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Postby jenkins.math » Sun May 17, 2020 3:02 pm

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Saying that they will throw more due to them playing behind more this year is different than you saying the Ravens are "intimating they want Lamar to throw more."
Why are you acting as if both statements aren't independant of the other? They can both be true, and I think they are. 14 Wins is a lot of Wins. 400 pass attempts is not a lot of pass attempts. Here is Lamar himself saying he will run less and lean on his WR's more.
The reigning MVP also alluded to a style change in the future in which he leans more on his weapons in the passing game and lets his running backs take the brunt of the rushing workload.
You're just being obtuse at this point.
I'm not being obtuse at all. Seriously, take your Ravens glasses off for a second and really look at it. What makes Lamar special is his legs. Take those away and he is a below average starter in this league.

His growth as a player is directly tied to his passing and his ability to consistently beat teams from the pocket. So he should be talking up the passing game and throwing more. The Ravens are a well run organization. They know he has to run for them to reach their potential as a team.

Every offseason article is written around improving the weaknesses of the team/player the previous year. Sorry, not buying into this Lamar is going to sling it around the field and not run. You as a Ravens fan better hope he doesn't do that as well.
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun May 17, 2020 5:08 pm

Orenthal Shames wrote:
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Brown went as a late first last year. A year late Hamler is going in the 30's due to size and situation concerns (he's 12 lbs. bigger than Brown). Gimme the guy with similar draft capital and profile who costs next to nothing.
It's still surprising to me that players are getting discounted because of height. Hamler went Top-50, and probably would've made more money if he was able to run his 40 and do the combine. The situation isn't great in terms of volume, but we know things in dynasty can change quickly.

Just like Brown shouldn't have been going in the 2nd round of rookie drafts last year, Hamler shouldn't be available in the 3rd round this year.

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Postby FantasyFreak » Sun May 17, 2020 6:39 pm

Cameron Giles wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 5:08 pm
Orenthal Shames wrote:
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Brown went as a late first last year. A year late Hamler is going in the 30's due to size and situation concerns (he's 12 lbs. bigger than Brown). Gimme the guy with similar draft capital and profile who costs next to nothing.
It's still surprising to me that players are getting discounted because of height. Hamler went Top-50, and probably would've made more money if he was able to run his 40 and do the combine. The situation isn't great in terms of volume, but we know things in dynasty can change quickly.

Just like Brown shouldn't have been going in the 2nd round of rookie drafts last year, Hamler shouldn't be available in the 3rd round this year.
I think it's more that people don't believe Lock is that good, and won't be able to support Sutton, Jeudy, Fant and Hamler. Not saying that's a reason for passing on Hamler, just that it it's most likely the reason.

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Postby Sriracha » Sun May 17, 2020 6:59 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 6:39 pm
Cameron Giles wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 5:08 pm
Orenthal Shames wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 2:09 pm
Brown went as a late first last year. A year late Hamler is going in the 30's due to size and situation concerns (he's 12 lbs. bigger than Brown). Gimme the guy with similar draft capital and profile who costs next to nothing.
It's still surprising to me that players are getting discounted because of height. Hamler went Top-50, and probably would've made more money if he was able to run his 40 and do the combine. The situation isn't great in terms of volume, but we know things in dynasty can change quickly.

Just like Brown shouldn't have been going in the 2nd round of rookie drafts last year, Hamler shouldn't be available in the 3rd round this year.
I think it's more that people don't believe Lock is that good, and won't be able to support Sutton, Jeudy, Fant and Hamler. Not saying that's a reason for passing on Hamler, just that it it's most likely the reason.
I believe in Lock, and I'm still not high on Hamler. Saw a lot of body catches from him, and he's going to have to compete with Jeudy/Sutton/Fant/Albert O for targets. I'd be pretty surprised if he didn't fall into the Mecole Hardman role for this offense as a situational deep threat.

There's a massive difference between a top tier WR talent creating their opportunity and a talented deep threat creating their opportunity. AJB's profile, athleticism, and production in college put him on an entirely different level from Hamler.

