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2020/ ... -york-jets

I didn't know the Cardinals felt like they might've had to cut him last season because he looked so bad before he landed on IR.

[Johnny B. Goode]

Interesting article, I believe he worked out for the Jets but wasn't picked up.

https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2020/ ... -york-jets

I didn't know the Cardinals felt like they might've had to cut him last season because he looked so bad before he landed on IR.

Yes, I recall hearing that near the end of the season. He wasn’t good last summer either

[Johnny B. Goode]

To add, Butler was Waldman’s “highest rated WR EVER”

Mims was his wr2. Cephus ahead of Higgins. Those are the only pieces I have at the moment.

Reynolds was his WR1 in that class... yikers

To be clear, I respect Waldman a lot - but that is a tough list of WRs to be crazy high on in just the last 3 years.

This is just kind of what happens when you're 100% film and 0% analytics.

I’m always surprised at the guys who bet against analytics. You’re much more wrong than you are right in those cases. Film matters, sure, but Waldman is 100% film and that isn’t right. Just as the guys who are 100% analytics. I’m heavy into analytics but in doing so I have picked up on what to look for when determining going against the analytic trend, and it’s been fairly reliable.

It’s just not as fun for people to look at numbers. Film guys kind of humor me at times. There are two types: guys who actually watch film and know what they’re doing (rarity), and guys who think looking up YouTube videos is akin to watching film and like to pretend to be some big time nfl scout but in reality have no idea what they’re actually looking for

Again, watching a player play is very important, but let’s be honest about what’s actually going on, and have an honest discussion about it.

Butler had two stone slabs for hands. I am not surprised he didn’t perform well when given the chance. Day 3 WRs have an extremely low hit rate. I’m not expecting him to turn it around