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby Cameron Giles » Mon May 18, 2020 5:32 am

IZigUZag wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 6:59 pm
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Sun May 17, 2020 6:39 pm
Cameron Giles wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 5:08 pm


It's still surprising to me that players are getting discounted because of height. Hamler went Top-50, and probably would've made more money if he was able to run his 40 and do the combine. The situation isn't great in terms of volume, but we know things in dynasty can change quickly.

Just like Brown shouldn't have been going in the 2nd round of rookie drafts last year, Hamler shouldn't be available in the 3rd round this year.
I think it's more that people don't believe Lock is that good, and won't be able to support Sutton, Jeudy, Fant and Hamler. Not saying that's a reason for passing on Hamler, just that it it's most likely the reason.
I believe in Lock, and I'm still not high on Hamler. Saw a lot of body catches from him, and he's going to have to compete with Jeudy/Sutton/Fant/Albert O for targets. I'd be pretty surprised if he didn't fall into the Mecole Hardman role for this offense as a situational deep threat.

There's a massive difference between a top tier WR talent creating their opportunity and a talented deep threat creating their opportunity. AJB's profile, athleticism, and production in college put him on an entirely different level from Hamler.
This is revisionist history. AJ Brown was not viewed as a "top tier" WR prospect. He went 51st overall. Hamler went 46th overall in a class with better WR talent.

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby Orenthal Shames » Mon May 18, 2020 6:42 am

Cameron Giles wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 5:08 pm
Orenthal Shames wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 2:09 pm
Brown went as a late first last year. A year late Hamler is going in the 30's due to size and situation concerns (he's 12 lbs. bigger than Brown). Gimme the guy with similar draft capital and profile who costs next to nothing.
It's still surprising to me that players are getting discounted because of height.
I think weight has been brought up as concern more so than height for these guys.
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Postby OhCruelestRanter » Mon May 18, 2020 7:18 am

jenkins.math wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 3:02 pm
I'm not being obtuse at all. Seriously, take your Ravens glasses off for a second and really look at it. What makes Lamar special is his legs. Take those away and he is a below average starter in this league.
Here's the list of 22 year old or younger QBs who posted a season with 8 or more adjusted net yards/attempt passing:
Lamar Jackson

Or if that's too complicated, here's the list of QBs who threw 30 TDs in a season prior to their 23rd birthday:
Lamar Jackson

Of course his legs matter, but he's also been a phenomenally successful passer considering he's still only 22 years old.
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His growth as a player is directly tied to his passing and his ability to consistently beat teams from the pocket. So he should be talking up the passing game and throwing more. The Ravens are a well run organization. They know he has to run for them to reach their potential as a team.
As good as Lamar was running the ball, he was still more efficient passing it. 6.9 YPA rushing vs. 7.8 passing.
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Every offseason article is written around improving the weaknesses of the team/player the previous year. Sorry, not buying into this Lamar is going to sling it around the field and not run. You as a Ravens fan better hope he doesn't do that as well.
Baltimore was also equipped with one of the worst WR corps in the league last year. Andrews had a strong year for a TE, but their WR group consisted of an injured Marquise Brown, Willie Snead, Seth Roberts, and Miles Boykin. The Duvernay addition, plus a year of development from Brown and Boykin, should help.
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby mgscott » Mon May 18, 2020 7:59 am

OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 7:18 am
jenkins.math wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 3:02 pm
I'm not being obtuse at all. Seriously, take your Ravens glasses off for a second and really look at it. What makes Lamar special is his legs. Take those away and he is a below average starter in this league.
Here's the list of 22 year old or younger QBs who posted a season with 8 or more adjusted net yards/attempt passing:
Lamar Jackson

Or if that's too complicated, here's the list of QBs who threw 30 TDs in a season prior to their 23rd birthday:
Lamar Jackson

Of course his legs matter, but he's also been a phenomenally successful passer considering he's still only 22 years old.
jenkins.math wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 3:02 pm
His growth as a player is directly tied to his passing and his ability to consistently beat teams from the pocket. So he should be talking up the passing game and throwing more. The Ravens are a well run organization. They know he has to run for them to reach their potential as a team.
As good as Lamar was running the ball, he was still more efficient passing it. 6.9 YPA rushing vs. 7.8 passing.
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Sun May 17, 2020 3:02 pm
Every offseason article is written around improving the weaknesses of the team/player the previous year. Sorry, not buying into this Lamar is going to sling it around the field and not run. You as a Ravens fan better hope he doesn't do that as well.
Baltimore was also equipped with one of the worst WR corps in the league last year. Andrews had a strong year for a TE, but their WR group consisted of an injured Marquise Brown, Willie Snead, Seth Roberts, and Miles Boykin. The Duvernay addition, plus a year of development from Brown and Boykin, should help.
Lamar's success as a passer is 100% tied into his success and threat as a runner. You're kidding yourself if you think he has those passing numbers and the team success if he doesn't have his running ability.

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Postby OhCruelestRanter » Mon May 18, 2020 8:20 am

mgscott wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 7:59 am
OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 7:18 am
jenkins.math wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 3:02 pm
I'm not being obtuse at all. Seriously, take your Ravens glasses off for a second and really look at it. What makes Lamar special is his legs. Take those away and he is a below average starter in this league.
Here's the list of 22 year old or younger QBs who posted a season with 8 or more adjusted net yards/attempt passing:
Lamar Jackson

Or if that's too complicated, here's the list of QBs who threw 30 TDs in a season prior to their 23rd birthday:
Lamar Jackson

Of course his legs matter, but he's also been a phenomenally successful passer considering he's still only 22 years old.
jenkins.math wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 3:02 pm
His growth as a player is directly tied to his passing and his ability to consistently beat teams from the pocket. So he should be talking up the passing game and throwing more. The Ravens are a well run organization. They know he has to run for them to reach their potential as a team.
As good as Lamar was running the ball, he was still more efficient passing it. 6.9 YPA rushing vs. 7.8 passing.
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Sun May 17, 2020 3:02 pm
Every offseason article is written around improving the weaknesses of the team/player the previous year. Sorry, not buying into this Lamar is going to sling it around the field and not run. You as a Ravens fan better hope he doesn't do that as well.
Baltimore was also equipped with one of the worst WR corps in the league last year. Andrews had a strong year for a TE, but their WR group consisted of an injured Marquise Brown, Willie Snead, Seth Roberts, and Miles Boykin. The Duvernay addition, plus a year of development from Brown and Boykin, should help.
Lamar's success as a passer is 100% tied into his success and threat as a runner. You're kidding yourself if you think he has those passing numbers and the team success if he doesn't have his running ability.
That’s not the point. The idea was that Baltimore is better if he keeps running the ball, which doesn’t seem to hold water. Yeah, his passing ability is intrinsically ties to his athletic ability, but the same is true for half the passers in the league at any given time. That’s why I acknowledged “of course his legs matter.”

My point is that his passing ability is still effectively unparalleled for guys this early in their development, and the idea that his passing ability won’t improve doesn’t hold up for me.
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby jenkins.math » Mon May 18, 2020 8:26 am

mgscott wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 7:59 am
OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 7:18 am
jenkins.math wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 3:02 pm
I'm not being obtuse at all. Seriously, take your Ravens glasses off for a second and really look at it. What makes Lamar special is his legs. Take those away and he is a below average starter in this league.
Here's the list of 22 year old or younger QBs who posted a season with 8 or more adjusted net yards/attempt passing:
Lamar Jackson

Or if that's too complicated, here's the list of QBs who threw 30 TDs in a season prior to their 23rd birthday:
Lamar Jackson

Of course his legs matter, but he's also been a phenomenally successful passer considering he's still only 22 years old.
jenkins.math wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 3:02 pm
His growth as a player is directly tied to his passing and his ability to consistently beat teams from the pocket. So he should be talking up the passing game and throwing more. The Ravens are a well run organization. They know he has to run for them to reach their potential as a team.
As good as Lamar was running the ball, he was still more efficient passing it. 6.9 YPA rushing vs. 7.8 passing.
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Sun May 17, 2020 3:02 pm
Every offseason article is written around improving the weaknesses of the team/player the previous year. Sorry, not buying into this Lamar is going to sling it around the field and not run. You as a Ravens fan better hope he doesn't do that as well.
Baltimore was also equipped with one of the worst WR corps in the league last year. Andrews had a strong year for a TE, but their WR group consisted of an injured Marquise Brown, Willie Snead, Seth Roberts, and Miles Boykin. The Duvernay addition, plus a year of development from Brown and Boykin, should help.
Lamar's success as a passer is 100% tied into his success and threat as a runner. You're kidding yourself if you think he has those passing numbers and the team success if he doesn't have his running ability.
Was going to say exactly this. The wide throwing lanes he gets are predicated on teams focusing on stopping the run first. If he stops running, every one of those passing numbers is going to nose dive. He hasn't shown the ability yet to sit in the pocket, survey the field, and then fit the ball into tight windows consistently like your typical non-mobile QB.

The addition of another speed guy to that offense makes me think they are just going to pull the ole 4 Verts concept from the Vick days and just let run around and make plays. If one of the speedsters gets behind the defense, he will let it fly. If the safeties help over the top, that's a ton of running room for Lamar, or a wide open TE over the middle.

Some on here think these additions are to pass more and I see it as doubling down on Lamar's running ability more than anything. It's even more space in the middle of the field for the TE or him taking off.
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Postby OhCruelestRanter » Mon May 18, 2020 8:33 am

jenkins.math wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 8:26 am
mgscott wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 7:59 am
OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 7:18 am

Here's the list of 22 year old or younger QBs who posted a season with 8 or more adjusted net yards/attempt passing:
Lamar Jackson

Or if that's too complicated, here's the list of QBs who threw 30 TDs in a season prior to their 23rd birthday:
Lamar Jackson

Of course his legs matter, but he's also been a phenomenally successful passer considering he's still only 22 years old.



As good as Lamar was running the ball, he was still more efficient passing it. 6.9 YPA rushing vs. 7.8 passing.



Baltimore was also equipped with one of the worst WR corps in the league last year. Andrews had a strong year for a TE, but their WR group consisted of an injured Marquise Brown, Willie Snead, Seth Roberts, and Miles Boykin. The Duvernay addition, plus a year of development from Brown and Boykin, should help.
Lamar's success as a passer is 100% tied into his success and threat as a runner. You're kidding yourself if you think he has those passing numbers and the team success if he doesn't have his running ability.
Was going to say exactly this. The wide throwing lanes he gets are predicated on teams focusing on stopping the run first. If he stops running, every one of those passing numbers is going to nose dive. He hasn't shown the ability yet to sit in the pocket, survey the field, and then fit the ball into tight windows consistently like your typical non-mobile QB.

The addition of another speed guy to that offense makes me think they are just going to pull the ole 4 Verts concept from the Vick days and just let run around and make plays. If one of the speedsters gets behind the defense, he will let it fly. If the safeties help over the top, that's a ton of running room for Lamar, or a wide open TE over the middle.

Some on here think these additions are to pass more and I see it as doubling down on Lamar's running ability more than anything. It's even more space in the middle of the field for the TE or him taking off.
I think this whole paradigm is antiquated. Why would you want a quarterback to make low percentage throws fitting the ball into tight windows when you can create high percentage opportunities?

The whole Vick comparison is wildly off base, and misses the boat comparing what Harbaugh and Roman are doing vs. Jim Mora Jr. tried with Vick. I’m not even sure if you’re describing the Falcons offense, or what guys did with the Falcons in Madden.

The idea that adding more WRs is an attempt to increase a QBs rushing attempts is... an interesting one.
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby jenkins.math » Mon May 18, 2020 8:34 am

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That’s not the point. The idea was that Baltimore is better if he keeps running the ball, which doesn’t seem to hold water. Yeah, his passing ability is intrinsically ties to his athletic ability, but the same is true for half the passers in the league at any given time. That’s why I acknowledged “of course his legs matter.”

My point is that his passing ability is still effectively unparalleled for guys this early in their development, and the idea that his passing ability won’t improve doesn’t hold up for me.
That's not true. His numbers were unparalled for a 23 year old QB. However, he got away with a lot of throws last year. His "arm talent" isn't special by itself. Tied to his legs and that scheme though, it's insane. I watched every Ravens game last year and not one time did I think "man, this guy's arm and passing ability is something."

Also, not sure anybody has said he won't improve as a passer. However, I am firmly in the camp that believes if he doesn't use his legs and tries to be a pocket passer, he will be done as a starter within 3 years of that transition. That isn't his game and that shouldn't become his game or the scheme.
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Postby bjd5211 » Mon May 18, 2020 8:40 am

The league as a whole is transitioning away from the pure pocket passer, Lamar might be the most extreme version, but all of the highly successful young QBs in the league are reliant on their legs and running ability to help the passing game to a degree.They only young QB who has had a significant amount of success and is not much of a running threat is Goff, and he's been very sporadic. Mahomes could probably do it as he is that good, but he still wouldn't be quite as good without his legs either. QBs like Peyton, Brady, Eli, Rivers etc are a dying breed in the NFL.
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OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 8:33 am
jenkins.math wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 8:26 am
mgscott wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 7:59 am


Lamar's success as a passer is 100% tied into his success and threat as a runner. You're kidding yourself if you think he has those passing numbers and the team success if he doesn't have his running ability.
Was going to say exactly this. The wide throwing lanes he gets are predicated on teams focusing on stopping the run first. If he stops running, every one of those passing numbers is going to nose dive. He hasn't shown the ability yet to sit in the pocket, survey the field, and then fit the ball into tight windows consistently like your typical non-mobile QB.

The addition of another speed guy to that offense makes me think they are just going to pull the ole 4 Verts concept from the Vick days and just let run around and make plays. If one of the speedsters gets behind the defense, he will let it fly. If the safeties help over the top, that's a ton of running room for Lamar, or a wide open TE over the middle.

Some on here think these additions are to pass more and I see it as doubling down on Lamar's running ability more than anything. It's even more space in the middle of the field for the TE or him taking off.
I think this whole paradigm is antiquated. Why would you want a quarterback to make low percentage throws fitting the ball into tight windows when you can create high percentage opportunities?

The whole Vick comparison is wildly off base, and misses the boat comparing what Harbaugh and Roman are doing vs. Jim Mora Jr. tried with Vick. I’m not even sure if you’re describing the Falcons offense, or what guys did with the Falcons in Madden.

The idea that adding more WRs is an attempt to increase a QBs rushing attempts is... an interesting one.
I never said I wanted him to make low percentage throws. But you're trying to hype up Lamar's arm and passing ability by itself, and that is false. Put Lamar's arm on an unathletic body and that QB isn't very good.

Vick ran 4 verts in Atlana but did it a lot in Philly with DJax.

The idea is based on what type of WR they added: a small burner. They didn't draft some big chain mover or stellar route runner. It's another guy to stretch the field, make the safeties account for him over the top, which in turn opens up your throwing lanes in the middle. Or just gives Lamar more space to run around and make a play.

What's funny here is I think what the Ravens are doing is incredibly smart. They know what they have and are all in on it. I just disagree with people that want to act like we are watching a faster, more athletic Elway here.
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby mgscott » Mon May 18, 2020 8:52 am

Lamar has already improved as a passer, but he is still no way near an above average passer in the pocket. The Ravens are smartly using his abilities to the fullest and created an offensive scheme to capitalize on his strengths. He will most likely continue to improve as a passer, but will likely never be an elite passer from the pocket. it's not his game. If you want to use drafting another receiver as an argument they will pass more, how do you interpret them drafting another RB? Lastly, with all of the success they had last year with a run-heavy, RPO scheme, why would they try to pass more? Why go away from what is working?


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